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    It's amazing how many times over the years I've read that Germany is in in financial trouble, or likely to into a deep recession, but I've yet to see it happen.

    There have been a number of fluctuations in the German economy over the last couple of decades but it invariably comes back stronger than ever.

    I honestly don't think most people realise how resilient the German economy is compared to countries like the UK, mainly due to it being much more diverse.
    Their works council and trade union system is the driving force behind their success. Employees actually have a say in how companies are run and they engage and relate far better to their employers than in many other countries. Many football teams in Germany have their roots in large industry because of the bond between employer and employee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    Their works council and trade union system is the driving force behind their success. Employees actually have a say in how companies are run and they engage and relate far better to their employers than in many other countries. Many football teams in Germany have their roots in large industry because of the bond between employer and employee.
    That’s something I’d like to see happen in an Indy Scotland.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7 View Post
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    Everything is dependent on what Russia does really they were crazy to bank on it after crimea

    Germant like the rest of us was just in a deep recession. In future its seen as a given they will have a recession coming up but they should come out of it better than the uk.

    Uk might get a depression but the central estimate it small growth the next few years, although that's worse than all the rest of g7 countries
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    Yeah the reliance on Russian gas via Nordstream is looking a bit stupid now.

    The German Kanzler of the time, Gerhard Schröder, has been a big fan of Putin and, up until recently, refused to criticise the invasion of the Ukraine.

    Makes you wonder just how much money he's been paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    That’s something I’d like to see happen in an Indy Scotland.


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    Germany should invade Scotland, make us the 17th Bundesland. Then we can declare independence from them and retain our EU membership.


    Aw come on, I've heard worse plans than this...

    ....anybody want to buy a bridge to Northern Ireland?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith_M View Post
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    Germany should invade Scotland, make us the 17th Bundesland. Then we can declare independence from them and retain our EU membership.


    Aw come on, I've heard worse plans than this...

    ....anybody want to buy a bridge to Northern Ireland?

    Sounds like a plan to be honest


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    Shock Horror….another sex pest bring protected by his party

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    Sunday Mail smear headline
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    Shock Horror….another sex pest bring protected by his party
    Wonder why the Sunday Mail has resurrected this story from FIVE years ago? A story about a misconduct probe which found no crimes were committed?

    I guess it makes a good headline and allows the anti-SNP brigade to have something else to get angry about.

    https://archive.ph/RNkN1

    https://tfn.scot/news/misconduct-pro...arliament-ends

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    Wonder why the Sunday Mail has resurrected this story from FIVE years ago? A story about a misconduct probe which found no crimes were committed?

    I guess it makes a good headline and allows the anti-SNP brigade to have something else to get angry about.

    https://archive.ph/RNkN1

    https://tfn.scot/news/misconduct-pro...arliament-ends
    You seem to have made up a quote from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    Wonder why the Sunday Mail has resurrected this story from FIVE years ago? A story about a misconduct probe which found no crimes were committed?

    I guess it makes a good headline and allows the anti-SNP brigade to have something else to get angry about.

    https://archive.ph/RNkN1

    https://tfn.scot/news/misconduct-pro...arliament-ends
    If this story was about a Tory councilor who had a history of sexual impropriety would your first reaction be why is the newspaper digging up an old story to make the Tory's look bad? Yet that's what you seem to be doing here, unless I am mistaken?

    Do you know the details?

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/...BafDtgWGQ&s=19


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    The SNP were warned their former North Lanarkshire Council leader, Jordan Linden, was "not fit" to represent the party.
    Linden resigned this week after it was alleged that he sent explicit pictures to a 14-year-old boy and allegedly sexually assaulted a teenager in a hotel.
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    Do you know the details?

    The SNP were warned their former North Lanarkshire Council leader, Jordan Linden, was "not fit" to represent the party.
    Linden resigned this week after it was alleged that he sent explicit pictures to a 14-year-old boy and allegedly sexually assaulted a teenager in a hotel.
    The articles I posted refer to 2017, when this person was initially in the news. At that time - 5 years ago - there was an internal inquiry and then the police were asked to investigate. Neither investigation found any criminality.

    So yes, they were warned. They investigated and found nothing. If he has now resigned (again) for similar activities then perhaps the initial complaint may in hindsight seem to have had some validity. But the article in the paper focuses on the fact they were warned about his behaviour. Acting on that warning, two separate investigations occurred, one by the police, and no criminality was found. I'm not sure what else they could have done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    You seem to have made up a quote from me.
    Sorry I didn't mean to imply it was a quote from you - I was quoting your post, I just wanted to summarise the newspaper article that you posted without reproducing it and taking up unnecessary space in the thread. You didn't actually say anything in your post. I'm sorry if you didn't realise that was what I was doing - I thought it was obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    The articles I posted refer to 2017, when this person was initially in the news. At that time - 5 years ago - there was an internal inquiry and then the police were asked to investigate. Neither investigation found any criminality.

