Managerial Sack Race

[Paulie Walnuts]

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If you're emptied within ten weeks, I suppose you can only fall back the "I wasn't given a chance" excuse. "Things were terrible when I arrived and were going to take time to rectify, but what can you do in ten weeks"?

His only argument.

They finished 4th last season and he’s been heavily backed. I’m not sure he can claim things were terrible for him at all. Infact I don’t think he could realistically expect to be set up for success more than he was.

[Craig_HFC]

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If Ross had stayed and did well in that final, he couldn't have been sacked but there was no guarantee things would've improved. I heard Ron wanted him out regardless, hence why all his media pals had a go at Hibs when he went.

Sacking him when we did was 100% correct and arguably should have happened sooner. The results were *****, the football was honking, he was extremely boring and uninspiring and there was no indication that anything was going to change in a positive sense so punting him was the only thing to do.

Unfortunately we replaced him with a ventriloquist's puppet lookalike who knew as much about football management as an actual ventriloquist's puppet.

Ross will struggle to get a job now and his ego will need to allow him to drop at least a division in Scotland if he wants to continue to be a manager. If not, then he'll be perfectly suited to sitting alongside the other ******s on Sportsound.

[GreenGray]

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I said it at the time but Maloney was thrown under the bus by Hibs.

Woefully backed after taking over a team on an atrocious run of form and losing the best player outwith the OF in the league. A guy that was carrying the team to mid table. Pretty much every combination of players and formations he was left with was woeful.

I don’t think his time at Hibs tells us anything about how Maloney will fair in future tbh.

Yeah you’re probably not far off there, he could go on to do well. Although his teams didn’t create much he did improve our defence and had Porteous playing really well.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

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They finished 4th last season and he’s been heavily backed. I’m not sure he can claim things were terrible for him at all. Infact I don’t think he could realistically expect to be set up for success more than he was.

You're right, but I think it's his only hope. He can only say the club panicked and sacked him far too quickly. Clutching at straws, as it's terrible for him.

[Since452]

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They finished 4th last season and he’s been heavily backed. I’m not sure he can claim things were terrible for him at all. Infact I don’t think he could realistically expect to be set up for success more than he was.

Probably the worst team to ever finish fourth. Sure they went months without a win.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Seemingly the rumours of senior players having private meetings regarding Ross sounds like he lost the dressing room, no coming back from that when it happens.

TYou have to ask if he actually 'had' the dressing room at all at any time. Mellon bailed, Courts bailed so it sounds as if there is another factor at play in their backroom structure / player engagement

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Yeah you’re probably not far off there, he could go on to do well. Although his teams didn’t create much he did improve our defence and had Porteous playing really well.


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Yeah. Not saying he’s a good manager as there was no evidence of that either but I remember the threads asking what everyone thought the 11 should be for the next game during maloneys tenure and every one of them was a disaster waiting to happen.

[Just_Jimmy]

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Bournemouth stayed up for 5 years and spent plenty of money with a better manager in Howe.

Parker got backed big time at Fulham and flopped. He's not premier league quality I don't think.

They've played City and Liverpool in their first 4 games.

It's harsh and it's ridiculously early. Even given Saturdays result. They'll go down whoever they appoint.

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[Iain G]

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They've played City and Liverpool in their first 4 games.

It's harsh and it's ridiculously early. Even given Saturdays result. They'll go down whoever they appoint.

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It seems to be more about his criticism of the owners and the players that triggered it, not the results.

[Billy Whizz]

Unfortunately there’s no way back after a 9-0 home defeat
Wonder if United have taken advantage of the 3 month probationary period to get rid off, min pay off
Similar to Stubbs at St Mirren and Kenny Miller at Livvi

[Just_Jimmy]

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It seems to be more about his criticism of the owners and the players that triggered it, not the results.

I'd agree but I go back to my previous post. Clearly happy to pocket the big league money rather than back their manager to stay in that league. They'll be down by Christmas.

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[Zambernardi1875]

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Probably the worst team to ever finish fourth. Sure they went months without a win.

You could also argue we were one of the worst teams ever to finish 3rd

[Paulie Walnuts]

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You could also argue we were one of the worst teams ever to finish 3rd

We were one of the lower points totals for 3rd in recent times I’m sure.

[oneone73]

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We were one of the lower points totals for 3rd in recent times I’m sure.

We got two points more than Hertz did last season did we not?

[ancient hibee]

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TYou have to ask if he actually 'had' the dressing room at all at any time. Mellon bailed, Courts bailed so it sounds as if there is another factor at play in their backroom structure / player engagement

Definitely a problem there. Courts leaving didn’t make sense.

Meanwhile looks like 9 is the magic number. There’ll be a few managers keeping there fingers crossed against Celtic.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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We got two points more than Hertz did last season did we not?

Yup. I’m sure it’s still lower than most seasons over the last decade or so though.

[007]

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Look forward to hearing how Dundee United now sacking Ross is hibs fault also

Media narrative will be trigger happy American owners so we will definitely get mentioned.

[KeithTheHibby]

Dreadful decision to sack Jack Ross. Same goes for Scott Parker and to a lesser extent Michael o'Neill.

