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[lapsedhibee]

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Somehow the UK public have been conditioned to think that unions are almost criminal

Not a mystery how that conditioning has come about. Tony Benn used to be very good on the subject of how disputes were always presented in the media. It was always "Bosses offered workers 5% but unions demanded to be paid more", never "Workers offered to work for 6% but bosses demanded they work for less".

[hibsbollah]

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Edinburgh Tram workers threatening to strike during the festival after rejecting a 4% rise. I think they are paid around 25k per year.

Will be a disaster for hospitality although not as bad as if bus drivers were to strike, but I have a hunch that is probably a certainty. Very worrying times for those who work in hospitality as a lot of venues make enough money during the festival to get them through the quiet months, strikes would genuinely threaten jobs.

That is not having a dig at the drivers btw, they have a right to strike for better terms and conditions but the reality of the situation.

You will know your industry better than me but I'd be surprised if it were a 'disaster' for hospitality during the festival? Lots of Edinburgh easily accessible on foot for most, small city, most venues clustered around concentrated areas, it obviously depends where you live but trams don't serve a big area anyway, I've never set foot on one in 12 years and I use the bus all the time.

[danhibees1875]

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You will know your industry better than me but I'd be surprised if it were a 'disaster' for hospitality during the festival? Lots of Edinburgh easily accessible on foot for most, small city, most venues clustered around concentrated areas, it obviously depends where you live but trams don't serve a big area anyway, I've never set foot on one in 12 years and I use the bus all the time.

I think I'd be inclined to agree. I don't think the trams would have much of an impact. At the moment they don't have enough of a reach and there's plentiful alternatives with the bus service. People would just find alternative methods into the city as opposed to not coming into the city - trains and buses would be able to have a more impactful strike in this regard.

It's an interesting story though if they're explicitly targeting festival time in order to inconvenience/jeopardise the jobs of others at an important time to make their point. Obviously there's a balance as from their perspective a strike is no good if it doesn't impact other people - like the climate activists on motorways I guess.

[Ozyhibby]

Been impressed with both the aslef guys in Scotland and the RMT guy in England. Working hard for their members while being willing to negotiate. Didn’t used to have much time for unions but can see things have went too far the other way in this country now and there needs to be a swing the other way. More power to them so long as they don’t start to get to political again.


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[Since90+2]

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You will know your industry better than me but I'd be surprised if it were a 'disaster' for hospitality during the festival? Lots of Edinburgh easily accessible on foot for most, small city, most venues clustered around concentrated areas, it obviously depends where you live but trams don't serve a big area anyway, I've never set foot on one in 12 years and I use the bus all the time.

I think disaster was probably a bit strong but it will undoubtedly have an impact on people being able to move around the city (there's over 7 million passenger journeys a year on the trams). And we know driving is pretty much a no no around Edinburgh city centre so it rules that out.

If the buses strike at that time then all bets are off as they say.

[Callum_62]

Seen this on Facebook earlier

https://www.facebook.com/10000645000...?sfnsn=scwspmo

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[Stairway 2 7]

BTW balloting for strike, when it revealed they have set up food banks for staff, although they call them community food hubs

https://www.bigissue.com/news/employ...try-own-staff/

Dave Ward
@DaveWard GS c w Union
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BT Group made £1.3bn profit.

BT Group paid out £700m to shareholders.

BT Group CEO paid £3.5m this year.

BT Group have opened foodbanks at work because staff can’t get through the month on their own pay.

No more. No further. The line is drawn.

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Nurseborisbash
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I'm a very experienced A&E nurse and my wage is so low that as a widowed single parent I also receive universal credit.
So don't you dare use the fact that as a life saver, I've been undervalued by government as an excuse to bash the #RMTstrikes !
They are paving the way for me

[Hibrandenburg]

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BTW balloting for strike, when it revealed they have set up food banks for staff, although they call them community food hubs

https://www.bigissue.com/news/employ...try-own-staff/

Dave Ward
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BT Group made £1.3bn profit.