    So yes, they were warned. They investigated and found nothing. If he has now resigned (again) for similar activities then perhaps the initial complaint may in hindsight seem to have had some validity. But the article in the paper focuses on the fact they were warned about his behaviour. Acting on that warning, two separate investigations occurred, one by the police, and no criminality was found. I'm not sure what else they could have done?
    Is that you Nicola

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    Sounds like a plan to be honest

    OK, so we've got two in favour.

    Time for a petition, maybe?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith_M View Post
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    OK, so we've got two in favour.

    Time for a petition, maybe?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Berwickhibby View Post
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    Is that you Nicola
    I guess I should be pleased you didn't call me Jimmy Krankie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    I guess I should be pleased you didn't call me Jimmy Krankie!
    I never call the FM Jimmy Krankie….. Nippy, well that’s another story

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    After minimum pricing came in there was a noticeable drop in food purchasing study shows

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35898560/

    Background: On the 1st of May 2018 Scotland became the first country to introduce minimum unit pricing (MUP) for alcohol sales. The objective of this study is to identify the effects of this policy instrument on food purchasing by evaluating a natural experiment.

    Methods: Longitudinal analysis compares regions with similar characteristics but differing exposure to MUP (Scotland and the north of England). Secondary data from the ****ar Worldpanel on itemised purchases between April 2017 and April 2019 provided a total sample of 8051 households. The outcomes analysed are weekly household expenditure (£s) and purchase volume (grams), both overall and disaggregated to 16 product categories.

    Results: Following the introduction of MUP, total household food expenditure in Scotland declined by 1.0%, 95%CI [-1.9%, -0.0%], and total food volume declined by 0.8%, 95%CI [-1.7%, 0.2%] compared to the north of England. There is variation in response between product categories, with less spending on fruit and vegetables and increased spending on crisps and snacks.

    Conclusion: Minimum unit pricing for alcohol has displaced some household food purchasing and the pattern of changes in food categories appears to be less desirable from a healthy diet perspective. However, changes caused by a minimum price at a nominal 50 pence per unit of alcohol are relatively small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7 View Post
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    However, changes caused by a minimum price ... are relatively small.
    Worth it then.

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    Worth it then.
    Problem drinking hasn't gone down and substance charities are saying they are causing people to move to cheap drugs.

    The snp aren't a football team you don't have to support all they do. If this policy has a net benefit brilliant, if it doesn't then it would be better going

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    SNP are lying b******s as well !

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    Problem drinking hasn't gone down and substance charities are saying they are causing people to move to cheap drugs.

    The snp aren't a football team you don't have to support all they do. If this policy has a net benefit brilliant, if it doesn't then it would be better going
    I’m pretty sure there was a report out recently that said it had been a success?

    https://arc-nenc.nihr.ac.uk/news/mup-50p-impact-study/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7 View Post
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    Problem drinking hasn't gone down and substance charities are saying they are causing people to move to cheap drugs.

    The snp aren't a football team you don't have to support all they do. If this policy has a net benefit brilliant, if it doesn't then it would be better going
    You seem to have a real issue with this policy, this isn't the first time you've posted about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    I’m pretty sure there was a report out recently that said it had been a success?
    There will be something wrong with that report that totally invalidates the findings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    I’m pretty sure there was a report out recently that said it had been a success?

    https://arc-nenc.nihr.ac.uk/news/mup-50p-impact-study/

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    Problem drinking hasn't dropped, drink sales went down but are creeping up last two years.

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    You seem to have a real issue with this policy, this isn't the first time you've posted about it.
    I hardly drink nowadays and can afford the increase so am fortunate. If it works I'll be delighted but if it doesn't it will make people poorer and supermarkets richer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7 View Post
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    I hardly drink nowadays and can afford the increase so am fortunate. If it works I'll be delighted but if it doesn't it will make people poorer and supermarkets richer.
    Would be better if it was a tax but unfortunately we don’t have that power.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7 View Post
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    Problem drinking hasn't gone down and substance charities are saying they are causing people to move to cheap drugs.

    The snp aren't a football team you don't have to support all they do. If this policy has a net benefit brilliant, if it doesn't then it would be better going
    I'm not sure the policy was aimed at people with drink problems, I think the intention was to make it more expensive to develop a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I'm not sure the policy was aimed at people with drink problems, I think the intention was to make it more expensive to develop a problem.
    Yes I think so. I’m sure they said that at the time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I'm not sure the policy was aimed at people with drink problems, I think the intention was to make it more expensive to develop a problem.
    It was definitely to focus on problem drinkers, large section of the material was about cheap high alcohol drink. If it didn't reduce harmful drinking but really reduced overall drinking that would be fine by me. But if its at the cost of lives in people switching to benzos it won't be.

    We need a team monitoring it and particularly one who will admit if something doesn't work. Teen drinking has been plummeting for the last 20 years so things will get better. Contrary to belief our drinking is pretty average in European levels also.

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    Is that you Nicola
    Seemed a pretty well thought out response.

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