SNP are lying b******s as well !

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270 hours community payback for Margaret Ferrier, seems like a sensible sentence to me.

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270 hours community payback for Margaret Ferrier, seems like a sensible sentence to me.

Some on here would have had her hung, drawn and quartered.

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Some on here would have had her hung, drawn and quartered.

It’s probably about right. Unfortunately she keeps her job because of the crazy system we have. Very stupid woman who thought rules didn’t apply to her.


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270 hours community payback for Margaret Ferrier, seems like a sensible sentence to me.

Quite fortunate to avoid a short custodial sentence, which would at least have compelled her to resign. I'd say the shame of the sentencing is probably punishment enough but she clearly has an extremely thick skin.

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Quite fortunate to avoid a short custodial sentence, which would at least have compelled her to resign. I'd say the shame of the sentencing is probably punishment enough but she clearly has an extremely thick skin.

Interested in this. Do you really think this sort of crime is worthy of a custodial sentence? What purpose would that serve?

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Quite fortunate to avoid a short custodial sentence, which would at least have compelled her to resign. I'd say the shame of the sentencing is probably punishment enough but she clearly has an extremely thick skin.

It’s nowhere near close enough to being worthy of a custodial sentence. I’d say they got this one about right.
We use custodial sentences too much as it is.


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Interested in this. Do you really think this sort of crime is worthy of a custodial sentence? What purpose would that serve?

I don't personally think it would have been appropriate but it was certainly being mooted as an option among court reporters and a lot of the headlines are along the lines of 'avoids jail sentence' eg:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/former-snp-mp-margaret-ferrier-avoids-jail-sentence-as-she-receives-community-payback-order-for-covid-trips-3841322

I'm mostly just appalled by her brass neck.

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I don't personally think it would have been appropriate but it was certainly being mooted as an option among court reporters and a lot of the headlines are along the lines of 'avoids jail sentence' ...

Of course the Scotsman is going to "demand" a jail sentence! It is catnip for their anti-SNP agenda. Doesn't matter that it makes no sense for this to be a custodial sentence, it is just red meat for the unionist readership. "Lock her up"! Where have we heard that before?

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Quite fortunate to avoid a short custodial sentence, which would at least have compelled her to resign. I'd say the shame of the sentencing is probably punishment enough but she clearly has an extremely thick skin.

Did King Charlie not travel to Scotland whilst positive for covid? I seem to recall people asking why him and his entourage were coming to Scotland at the time.

Fortunate you say.

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Of course the Scotsman is going to "demand" a jail sentence! It is catnip for their anti-SNP agenda. Doesn't matter that it makes no sense for this to be a custodial sentence, it is just red meat for the unionist readership. "Lock her up"! Where have we heard that before?

Why is it always snp for or against. I think everyone thought her swanning around the uk (in the gym restaurant ect after a test), was absolutely vile. This was pre vaccination when she could easily have cost lives. But bar a few people who only see party politics, all also found Cummings actions vile and the governments parties

It's just more proof that the political class think they are above us all

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Of course the Scotsman is going to "demand" a jail sentence! It is catnip for their anti-SNP agenda. Doesn't matter that it makes no sense for this to be a custodial sentence, it is just red meat for the unionist readership. "Lock her up"! Where have we heard that before?

Jeez, even the National reports that she was told in court in court that the community service was 'a direct alternative' to a custodial sentence. Prison was clearly a possibility:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/21376282.former-snp-mp-margaret-ferrier-sentenced-270-hours-community-service/

As I said I think the sentence is reasonable but would prefer if it could be accompanied by an enforceable stipulation she stands down.

In saying all that, your gripe is really about trying to show a non-SNP supporting poster how wrong they are to venture a reasonable opinion.

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In saying all that, your gripe is really about trying to show a non-SNP supporting poster how wrong they are to venture a reasonable opinion.

I'm sorry if I came across that way. As I said earlier, I was genuinely interested that you mentioned a custodial sentence because it never entered my head that such would be appropriate. I have no idea what the National or the Scotsman said about the case because I don't read the papers, so I had no idea this was being put forward as a possibility.

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Did King Charlie not travel to Scotland whilst positive for covid? I seem to recall people asking why him and his entourage were coming to Scotland at the time.

Fortunate you say.

Careful, you run the risk of arrest with that kind of talk and it will be you with the custodial sentence.


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I don't personally think it would have been appropriate but it was certainly being mooted as an option among court reporters and a lot of the headlines are along the lines of 'avoids jail sentence' eg:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...-trips-3841322

I'm mostly just appalled by her brass neck.

Court reporters and headlines, finely tuned barometers of what is right and wrong.

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Careful, you run the risk of arrest with that kind of talk and it will be you with the custodial sentence.


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Only until the beheading 😉

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Did King Charlie not travel to Scotland whilst positive for covid? I seem to recall people asking why him and his entourage were coming to Scotland at the time.

Fortunate you say.

That is completely irrelevant.

Charles did travel to deeside while infected and is rumoured to have infected some of his staff/security detail. The SNP woman however is a mere peasant whilst Charles is a member, and now head, of the Royal Family.

It's tradition and part of the pageantry with which all our lives are imbued that the two things be treated as completely different things. As much scorn as possible should be poured upon the pleb who has broken the law while any incidents involving the Royal Family should be dropped from the public veiw and consciousness as quickly as possible.

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That is completely irrelevant.

Charles did travel to deeside while infected and is rumoured to have infected some of his staff/security detail. The SNP woman however is a mere peasant whilst Charles is a member, and now head, of the Royal Family.