BT Group paid out £700m to shareholders.

BT Group CEO paid £3.5m this year.

BT Group have opened foodbanks at work because staff can’t get through the month on their own pay.

No more. No further. The line is drawn.

We really are reliving Victorian times again where working isn't enough to survive.

[SChibs]

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Been impressed with both the aslef guys in Scotland and the RMT guy in England. Working hard for their members while being willing to negotiate. Didn’t used to have much time for unions but can see things have went too far the other way in this country now and there needs to be a swing the other way. More power to them so long as they don’t start to get to political again.


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Serious question because Im interested in hearing from yhe other side here. How could unions be seen as anything but a good thing? (Unless you are a profit hungry corporation). They fight for the rights of workers and prevent bosses from bullying the workers at the bottom.

I've had one job where we weren't unionised and we got 1% a year and t&Cs taken away. The job I'm in now is unionised and we got 6% in April and we're getting another 2.5% in October. There's no way we'd have gotten that without the collective backing the union provided

[Stairway 2 7]

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Serious question because Im interested in hearing from yhe other side here. How could unions be seen as anything but a good thing? (Unless you are a profit hungry corporation). They fight for the rights of workers and prevent bosses from bullying the workers at the bottom.

I've had one job where we weren't unionised and we got 1% a year and t&Cs taken away. The job I'm in now is unionised and we got 6% in April and we're getting another 2.5% in October. There's no way we'd have gotten that without the collective backing the union provided

I think there is the wrong opinion that unions are toothless nowadays unfortunately

[Allant1981]

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Nurseborisbash
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I'm a very experienced A&E nurse and my wage is so low that as a widowed single parent I also receive universal credit.
So don't you dare use the fact that as a life saver, I've been undervalued by government as an excuse to bash the #RMTstrikes !
They are paving the way for me

Must be part time then, a registered band 5 nurse earns £33k basic

[Stairway 2 7]

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Must be part time then, a registered band 5 nurse earns £33k basic

This nurse is band 5 works 30 hours and gets universal credit. I'd guess a widowed parents working hours is limited

https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/universal-credit-cut-senior-nhs-nurse-says-she-goes-to-work-worrying-about-bailiffs/

[Stairway 2 7]

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This nurse is band 5 works 30 hours and gets universal credit. I'd guess a widowed parents working hours is limited

https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/universal-credit-cut-senior-nhs-nurse-says-she-goes-to-work-worrying-about-bailiffs/

Here's another greedy nurses

She said the Government’s plan to scrap the uplift felt like a “massive slap in the face”, made worse by the fact she has worked hard to support Covid-19 patients throughout the pandemic.
“I’m the highest level that I can be as a nurse, and I still have to claim Universal Credit because I don’t have enough money in my wages,” she told i.
“It makes me ask why I bothered with a master’s degree, or having the higher, more stressful senior position.”
Juggling childcare commitments with a 30-hour working week puts Lily’s monthly wage at £1,400. A total of £950 of that goes on rent – the cheapest flat she could find in her area – and council tax is another £150.
Without factoring in energy bills, running a car, or the food shop, Lily is left with £300 for the month.
“It’s almost £100 a month they’re going to be taking away – that’s just so much in one lump sum,” she said.
“We don’t go on holiday, we don’t have a pet, we don’t eat out – sometimes I’m swapping my dinner for cereal so the girls can have healthy food.
“I’m back to worrying about affording mine and my family’s very basic existence.”

[G15 Hibs]

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Been impressed with both the aslef guys in Scotland and the RMT guy in England. Working hard for their members while being willing to negotiate. Didn’t used to have much time for unions but can see things have went too far the other way in this country now and there needs to be a swing the other way. More power to them so long as they don’t start to get to political again.


