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[lucky]

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Aslef reject a similar offer for train companies in London and the South East, strike action now going to happen down there.

That’s utter rubbish. There has been no offer for any DfT run train companies. The drivers in these companies have not had a pay rise in 3 years whilst Scotrail have had 13%.

[lucky]

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How does the strike 'work for the people' whose plans get screwed by it? This action by an exceptionally well paid body of workers is out of proportion to the scale of their grievance.

Strikes are a last resort but the whole point of striking is for it to be disruptive. That way the employer or government feels under pressure to settle. Train drivers earn good money but why should they accept no pay rises for 3 years in a row? It shouldn’t be worker v worker. Everyone needs a pay rise as all our costs are going up regardless of how much you earn.

[Moulin Yarns]

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That’s utter rubbish. There has been no offer for any DfT run train companies. The drivers in these companies have not had a pay rise in 3 years whilst Scotrail have had 13%.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/11/drivers-eight-train-operators-vote-strike-pay-aslef-rail


Utter rubbish????

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https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/11/drivers-eight-train-operators-vote-strike-pay-aslef-rail


Utter rubbish????

Does that not say 2% rather than 5

[ronaldo7]

July 27th RMT call for new strike on Network rail.

Workers at rail operators and Network Rail will strike for 24 hours on 27 July in a dispute over pay, the RMT union has announced.

The news comes after the union rejected a pay offer from Network Rail, which it described as "paltry".

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said: "The offer from Network Rail represents a real terms pay cut for our members and the paltry sum is conditional on RMT members agreeing to drastic changes in their working lives.

"We have made progress on compulsory redundancies, but Network Rail are still seeking to make our members poorer when we have won in some cases double what they are offering, with other rail operators.

"The train operating companies remain stubborn and are refusing to make any new offer which deals with job security and pay.


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"Strike action is the only course open to us to make both the rail industry and government understand that this dispute will continue for as long as it takes, until we get a negotiated settlement."

[Kato]

Some stat if true.

https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/...sUlHbTwHg&s=19

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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Strike on 30/7 too.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Strike on 30/7 too.

Network rail staff rather than Scotrail.


Note that Scotrail is nationalised by the Scottish government whilst network rail is the UK government. 🤔

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Network rail staff rather than Scotrail.

Aye, same as the 27th that someone posted earlier.

[ronaldo7]

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Aye, same as the 27th that someone posted earlier.

Two different strikes mate. The one on 27th is a strike by the RMT union which covers network rail, including Scotrail, as they have members in safety positions including signalmen.

The one on the 30th is Aslef, which covers the following.

ASLEF members at eight companies – Arriva Rail London; Chiltern Railways; Greater Anglia; Great Western; Hull Trains; LNER; Southeastern; and West Midlands Trains – will strike on Saturday 30 July.

LNER will be affected in Scotland on the 30th.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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LNER will be affected in Scotland on the 30th.

The 30th strike could scupper my journey down south that day, LNER down & Cross Country back. 😬

[ronaldo7]

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The 30th strike could scupper my journey down south that day, LNER down & Cross Country back. 😬

It will do for a few.

[lucky]

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https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/11/drivers-eight-train-operators-vote-strike-pay-aslef-rail


Utter rubbish????

Yes as there has been no talks with any train operator. I know this for fact.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Yes as there has been no talks with any train operator. I know this for fact.

How are they striking then? If they haven't balloted members then it's illegal strike action.

[SteveHFC]

Won’t complain about Scotrail again after my experience with Transpennie Express this week. 😂

[lucky]

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How are they striking then? If they haven't balloted members then it's illegal strike action.

We are obviously at crossed purposes. You originally posted that ASLEF had rejected similar offers in England as had been accepted by Scotrail drivers. That’s why I said it was utter rubbish simply because it’s not true. They’ve not been made any offer and that’s why they are on strike in 8 companies, another 2 being re balloted due legal challenges and 2 more ballot results at the end of July.

[danhibees1875]

The strikes yesterday seemed to creep up on me - did they get the same media coverage as the upcoming ones in late August?

Using this as a "trains" thread as I don't think it was a "ScotRail" strike.

[Smartie]

Just going by my work WhatsApp group there’s been a lot of trouble for folk getting in to work this morning, several trains cancelled at the last minute and knock on effects to buses / general congestion.

[SteveHFC]

Scotrail keeping the alcohol ban in place for the foreseeable future

https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/...bUeeUXoHITRGkA

[lucky]

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Scotrail keeping the alcohol ban in place for the foreseeable future

https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/...bUeeUXoHITRGkA

It’s a decision by the Scottish government remains until after the national conversation on rail is complete

[Pretty Boy]

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Scotrail keeping the alcohol ban in place for the foreseeable future

https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/...bUeeUXoHITRGkA

I was on a train to Croy last Saturday and there were groups of Rangers and Celtic fans on along with a smaller smattering of Spurs and Norwich fans. Pretty much every group was openly drinking and there wasn't a train guard/manager to be seen.

