2022-23 season non-Hibs games thread

[Sylar]

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I would rather they hadn't qualified and gotten at least £30 million.

I don't disagree.

But silver linings and all that...

[hibee-boys]

Stopped caring what the old firm do in Europe long ago. We’ll not be challenging them for the title in my lifetime, hopefully European games are a distraction from league games and we can gain points from them to help us toward our main objective of qualifying for Europe ourselves.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Nearly 40 years since a non-OF team won the League - the money these two are going to get means I doubt I'll ever see a non OF team win the League - how effing depressing

Not unless another club gets a billionaire takeover, but that's never going to happen. If anything, it will be the Old Firm who benefit from that one day.

[SteveHFC]

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That gap has just substantially increased.

who knows what the long term impact on other clubs will be, we could start to see the league self destruct

[Lago]

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That gap has just substantially increased.

And will continue to increase

[andyf5]

Rangers deserved that win, two Scottish teams in Champions League, our co-efficient goes up and potential opportunities for Hibs in Europe. Champions League team and they couldn't beat us. 😁

[tonyrougier123]

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Rangers deserved that win, two Scottish teams in Champions League, our co-efficient goes up and potential opportunities for Hibs in Europe. Champions League team and they couldn't beat us. 😁

Potentially 4th place group stage euro football next season.
With that incentive in mind I hope we push the boat out slightly to give Johnson 2-3 more players in.

[ancient hibee]

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Rangers deserved that win, two Scottish teams in Champions League, our co-efficient goes up and potential opportunities for Hibs in Europe. Champions League team and they couldn't beat us. 😁

Our co-efficient would go better if they were winning games in the Europa League rather than losing them in the Champions League.

[Lancs Harp]

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Heartz will win as well tomorrow night, they will score at least twice

Ive got every condidence in Hearts to fail

[hibee-boys]

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Our co-efficient would go better if they were winning games in the Europa League rather than losing them in the Champions League.

That’s a strange system then, surely having 2 teams qualifying to play in the champions league, irrespective of results when they get there, should be better than beating some diddy teams the 2nd/3rd tier of European competition🤷🏼

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Ive got every condidence in Hearts to fail

oh i do hope you're right, either way they are getting group stages in a European competition










#jealousas***k

[Chorley Hibee]

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That gap has just substantially increased.

I don't disagree, but it's no longer a problem unique to Scotland.

Almost every major league in Europe is dominated by one or a handful of clubs, and the uncertainty and joy the game once provided in abundance has been replaced by boredom and predictability.

[IvanSproule]

Think this is a good thing for the league to be honest.

The way the other clubs get closer to the old firm isn't by waiting for them to be crap, it's by regularly qualifying for group stage Europe.

Them doing well in Europe makes that easier to achieve for the rest of the clubs.

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[oldbutdim]

Got to feel sorry for the working girls in Amsterdam tonight.
Few curtains will be kept closed on the windows.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can actually see Rangers doing alright in the groups and with a favourable draw I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the last 16. Id be surprised if they finish bottom of their group.

That being said, whilst I think celtic are a better side, I fancy them to get pumped rotten. The way they play will play right into the hands of teams at that level.

[Chorley Hibee]

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Think this is a good thing for the league to be honest.

The way the other clubs get closer to the old firm isn't by waiting for them to be crap, it's by regularly qualifying for group stage Europe.

Them doing well in Europe makes that easier to achieve for the rest of the clubs.

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It hasn't helped all the other leagues in Europe.

England, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and more all dominated by one or two clubs light years ahead of the rest.

I find it all rather depressing.

[007]

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Nearly 40 years since a non-OF team won the League - the money these two are going to get means I doubt I'll ever see a non OF team win the League - how effing depressing

It would need someone to do what Rangers have just done. Get 2nd in the league (not totally out of the question) then qualify for the Champions League group stage. They'd then have to use the income from it very wisely the next year.

Highly unlikely to happen unfortunately.

[Stuart93]

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Potentially 4th place group stage euro football next season.
With that incentive in mind I hope we push the boat out slightly to give Johnson 2-3 more players in.

Hmm not sure that’s right, is it not another automatic champs league place before 4th getting automatic group place?

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Hmm not sure that’s right, is it not another automatic champs league place before 4th getting automatic group place?

A guaranteed 4th team in the europa or conference league group stage is absolutely miles away I’m sure.

[Sir David Gray]

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Potentially 4th place group stage euro football next season.
With that incentive in mind I hope we push the boat out slightly to give Johnson 2-3 more players in.

We would need to break into the top 6 of the co-efficient table before 3rd place gets a spot in the Champions League qualifiers and 4th would be in the Europa League play offs.

That's a long way off.

[IvanSproule]

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It hasn't helped all the other leagues in Europe.

England, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and more all dominated by one or two clubs light years ahead of the rest.

I find it all rather depressing.

That's not true for 3 of the 5 leagues you've mentioned though.

What actually happens in England, Spain and Italy is there are a couple of dominant clubs followed by a few more clubs who consistently challenge and occasionally beat the dominant clubs to the title. They are able to do this because the super successful teams on their league open up the riches of European competition to the other teams.