It's tradition and part of the pageantry with which all our lives are imbued that the two things be treated as completely different things. As much scorn as possible should be poured upon the pleb who has broken the law while any incidents involving the Royal Family should be dropped from the public veiw and consciousness as quickly as possible.

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He got his Covid test in Aberdeenshire and tested positive so it's not like for like. He never tested positive and then traveled the length of the country.

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He got his Covid test in Aberdeenshire and tested positive so it's not like for like. He never tested positive and then traveled the length of the country and got his hair cut etc.

Doesn't need excuses. He could tamper wi lassies and still be innocent.

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He got his Covid test in Aberdeenshire and tested positive so it's not like for like. He never tested positive and then traveled the length of the country.

The UK government said at the time that visits to second homes was not essential.

Check out the response to the chief medical officer when she visited her second home and to Charlie.

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The UK government said at the time that visits to second homes was not essential.

Check out the response to the chief medical officer when she visited her second home and to Charlie.

Especially with symptoms of covid

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Whataboutary is boring. Can we not agree that all the ******* whether boris, Cummings, Charlie, ferrier and any other of the ruling class that thought the rules didn't apply to them, are abhorrent and deserve our contempt.

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Whataboutary is boring. Can we not agree that all the ******* whether boris, Cummings, Charlie, ferrier and any other of the ruling class that thought the rules didn't apply to them, are abhorrent and deserve our contempt.

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Whataboutary is boring. Can we not agree that all the ******* whether boris, Cummings, Charlie, ferrier and any other of the ruling class that thought the rules didn't apply to them, are abhorrent and deserve our contempt.

I don't think anyone is saying that Margaret Ferrier didn't deserve all that was thrown at her, but somehow we have other posters on here saying, ah it's not really the same for Charlie, when it actually was. At the start of the pandemic, Calderwood was castigated, and rightly so for taking her family to her second home and lost her job for doing so. It wasn't any different for Charlie when he went from London to Deeside with his entourage.

FWIW I think the community service is a fair and balanced punishment for Ferrier, far better than a fixed penalty notice.

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He got his Covid test in Aberdeenshire and tested positive so it's not like for like. He never tested positive and then traveled the length of the country.

Indeed. It was the deliberate and brazen nature of Ferrier's behaviour which put her case head and shoulders above other high profile cases.

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Indeed. It was the deliberate and brazen nature of Ferrier's behaviour which put her case head and shoulders above other high profile cases.

It really wasn’t.

You don’t like her politics so that’s why you think that way. Others are similarly biased the other way.

All of them showed crass disregard for the safety of others and badly misjudged public mood at the time.

Her punishment is correct and if there was any justice King Charles, Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings and the health advisor lady whose name I forget would all be facing similar.


FWIW I was probably more disappointed in Ferrier than the rest, mainly because the sneering one rule for one lot and one rule for the other that undermines everything British is something I’d very much like to see the back of with independence. In other words, I expect it of the others but not of her. That’s the only sense in which her actions were any worse.

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I don't think anyone is saying that Margaret Ferrier didn't deserve all that was thrown at her, but somehow we have other posters on here saying, ah it's not really the same for Charlie, when it actually was. At the start of the pandemic, Calderwood was castigated, and rightly so for taking her family to her second home and lost her job for doing so. It wasn't any different for Charlie when he went from London to Deeside with his entourage.

FWIW I think the community service is a fair and balanced punishment for Ferrier, far better than a fixed penalty notice.

Ferriers was worse than anyone's. Its an actual comedy of bad behaviour. Takes test thinks she might have it, goes to gym, hairdressers, pub, charity shop, gift shops, travels down to London, finds out she's positive, travels back home. Utterly ridiculous behaviour. It doesn't make the snp look bad as they can have no blame at all for her actions.

Even Starmer having pizza and beers, when at my work we were having meetings metres apart and I was standing across the road waving to my gran rather than seeing her.

All politicians showed themselves to think they are above us at a time we were all sacrificing so much, they are as bad as each other

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Court reporters and headlines, finely tuned barometers of what is right and wrong.

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It was the sheriff principal who told her he'd decided against a prison sentence so it's not as though the media were just throwing that possibility in based on nothing.

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Ferriers was worse than anyone's. Its an actual comedy of bad behaviour. Takes test thinks she might have it, goes to gym, hairdressers, pub, charity shop, gift shops, travels down to London, finds out she's positive, travels back home. Utterly ridiculous behaviour. It doesn't make the snp look bad as they can have no blame at all for her actions.

Even Starmer having pizza and beers, when at my work we were having meetings metres apart and I was standing across the road waving to my gran rather than seeing her.

All politicians showed themselves to think they are above us at a time we were all sacrificing so much, they are as bad as each other

I see it's still possible for her constituents to oust her should the Commons impose a suspension of 10 days or more in the light of her sentencing. Not sure what the procedure for that to happen would be.

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It was the sheriff principal who told her he'd decided against a prison sentence so it's not as though the media were just throwing that possibility in based on nothing.

What did the sherrif say to the artist formerly known as Prince Charles?

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It really wasn’t.

You don’t like her politics so that’s why you think that way. Others are similarly biased the other way.

All of them showed crass disregard for the safety of others and badly misjudged public mood at the time.

Her punishment is correct and if there was any justice King Charles, Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings and the health advisor lady whose name I forget would all be facing similar.


FWIW I was probably more disappointed in Ferrier than the rest, mainly because the sneering one rule for one lot and one rule for the other that undermines everything British is something I’d very much like to see the back of with independence. In other words, I expect it of the others but not of her. That’s the only sense in which her actions were any worse.

👍 Agree with just about all of this. Although I’d argue some didn’t misjudge public mood, they just couldn’t care less and was just another in a series of p1ss takes.