Driving Pet Peeves

[LaMotta]

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What question??

I've asked 4 but they can't answer one of them!?

You havent asked 4 questions you asked one question and listed 3 possible answers. Your maths is getting worse. And as usual its totally irrelevant to the fact that driving too slowly is not acceptable.

There are plenty of examples of drivers being fined for driving too slowly on google. One has been stopped this week by the police because they were driving too slow.

You are either a troll on the wind up; have been consuming magic mushrooms; or a bonafide lunatic who should never be trusted with either the controls of a car or the buttons of a calculator.

Not responding to you again on this.

[Killiehibbie]

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If your speedo is at 70 and your only doing 60, I'd suggest your speedo is ****ed.

Real speed closer to 60, not 10mph below to what the Speedo says but always more than 5 and often 7 or 8. I'm sure a GPS with pinpoint accuracy is more reliable than an uncalibrated car or van speedo.

[Moulin Yarns]

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You havent asked 4 questions you asked one question and listed 3 possible answers. Your maths is getting worse. And as usual its totally irrelevant to the fact that driving too slowly is not acceptable.

There are plenty of examples of drivers being fined for driving too slowly on google. One has been stopped this week by the police because they were driving too slow.

You are either a troll on the wind up; have been consuming magic mushrooms; or a bonafide lunatic who should never be trusted with either the controls of a car or the buttons of a calculator.

Not responding to you again on this.

Result 😂

[SChibs]

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What question??

I've asked 4 but they can't answer one of them!?

The bit on his post that ended with a question mark mate.

[SChibs]

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Real speed closer to 60, not 10mph below to what the Speedo says but always more than 5 and often 7 or 8. I'm sure a GPS with pinpoint accuracy is more reliable than an uncalibrated car or van speedo.

I think the speedos are a % lower so as you get faster the mph you are out will increase

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This thread has turned into a car crash!

[LaMotta]

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This thread has turned into a car crash!

[SChibs]

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This thread has turned into a car crash!

Theres a 40% chance LaMotta was involved

[LaMotta]

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Theres a 40% chance LaMotta was involved

[Since90+2]

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Like to hazard a guess what he was charged with?

Driving below the speed limit?

Driving without a valid licence?

Driving without insurance?

The Police literally confirm in the tweet the reason he was pulled over was because he was driving too slow. The initial police stop was nothing to do with insurance or licence, again as confirmed in the tweet.

Can you think why that would be the case?

[Stairway 2 7]

The RAC's take on it

Although there isn’t an official minimum speed limit on most motorways, travelling too slowly can be considered dangerous and you might attract the attention of the police.

In this case, you’d usually be let off with a verbal warning, but you could be prosecuted for careless driving.

Inspector Gareth Jones of the Roads Policing Unit said: “Driving too slowly on any road can result in the motorist being penalised for careless driving which carries a fine and penalty points on a licence.

"Each case has to be dealt with on its own merit. However, we would advise anybody who witnesses driving too slow and who has dashcam footage that it can be submitted to us via our #OpSnap campaign.”

[Hibrandenburg]

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The RAC's take on it

Although there isn’t an official minimum speed limit on most motorways, travelling too slowly can be considered dangerous and you might attract the attention of the police.

In this case, you’d usually be let off with a verbal warning, but you could be prosecuted for careless driving.

Inspector Gareth Jones of the Roads Policing Unit said: “Driving too slowly on any road can result in the motorist being penalised for careless driving which carries a fine and penalty points on a licence.

"Each case has to be dealt with on its own merit. However, we would advise anybody who witnesses driving too slow and who has dashcam footage that it can be submitted to us via our #OpSnap campaign.”

What is too slow?

In Germany we have a minimum speed limit of 31mph on motorways and dual carriageways and on some of them no speed limit. The responsibility lies with those driving fast to do so within their capabilities and with due care and attention. I very much doubt that anyone in the UK would be done for driving 40 (that was the speed mentioned in the op if I recall correctly) on the motorway unless there were other mitigating circumstances. Yes, the police might use it as a reason to have a closer look at a driver but unless there are other mitigating circumstances, then these drivers will probably be sent on their way with a polite word in their shell like.

What grips my **** is that some on here are basically saying that if you can't or won't do 70 on the motorway then you should have your licence revoked, that's not only bull**** but also discriminatory to whole swathes of people who depend on their car but don't belong to the elite bunch of super drivers we have on here. The road is for everyone who can drive safely, be that at 70 or 40.

Fill your boots and pick that statement apart, but it is and will stay my opinion on the matter and will also be my last comment on the subject.

Yours Respectively

A professional driver with 39 years accident free driving in many different countries.

[Stairway 2 7]

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What is too slow?

In Germany we have a minimum speed limit of 31mph on motorways and dual carriageways and on some of them no speed limit. The responsibility lies with those driving fast to do so within their capabilities and with due care and attention. I very much doubt that anyone in the UK would be done for driving 40 (that was the speed mentioned in the op if I recall correctly) on the motorway unless there were other mitigating circumstances. Yes, the police might use it as a reason to have a closer look at a driver but unless there are other mitigating circumstances, then these drivers will probably be sent on their way with a polite word in their shell like.