I think Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen could be those clubs in Scotland.

Like Athletico Madrid, Napoli, Spurs, Atalanta etc

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[Carheenlea]

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It hasn't helped all the other leagues in Europe.

England, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and more all dominated by one or two clubs light years ahead of the rest.

I find it all rather depressing.

It’s why for many, modern football has simply become boring and uninteresting. So many now only really have interest in their own clubs and don’t watch or follow any games other than their own. I’ve been like that with Hibs for a good few years now.

[MWHIBBIES]

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It hasn't helped all the other leagues in Europe.

England, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and more all dominated by one or two clubs light years ahead of the rest.

I find it all rather depressing.

Italy has 3 different champions in the last 3 years.

Spain the same.

France even has recent league wins from Lille and Monaco.

England has different champions all the time really.


They're all significantly more competitive than Scotland.

[Yorkshire HFC]

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Think this is a good thing for the league to be honest.

The way the other clubs get closer to the old firm isn't by waiting for them to be crap, it's by regularly qualifying for group stage Europe.

Them doing well in Europe makes that easier to achieve for the rest of the clubs.

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This. It's like all things in life - wanting someone else to be rubbish isn't going to make you any better.

For me, it highlights the poor management of the teams in Scotland - Rangers are currently over achieving in Europe - when was the last time Hibs over achieved in anything?

I'd hope that Hibs can use this as inspiration to improve - Rangers couldn't beat us at the weekend.

Fans can run on emotion, but the owners of Hibs need to look at how they become part of improving Scottish football or continue being part of a mediocre product. And I'll always stick up for Scotland.

[lyonhibs]

We won't be closing the gap to the OF to be the same size as that between Atleti and Real, or Napoli and Inter any time soon. Wealth/income generation is a cycle and qualifying for the Group stages gets the OF the proper money to assemble squads to skoosh Scottish football and almost focus on Europe.

Forget about them, they are operating in a different ecosystem. I more fervently hope that we don't see a similar thing happen with Hearts, but a couple of years of Europa League group qualification could see them cement "best of the rest", at least from an income/wages they can offer perspective, for a good while

[Pagan Hibernia]

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We won't be closing the gap to the OF to be the same size as that between Atleti and Real, or Napoli and Inter any time soon. Wealth/income generation is a cycle and qualifying for the Group stages gets the OF the proper money to assemble squads to skoosh Scottish football and almost focus on Europe.

Forget about them, they are operating in a different ecosystem. I more fervently hope that we don't see a similar thing happen with Hearts, but a couple of years of Europa League group qualification could see them cement "best of the rest", at least from an income/wages they can offer perspective, for a good while

The money they get from FOH every year will be enough for that, if it’s spent wisely (something they haven’t always done). There is a real danger that from a relatively level playing field for most of the last decade Hibs are going to be left behind financially.

We need European group stage football.

[Sir David Gray]

Number of league winners for each of the top 10 European leagues since 1984/85 (the last time Celtic or Rangers failed to win the Scottish league);

France - 10
England - 9
Belgium - 7
Italy - 7
Austria - 6
Germany - 6
Spain - 5
Netherlands - 5
Portugal - 4
Scotland - 2

[Pagan Hibernia]

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Number of league winners for each of the top 10 European leagues since 1984/85 (the last time Celtic or Rangers failed to win the Scottish league);

France - 10
England - 9
Belgium - 7
Italy - 7
Austria - 6
Germany - 6
Spain - 5
Netherlands - 5
Portugal - 4
Scotland - 2

that’s a poor showing for Spain to be honest. Out of the big two, only three other clubs have got their hands on the title in near 40 years.

miles better than Scotland, mind, but still poor imo

[Since90+2]

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that’s a poor showing for Spain to be honest. Out of the big two, only three other clubs have got their hands on the title in near 40 years.

miles better than Scotland, mind, but still poor imo

It is, but then you have to remember Real Madrid and Barcelona are probably the two biggest football clubs in the world. Massively difficult to compete with them over a 38 game season.

[hibsbollah]

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Number of league winners for each of the top 10 European leagues since 1984/85 (the last time Celtic or Rangers failed to win the Scottish league);

France - 10
England - 9
Belgium - 7
Italy - 7
Austria - 6
Germany - 6
Spain - 5
Netherlands - 5
Portugal - 4
Scotland - 2

That's an interesting stat.

I also had a look at the last 10 years just to see if the petrodollars era has made the major leagues less competitive compared to the last 35 years that you are measuring. They haven't really, Since 2011-12 over the last ten campaigns there's been 5 different winners in England, 4 in France, Spain and Portugal, 3 in Belgium, Holland and Italy (all in the last three years! Prior to that it was Juve with 7 straight), and Germany and Austria just 2.(Bayern with the last nine titles though, Red Bull with a similarly untouchable run in Austria).

I also had a memory of English football being way more competitive when I was young and followed it religiously at primary school. But looking back that's just memory playing tricks, between 1975-85 there were only 4 different league winners (Liverpool Everton Forest and Villa), so it's always good to check these things.