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    Plant Medicine Ceremonies

    Anyone tried them?

    I had my first last week trying Hauchuma. Hard to explain what i experienced but it was amazing. Like nothing I’ve been through before. In the days after i’ve started to feel more at peace with everything and more connected to everything.

    Not gonna do another for a while but signed up to do 10 days with 5 ceremonies in Peru. Not everyone’s cup of tea but for me certainly made me look at life from a totally different angle. Having the right guide is crucial too.


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    My partner is a fan, and has done many. I am not yet convinced, but I may get there. In their words, I haven't yet been called.

    Ayahuasca is their favourite, for many reasons. But your last sentence is crucial. There are a few charlatans out there, and trust is essential.

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    Sorry for my ignorance as I know nothing about the above.

    Are these like psychedelics?

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    I have a friend who has used DMT, present in Ayahuasca I believe. His usage is much more recreational than spiritual but it sounds quite an amazing experience.

    I'm intrigued by it but being totally honest I'm still far too nervy about it to actually try it. The complete disassociation, out of body and hallucinatory experience he describes sound like something that you either love or hate.
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    My partner is a fan, and has done many. I am not yet convinced, but I may get there. In their words, I haven't yet been called.

    Ayahuasca is their favourite, for many reasons. But your last sentence is crucial. There are a few charlatans out there, and trust is essential.
    I'd love to have a guided ayahuasca session but I don't think I could deal with the spewing. Apparently it's pretty common for people to be sick during the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SChibs View Post
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    I'd love to have a guided ayahuasca session but I don't think I could deal with the spewing. Apparently it's pretty common for people to be sick during the experience.
    It's very rare not to. The physical purging is part of the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    My partner is a fan, and has done many. I am not yet convinced, but I may get there. In their words, I haven't yet been called.

    Ayahuasca is their favourite, for many reasons. But your last sentence is crucial. There are a few charlatans out there, and trust is essential.
    I’d agree with your partner. I had thought of it but never felt comfortable then everything dropped into place. Got recommendations and ended up with a guide doing them 20 years. As soon as i got there, knew it was the right choice.

    Peru is 5 ayahuasca ceremonies with another plant the shaman decides in between..

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    Sorry for my ignorance as I know nothing about the above.

    Are these like psychedelics?
    Yeah but non synthetic ones, purely natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SChibs View Post
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    I'd love to have a guided ayahuasca session but I don't think I could deal with the spewing. Apparently it's pretty common for people to be sick during the experience.
    I didn’t really have a sense of time but purged for a long while. Even that was weird. When doing it after too many beers it’s horrific. Doing it during the ceremony physically it was rough but mentally it wasn’t a bad thing, just the body getting rid of toxins.

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    I have a friend who has used DMT, present in Ayahuasca I believe. His usage is much more recreational than spiritual but it sounds quite an amazing experience.

    I'm intrigued by it but being totally honest I'm still far too nervy about it to actually try it. The complete disassociation, out of body and hallucinatory experience he describes sound like something that you either love or hate.
    But that’s the thing there wasn’t a complete disassociation. I could still walk about, wander the woods go back to the ceremony room. I was getting visions, messages etc but unlike say lsd things weren’t distorted everything was clear. What made me want to do it with a guide was a previous experience on dmt (which was totally different to hauchuma)..i wanted to have someone there to help me feel safe. Wasn’t there to get off my face but to use it to learn.

    There were 15 of us from all backgrounds. Everyone was a bit nervous/excited which is natural as none of us knew what was coming (even the experienced ones)

    The medicines still working so i’m told…I wouldn’t argue with that 😉

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    But that’s the thing there wasn’t a complete disassociation. I could still walk about, wander the woods go back to the ceremony room. I was getting visions, messages etc but unlike say lsd things weren’t distorted everything was clear. What made me want to do it with a guide was a previous experience on dmt (which was totally different to hauchuma)..i wanted to have someone there to help me feel safe. Wasn’t there to get off my face but to use it to learn.

    There were 15 of us from all backgrounds. Everyone was a bit nervous/excited which is natural as none of us knew what was coming (even the experienced ones)

    The medicines still working so i’m told…I wouldn’t argue with that 😉
    That's interesting to know, thanks.

    It seems to be an area that is criminally neglected when it comes to studies on the impact on mental well being.
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    That's interesting to know, thanks.

    It seems to be an area that is criminally neglected when it comes to studies on the impact on mental well being.
    Theres no doubt there are alternative compounds at can be used to fight the mental health crisis. There are studies that shoe one treatment with psylocibin can treat certain conditions for weeks/months. There's no way big pharma is going to switch to that if they can sell daily dosages of SSRI's which are way less effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SChibs View Post
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    Theres no doubt there are alternative compounds at can be used to fight the mental health crisis. There are studies that shoe one treatment with psylocibin can treat certain conditions for weeks/months. There's no way big pharma is going to switch to that if they can sell daily dosages of SSRI's which are way less effective.
    I'm aware of GPs and other academics experimenting with the use of plant medicine and psychedelics for the treatment of mental health issues. Part of the research and education includes practitioners having the experience for themselves. That makes sense to me.

    However, due to the legal and ethical barriers in their way, these things have to be done abroad under strict secrecy.