Imagine giving your manager all summer to build a team only to sack him after a few poor results? Bizarre from those club owners.

[KeithTheHibby]

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You could also argue we were one of the worst teams ever to finish 3rd

Only a Hibs fan would say that.

[Sergio sledge]

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We were one of the lower points totals for 3rd in recent times I’m sure.

Since the 12 team league began the max points for 3rd is 73 (when Hearts were at peak financial doping stage and finished 2nd), the minimum is 56 and the average is 63.7.

In the 22 seasons of a 12 team league, the team finishing 3rd has got more than 63 points 10 times, less than 63 points 8 times and finished on 63 points 4 times. 63 points is the most common 3rd place points total since the 12 team league began. Ross's Hibs team were average for a third place finishing team, not near the bottom, or one of the worst as someone else has suggested.

I don't see why people have to try to revise history to bash him. 3rd was a good achievement even though the football wasn't good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Since the 12 team league began the max points for 3rd is 73 (when Hearts were at peak financial doping stage and finished 2nd), the minimum is 56 and the average is 63.7.

In the 22 seasons of a 12 team league, the team finishing 3rd has got more than 63 points 10 times, less than 63 points 8 times and finished on 63 points 4 times. 63 points is the most common 3rd place points total since the 12 team league began. Ross's Hibs team were average for a third place finishing team, not near the bottom, or one of the worst as someone else has suggested.

I don't see why people have to try to revise history to bash him. 3rd was a good achievement even though the football wasn't good.

To be fair, I did say in recent times, I couldn’t be arsed going back 22 years. In the last decade, we’ve had one of the lower points totals I think.

[Since452]

What i would give to have a low 3rd place points total these days.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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What i would give to have a low 3rd place points total these days.

Likewise.

Jack Ross wouldn’t be the one to deliver it though. His managerial record would suggest that was a complete fluke rather than something to expect.

5 clubs, 3 sackings, a relegation and only 1 unarguable successful job.

[Sergio sledge]

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To be fair, I did say in recent times, I couldn’t be arsed going back 22 years. In the last decade, we’ve had one of the lower points totals I think.

Skewed by the fact that 4 of those 10 seasons there was no Rangers in the league so you could argue the quality of the league was lower then allowing a higher points total.

Even so, the average points total in those 10 seasons is 64, so a massive 1 point above what we got (the big caveat being that the Covid shortened season is worked out on a points per game average and there's no knowing for sure how many points 3rd place would have got that season). I think my point still stands.

Your arbitrary 10 season cut off is convenient given that no team in the 5 seasons before that got more than 63 points....

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Skewed by the fact that 4 of those 10 seasons there was no Rangers in the league so you could argue the quality of the league was lower then allowing a higher points total.

Even so, the average points total in those 10 seasons is 64, so a massive 1 point above what we got (the big caveat being that the Covid shortened season is worked out on a points per game average and there's no knowing for sure how many points 3rd place would have got that season). I think my point still stands.

Your arbitrary 10 season cut off is convenient given that no team in the 5 seasons before that got more than 63 points....

If that’s the case then you could argue our 3rd place finish was skewed by not having a Hearts side in the league who knocked us out the cup that season and then romped 3rd the next season.

The teams in the league are the teams in the league. It doesn’t skew anything imo.

[Callum_62]

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If that’s the case then you could argue our 3rd place finish was skewed by not having a Hearts side in the league who knocked us out the cup that season and then romped 3rd the next season.

The teams in the league are the teams in the league. It doesn’t skew anything imo.

Tell that to the 'we only finished third cause the league was rank' brigade



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[Paulie Walnuts]

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Tell that to the 'we only finished third cause the league was rank' brigade



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Yup, not something I really buy into.

[B.H.F.C]

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Dreadful decision to sack Jack Ross. Same goes for Scott Parker and to a lesser extent Michael o'Neill.

Imagine giving your manager all summer to build a team only to sack him after a few poor results? Bizarre from those club owners.

There are some results managers just can’t recover from and that was the case for Ross at the weekend. Maybe if it wasn’t so close on the back of a 7-0 he’d have stood more of a chance. His players had clearly chucked it so they didn’t have any option.

[Trinity Hibee]

We should have got rid of Fenlon after malmo. We all knew it was coming but held in to him for a couple of months which didn’t work out well

[Sergio sledge]

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If that’s the case then you could argue our 3rd place finish was skewed by not having a Hearts side in the league who knocked us out the cup that season and then romped 3rd the next season.

The teams in the league are the teams in the league. It doesn’t skew anything imo.

Hearts who romped to third with less points than we had got the season before?

Hearts are a bit different to Rangers and Celtic though, there's a strong argument that for most teams in the league you can pretty much write off a minimum of 7-9 points per season against Rangers and Celtic (more if you get into the top 6) because they are so far ahead of all the other teams. You can't say the same for teams facing Hearts. Or do you go into the season not expecting any points from games against Hearts?

Anyway, if that is your argument, then why are you bothering to compare points totals season to season, surely the teams in the league are the teams in the league and finishing the best of the rest is an achievement no matter how many points you get?