What grips my **** is that some on here are basically saying that if you can't or won't do 70 on the motorway then you should have your licence revoked, that's not only bull**** but also discriminatory to whole swathes of people who depend on their car but don't belong to the elite bunch of super drivers we have on here. The road is for everyone who can drive safely, be that at 70 or 40.

Fill your boots and pick that statement apart, but it is and will stay my opinion on the matter and will also be my last comment on the subject.

Yours Respectively

A professional driver with 39 years accident free driving in many different countries.

You shouldn't be on the roads if you aren't comfortable doing around 70 on the motorway, it's in the test for a reason. I suppose driving tests are discriminatory deliberately, you'd fail doing 40 on the motorway

[Just Alf]

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What grips my **** is that some on here are basically saying that if you can't or won't do 70 on the motorway then you should have your licence revoked, that's not only bull**** but also discriminatory to whole swathes of people who depend on their car but don't belong to the elite bunch of super drivers we have on here. The road is for everyone who can drive safely, be that at 70 or 40.

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I was taking it that we all agreed that folks can drive at whatever speed they feel they can safely manage, some just didn't seem to grasp that two cars doing widely varying speeds can be more of a hazard than two going at the same speed.

Fwiw my wife is one of the slower drivers, totally hates dual carriage ways... I've always said, just stick in the inside lane and all will be fine, if she does want to overtake a truck or whatever make sure you've checked a long way back for approaching traffic as a car could be upon you quite quickly.

Edit: looking at the post before mine maybe not!

[AltheHibby]

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What is too slow?

In Germany we have a minimum speed limit of 31mph on motorways and dual carriageways and on some of them no speed limit. The responsibility lies with those driving fast to do so within their capabilities and with due care and attention. I very much doubt that anyone in the UK would be done for driving 40 (that was the speed mentioned in the op if I recall correctly) on the motorway unless there were other mitigating circumstances. Yes, the police might use it as a reason to have a closer look at a driver but unless there are other mitigating circumstances, then these drivers will probably be sent on their way with a polite word in their shell like.

What grips my **** is that some on here are basically saying that if you can't or won't do 70 on the motorway then you should have your licence revoked, that's not only bull**** but also discriminatory to whole swathes of people who depend on their car but don't belong to the elite bunch of super drivers we have on here. The road is for everyone who can drive safely, be that at 70 or 40.

Fill your boots and pick that statement apart, but it is and will stay my opinion on the matter and will also be my last comment on the subject.

Yours Respectively

A professional driver with 39 years accident free driving in many different countries.

TBF, your drivers are a lot better than anyone else's.

Take Belgians for example (and the Kennedy Tunnel is just scary!)

[Keith_M]

It's already been confirmed from a number of different sources that you actually can be given a warning, or even fined in extreme cases, for driving too slowly on a UK motorway.


I don't think anybody's anybody's actually saying that we should all drive like lunatics, just that one part of the job of UK transport police is too keep traffic moving as smoothly as possible on motorways, which can be very difficult.

The experience I gave on this thread a few months back was from my uncle, who served in L&B Police for over thirty years.

He told me that the most common approach when encountering vehicles driving way below the speed limit, and causing a tailback, was to pull the car over, check first that everything was OK and then explain the problems of driving at 40mph (or whatever) on a motorway. If they felt uncomfortable driving any faster than that. they would then advise them that it might be a better idea to consider an alternative route.

Actually fining somebody was extremely rare... and usually reserved for uncooperative ********s.


I really don't see why anybody would have a problem with that.

[Stairway 2 7]

Uk least deaths the last time eu did a full report.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...n/MEMO_19_1990

From this year 4th I think in deaths per 100k


Norway 2.7

Switzerland 2.7

Sweden 2.8

United Kingdom 3.1

Netherlands 3.8

Denmark 4.0

Germany 4.1

Ireland 4.1

Spain 4.1

Finland 4.7

Malta 5.1

Austria 5.2

Cyprus 5.2

France 5.5

Italy 5.6

Belgium 5.8

[McD]

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Real speed closer to 60, not 10mph below to what the Speedo says but always more than 5 and often 7 or 8. I'm sure a GPS with pinpoint accuracy is more reliable than an uncalibrated car or van speedo.

every satnav/gps I’ve used, 70 on the speedo has been about 67 on the satnav

[Killiehibbie]

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every satnav/gps I’ve used, 70 on the speedo has been about 67 on the satnav

Same car or loads of different vehicles?

[Hermit Crab]

Tesco are ripping the piss now, 192.9 a litre of petrol in Tesco at Duloch in Dunfermline, BP garage down the road in Dalgety Bay is only 186.9 and Sainsburys at Gorgie is 185.9.

[Since90+2]

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You shouldn't be on the roads if you aren't comfortable doing around 70 on the motorway, it's in the test for a reason. I suppose driving tests are discriminatory deliberately, you'd fail doing 40 on the motorway

You don't go on the motorway on your test, ever.

[Stairway 2 7]

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You don't go on the motorway on your test, ever.