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A non-political trade union isn't doing it's job properly. They don't necessarily have to be party political, but the issue of low pay and bad working conditions comes down to how society is structured and the only way to change that is through political change.

[ronaldo7]

Good news, and a good deal hammered out by the Union.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...mpaign=KARANGA

ScotRail drivers will see their pay climb by 5% and also get more money for rest day and Sunday working, driving instructor and maternity pay along with a policy of no compulsory redundancies for the next five years.

The nationalised train operator said 2.2% of the increase would be funded by Transport Scotland with the remaining 2.8% coming from ScotRail's funds.

ScotRail came back into public ownership for the first time in 25 years in April, after previous operator Abellio had its franchise ended early over criticism of the quality of the service.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Good news, and a good deal hammered out by the Union.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...mpaign=KARANGA

ScotRail drivers will see their pay climb by 5% and also get more money for rest day and Sunday working, driving instructor and maternity pay along with a policy of no compulsory redundancies for the next five years.

The nationalised train operator said 2.2% of the increase would be funded by Transport Scotland with the remaining 2.8% coming from ScotRail's funds.

ScotRail came back into public ownership for the first time in 25 years in April, after previous operator Abellio had its franchise ended early over criticism of the quality of the service.

Aslef reject a similar offer for train companies in London and the South East, strike action now going to happen down there.

[ronaldo7]

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Aslef reject a similar offer for train companies in London and the South East, strike action now going to happen down there.

Aye, we've still got the Network rail dispute to deal with too. You'd think the Tories would get their eye back on the ball, and get it sorted.

[Just_Jimmy]

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Good news, and a good deal hammered out by the Union.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...mpaign=KARANGA

ScotRail drivers will see their pay climb by 5% and also get more money for rest day and Sunday working, driving instructor and maternity pay along with a policy of no compulsory redundancies for the next five years.

The nationalised train operator said 2.2% of the increase would be funded by Transport Scotland with the remaining 2.8% coming from ScotRail's funds.

ScotRail came back into public ownership for the first time in 25 years in April, after previous operator Abellio had its franchise ended early over criticism of the quality of the service.

So still 4%ish below inflation?

I'm outraged on their behalf

I'd kill for a 5% raise

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[ronaldo7]

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So still 4%ish below inflation?

I'm outraged on their behalf

I'd kill for a 5% raise

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I think they've done well to get a decent package for their members. 5%, and an increase on week end working, increased maternity benefits and no compulsory redundancies for 5 years is massive.

[He's here!]

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Aslef reject a similar offer for train companies in London and the South East, strike action now going to happen down there.

Doubtless to take place in bang in the middle of the school summer holidays, probably around the Commonwealth Games just to ensure maximum inconvenience.

Haven't had a pay rise since those oh so long ago days of 2019...I'd have thought that on 60k a year you could just about make ends meet.

[Just_Jimmy]

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I think they've done well to get a decent package for their members. 5%, and an increase on week end working, increased maternity benefits and no compulsory redundancies for 5 years is massive.

So do I, hence I said I'd love 5%. It was a bit tounge in check. Sorry if it didn't come over that way.

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Unions being viewed as 'almost criminal' stems from the 80s and 90s, a much more revealing period in labour relations than the 70s, which is the era we're encouraged to pick apart for political lessons. And when Labour MPs are briefing that their whips are encouraging them to 'issue public apologies or face disciplinary action' for joining a picket line, who's actually surprised?

If you want protection at work, whether from dodgy health and safety, pay or pensions, you're better in a union. That's why they always under attack from government.

Some of them fully deserved the flak they got. Among the worst were the print unions, who eventually got screwed over by Murdoch moving operations to Wapping. Prior to that the practices of the Fleet Street print unions were so restrictive that they quite literally held the papers to ransom (this of course at a time when newspapers were a key source of information and were bought in enormous quantities). Union bosses used to earn more than the editors of the papers they worked for, disruptive practices (eg sticking chewing gum in presses to break a print run) were commonplace. The Sunday Times' exposure of the thalidomide scandal was one of the biggest national interest stories massively disrupted by such actions.