Not blaming the guard of course. It was a packed train and I wouldn't have fancied being the one to tell them to pack it in (particularly the group of legless Rangers fans who thought aiming a chant about Hitler at Spurs fans was hilarious but that's for another thread).

The point is that it is a ban that will likely be enforced when it's easy to enforce it. A couple of guys or someone on their own with a drink and a quiet word should sort the problem such as it is. The big groups engaging in unacceptable behaviour aren't going to listen to a solitary train manager asking them to stop drinking. In that situation it's unenforceable without Police intervention and how likely is that on a week to week basis? That essentially makes the ban meaningless. The solitary travelers who might have enjoyed a drink to pass the time and kept themselves to themselves will be both the most likely to comply and the easiest to target for enforcement. The groups on their way to football, rugby, gigs or nights out who tend to cause the most disturbance will just continue as they please knowing enforcement and even arrest and prosecution is highly unlikely.

[Ozyhibby]

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I was on a train to Croy last Saturday and there were groups of Rangers and Celtic fans on along with a smaller smattering of Spurs and Norwich fans. Pretty much every group was openly drinking and there wasn't a train guard/manager to be seen.

Not blaming the guard of course. It was a packed train and I wouldn't have fancied being the one to tell them to pack it in (particularly the group of legless Rangers fans who thought aiming a chant about Hitler at Spurs fans was hilarious but that's for another thread).

The point is that it is a ban that will likely be enforced when it's easy to enforce it. A couple of guys or someone on their own with a drink and a quiet word should sort the problem such as it is. The big groups engaging in unacceptable behaviour aren't going to listen to a solitary train manager asking them to stop drinking. In that situation it's unenforceable without Police intervention and how likely is that on a week to week basis? That essentially makes the ban meaningless. The solitary travelers who might have enjoyed a drink to pass the time and kept themselves to themselves will be both the most likely to comply and the easiest to target for enforcement. The groups on their way to football, rugby, gigs or nights out who tend to cause the most disturbance will just continue as they please knowing enforcement and even arrest and prosecution is highly unlikely.

Eventually it becomes a learned behaviour that you don’t drink on trains. There were loads of people saying the smoking ban would never be enforced and it probably wasn’t at first but nobody even thinks of lighting up now.


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[danhibees1875]

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Eventually it becomes a learned behaviour that you don’t drink on trains. There were loads of people saying the smoking ban would never be enforced and it probably wasn’t at first but nobody even thinks of lighting up now.


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Time will tell. Or it will if they stick with it.
I don't think I was of drinking age when that came about so don't remember the discussion or how people felt about it.

I'm not sure the two are equatable though. People are/were much more tuned in to the dangers of smoking so would presumably have been more inclined to stop/limit themselves.

There's also the dangers of second hand smoke which aren't the same as with alcohol so there's more reason to not want to do just be told to stop drinking.

I can't remember the last time I used a train, and I probably didn't drink on it. It just seems a bit off when it feels like, as PB said, it's more likely to end up punishing those least deserving of it and not changing the behaviours of those it is meant to be targeting.

[marinello59]

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Eventually it becomes a learned behaviour that you don’t drink on trains. There were loads of people saying the smoking ban would never be enforced and it probably wasn’t at first but nobody even thinks of lighting up now.


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I’ve travelled a fair bit on trains in Poland over the past three years and with very few exceptions there isn’t any drinking onboard. I didn’t think I’d ever say this but it makes for a much more pleasant atmosphere. I can see why Scotrail are sticking with it.

[Sir David Gray]

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Scotrail keeping the alcohol ban in place for the foreseeable future

https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/...bUeeUXoHITRGkA

Once again, so much for the "temporary measure" to help control Covid-19...

I'm not sure what the point is in including this in a "National Conversation on Rail" either.

We've seen already with the Covid Recovery Bill that the current Scottish Government doesn't care about responses to public consultations in the slightest.

Their minds will be made up and it will simply be a formality in having a so called "conversation" about it.

[Callum_62]

I've mentioned it before about living somewhere where public alcohol consumption was banned in alot of city centre areas

Gotta say I agree with the poster above about making the place better

"For your own comfort, as well as those around you, the simple tips below ensure everyone enjoys a pleasant trip:

No eating or smoking (this includes vaping) is allowed on trains at any time.
Beverages in a closed/lidded container can be taken on board.
Strictly no alcohol to be consumed on board or at stations.
Give your seat to seniors, pregnant women, people with small children.
Take off backpacks and store bags under seats or on your lap.
Refrain from resting your feet on the seats.
When listening to personal audio devices, use headphones set at a volume that ensures other passengers are not disturbed.
Do not block doors and whenever possible move down the aisle.
Take all your belongings, including rubbish, with you.
When boarding, let others off first. It's faster for everyone."

Thing is I've seen the guard telling off kids for feet on seats or telling them to stand up and let the older person sit

Good times

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