Yeah your right its a duel carriage way, but stillneed to get close to speed limit. Although I think they are talking about motorway, I know you can go on motorway on your lessons now

[Keith_M]

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Tesco are ripping the piss now, 192.9 a litre of petrol in Tesco at Duloch in Dunfermline, BP garage down the road in Dalgety Bay is only 186.9 and Sainsburys at Gorgie is 185.9.

Prices are crazy just now but, yeah, that's some difference in price.

[lapsedhibee]

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You shouldn't be on the roads if you aren't comfortable doing around 70 on the motorway

I don't understand why the Highway Code doesn't prohibit driving at less than 70.

All I can find is you should drive at a steady cruising speed which you and your vehicle can handle safely and is within the speed limit



4. On the motorway (260 to 263)

260
When you can see well ahead and the road conditions are good, you should
drive at a steady cruising speed which you and your vehicle can handle safely and is within the speed limit (see the Speed limits table)
keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front and increase the gap on wet or icy roads, or in fog (see Rules 126 and 235).

261
You MUST NOT exceed
a speed limit displayed within a red circle on a sign
the maximum speed limit for the road and for your vehicle (see Rule 124).
Speed limits are enforced by the police (see Rule 124).
Law RTRA sects 17, 86, 89 & sch 6

262
The monotony of driving on motorways and other high-speed roads can make you feel sleepy. To minimise the risk, follow the advice in Rule 91 about ensuring you are fit to drive and taking breaks.
Service areas are located along motorways to allow you to take breaks and to obtain refreshments. Refreshment and rest facilities on the local road network may also be accessible from motorway exits.
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263
Unless directed to do so by a police or traffic officer, you MUST NOT
reverse along any part of a motorway, including slip roads, hard shoulders and emergency areas
cross the central reservation
drive against the traffic flow.
If you have missed your exit, or have taken the wrong route, carry on to the next exit.
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 6, 8 & 10 & MT(S)R regs 4, 5, 7 & 9

[LaMotta]

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I don't understand why the Highway Code doesn't prohibit driving at less than 70.

All I can find is you should drive at a steady cruising speed which you and your vehicle can handle safely and is within the speed limit


4. On the motorway (260 to 263)

260
When you can see well ahead and the road conditions are good, you should
drive at a steady cruising speed which you and your vehicle can handle safely and is within the speed limit (see the Speed limits table)
keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front and increase the gap on wet or icy roads, or in fog (see Rules 126 and 235).

261
You MUST NOT exceed
a speed limit displayed within a red circle on a sign
the maximum speed limit for the road and for your vehicle (see Rule 124).
Speed limits are enforced by the police (see Rule 124).
Law RTRA sects 17, 86, 89 & sch 6

262
The monotony of driving on motorways and other high-speed roads can make you feel sleepy. To minimise the risk, follow the advice in Rule 91 about ensuring you are fit to drive and taking breaks.
Service areas are located along motorways to allow you to take breaks and to obtain refreshments. Refreshment and rest facilities on the local road network may also be accessible from motorway exits.
​
263
Unless directed to do so by a police or traffic officer, you MUST NOT
reverse along any part of a motorway, including slip roads, hard shoulders and emergency areas
cross the central reservation
drive against the traffic flow.
If you have missed your exit, or have taken the wrong route, carry on to the next exit.
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 6, 8 & 10 & MT(S)R regs 4, 5, 7 & 9

It can't be prohibited completely though because there will always be times when vehicles have to do less than 70.

[LaMotta]

Unneccesary slow driving is covered more generally by the Highway code:

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​You MUST NOT

• drive dangerously
• drive without due care and attention
• drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.

This applies to all roads.

[Stairway 2 7]

You obviously can set a minimum speed limit for most roads as that is just daft due to congestion ect. If there is problems with the
car ect, that obviously isn't the same subject. The road police officer above pretty much sums it up.

Inspector Gareth Jones of the Roads Policing Unit said: “Driving too slowly on any road can result in the motorist being penalised for careless driving which carries a fine and penalty points on a licence.

"Each case has to be dealt with on its own merit. However, we would advise anybody who witnesses driving too slow and who has dashcam footage that it can be submitted to us via our #OpSnap campaign.”

[lapsedhibee]

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Unneccesary slow driving is covered more generally by the Highway code:

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​You MUST NOT

• drive dangerously
• drive without due care and attention
• drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.

This applies to all roads.

A steady cruising speed is the prescribed way to drive on a motorway.

Here's one definition of cruising speed (Collins dictionary):

cruising speed
in British English
(ˈkruːzɪŋ spiːd IPA Pronunciation Guide )
NOUN
the speed at which a ship, car, or aircraft travels most efficiently
eg My car has a motorway cruising speed of 60mph.

Some cars I think travel most efficiently at less than 60 (56 used to be quoted). 56-60 is I grant you a long away above 40, but the idea that people should be aiming to drive on motorways at 70 all the time is bonkers.

[Stairway 2 7]

Can't believe people are trying to arguing this point. engines efficiency 😆

[lapsedhibee]

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Can't believe people are trying to arguing this point. engines efficiency 😆

It'll be on the all the front pages next time fuel's rationed.