[ronaldo7]

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Doubtless to take place in bang in the middle of the school summer holidays, probably around the Commonwealth Games just to ensure maximum inconvenience.

Haven't had a pay rise since those oh so long ago days of 2019...I'd have thought that on 60k a year you could just about make ends meet.

Good. It's about time the Unions got the free collective bargaining working for the people again. You strike when it is good for you to do so, not the employer.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

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Good. It's about time the Unions got the free collective bargaining working for the people again. You strike when it is good for you to do so, not the employer.

Yep.


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[He's here!]

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Good. It's about time the Unions got the free collective bargaining working for the people again. You strike when it is good for you to do so, not the employer.

How does the strike 'work for the people' whose plans get screwed by it? This action by an exceptionally well paid body of workers is out of proportion to the scale of their grievance.

[ronaldo7]

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How does the strike 'work for the people' whose plans get screwed by it? This action by an exceptionally well paid body of workers is out of proportion to the scale of their grievance.

The strike is to help the union get the employer to come to a better agreement for their members. Why doesn't the employer stop paying the shareholders as much money, and give some back to the workers?

If the employers can't be bothered with getting a deal on the table which suits both sides, then they're putting the people out on a limb.

Deals can be worked out as indicated today with Scotrail.

[wookie70]

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How does the strike 'work for the people' whose plans get screwed by it? This action by an exceptionally well paid body of workers is out of proportion to the scale of their grievance.

If my plans had been screwed by it I would get on at the Train Companies demanding that they maintain their workers standard of Living.

I really don't care if they earn more than me, if my Union got its act together I would earn more too. Workers really need to start sticking up for each other but the MSM and Tories seem to have hypnotised many into sticking the boot into their own before the companies that overcharge and underpay. A train Driver does an incredibly important job with huge responsibilities and deserves their remuneration. They are getting what they are due because they stood up and fought management. The rest of us have been screwed because we let them turn us round, bend us over and... its a family site but you get the drift.

If their grievance is so that insignificant then surely their bosses could sort it out easily enough. Hopefully the Civil Service will vote to go out on strike and if we do I want us to take out the parts that will have most impact. Stop immigration control, tax collection, the courts etc etc. IT is about time the worth of workers was recognised, and those that need to recognise it most are other workers.

[SChibs]

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Doubtless to take place in bang in the middle of the school summer holidays, probably around the Commonwealth Games just to ensure maximum inconvenience.

Haven't had a pay rise since those oh so long ago days of 2019...I'd have thought that on 60k a year you could just about make ends meet.

One section of the workforce is on 60k. The cleaners, caterers and train guards aren't on that much so do they not deserve a payrise? Regardless they have their salary and it should be increased every year to adjust for inflation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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If my plans had been screwed by it I would get on at the Train Companies demanding that they maintain their workers standard of Living.

I really don't care if they earn more than me, if my Union got its act together I would earn more too. Workers really need to start sticking up for each other but the MSM and Tories seem to have hypnotised many into sticking the boot into their own before the companies that overcharge and underpay. A train Driver does an incredibly important job with huge responsibilities and deserves their remuneration. They are getting what they are due because they stood up and fought management. The rest of us have been screwed because we let them turn us round, bend us over and... its a family site but you get the drift.

If their grievance is so that insignificant then surely their bosses could sort it out easily enough. Hopefully the Civil Service will vote to go out on strike and if we do I want us to take out the parts that will have most impact. Stop immigration control, tax collection, the courts etc etc. IT is about time the worth of workers was recognised, and those that need to recognise it most are other workers.

I’m a Civil Servant and id be stunned if we’re on strike any time soon.

Terrible union who usually tell you how delighted they are to announce your 1% pay rise 6 months late.