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    Just as a bit of background. My initial reasoning for going was to do with the ulcerlative colitis I was hit with last year. Id went on Gabor Mates the 4 day online retreat to understand if a trauma was involved in the physical condition. Trauma doesnt have to be anything major could be something very innocent ive interpreted incorrectly as a nipper eg went for a hug as my dads gone to turn the page on his paper and missed me altogether. He talked about the value of plant medicine to help get to stuff 'under the bonnet'.

    So for me it was initially to see if anything could be uncovered. Once I got more information I learnt that what I might be looking for may be completely different to what I get. That the plant gives you the lessons you need. So I went completely open to what ever.

    Some of the group had been through mental struggles, some just wanted to learn more, others to let go of physical pain. So interesting.

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    Today started my dieta for a trip to Peru I decided to go on. 6 ayahuasca ceremonies in 12 days. Leave on 26th. Fly into Lima then internal flight to Pucallpa then not sure how i get to the shamans village🤔

    The dieta is so i’m cleansed when i get there (basically so i don’t spend first couple of ceremonies being cleansed by the medicine)..no salt, pepper, spices, fermented food, caffiene, bevy, dairy, pork, sex from now till i leave.

    Can’t say i’m not a little nervous but as the prep takes place and each day closer we get im looking forward to it more.

    No fancy stuff just some huts compost toilets & ceremony room…If we connecting with nature may as well do it right (saying that i’ve booked into a 5 star place the day we leave the village 😅. Shamans an 82 year old great granny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalianwanda View Post
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    Today started my dieta for a trip to Peru I decided to go on. 6 ayahuasca ceremonies in 12 days. Leave on 26th. Fly into Lima then internal flight to Pucallpa then not sure how i get to the shamans village🤔

    The dieta is so i’m cleansed when i get there (basically so i don’t spend first couple of ceremonies being cleansed by the medicine)..no salt, pepper, spices, fermented food, caffiene, bevy, dairy, pork, sex from now till i leave.

    Can’t say i’m not a little nervous but as the prep takes place and each day closer we get im looking forward to it more.

    No fancy stuff just some huts compost toilets & ceremony room…If we connecting with nature may as well do it right (saying that i’ve booked into a 5 star place the day we leave the village 😅. Shamans an 82 year old great granny.
    Was wondering recently if you'd been yet.

    Looking forward to hearing your stories at the other end (no pun intended )

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    I'd quite like to try DMT.... But don't fancy the whole Ayahuasca experience.

    Hopefully it all goes well for you though.

    I look forward to your 'match report' once you get back though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Was wondering recently if you'd been yet.

    Looking forward to hearing your stories at the other end (no pun intended )
    😅 i’ll be keeping a journal so will report back with heavy editing 😅
    I did get some helpful advice from an apprentice shaman…an ayahuasca fart is never just a fart…will be watching out for that 🫠😳😁
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    I'd quite like to try DMT.... But don't fancy the whole Ayahuasca experience.

    Hopefully it all goes well for you though.

    I look forward to your 'match report' once you get back to
    I’ve tried it a handful of times but looking back i was probably trying it for a high. Going on the trip isn’t for the high but for healing. DMTs in aya but the leaves (from my understanding) slow things right down. I saw an mma fighter talking about the difference the other day with aya taking you a treck down a canyon….dmt is like a bungee in and out 😅 DMT effects were instant and the first time i wasn’t ready for it.

    I want the ceremony and the security i’m doing it safely and with intent. DMT was amazing i far preferred hauchuma with a guide (not tried ayahuasca before)

    match report mid december 👍😊

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    Match Report Part 1

    So Im back a few days from Peru & the whole thing was way more in every way I could have hoped for or imagined. It was also way more challenging both physically & mentally. I feel great but still a bit fragile. This week Ive been taking stock of everything, reflecting on what I was shown and what it means for me.

    I thought I do a bit of an update on my two weeks dieta (A master plant dieta, sometimes referred to as a shamanic dieta is a complex, strict and rigorous system through which a teacher plant transmit healing, protection, guidance and sacred knowledge to the participant). Just explaining a bit about how it all worked & then when Im ready I’ll talk a wee bit about my experience (obviously not going into too much detail as it was highly personal but I can give a general gist). Doing this is also kinda helps me get my own thoughts in order, there was so much on every level to take in.

    My first stop was Lima for the night then the following morning flew to Pacullpa. First thing I noticed when I got off the plane what the change in temp. Lima was around 21 but getting off an hour and a half later the temperature was 36! HereI met the rest of the group and we stayed in a gorgeous eco hotel for 2 days till we were ready to travel to the Shepibo tribal village that was to be our home for the dieta (the dieta was basically the commitment we were making to the master plant recommend to us for the weeks of the ceremony and after that too. This included the food we ate, the way we interacted with others, the way we conducted ourselves in and out of the ceremonies).

    I’d done some prep before turning up. I’d cut out or cut down on salt, spices, fermented foods, oils, caffeine, booze, synthetic drugs & sex for the previous 4 weeks. Little did I know I hadn’t been severe enough in my prep! We had a translator and we each took it in turns to go and meet the shaman (she was around 5 ft tall and somewhere between 75 & 80. I was told she had been learning since age 13! I was assigned Noya Rao as my master plant “The Flying Plant Spirit.” I would drink a small amount of this each evening for 3 nights.

    So you diet Noya Rao as its linked with creating greater capacity for organised thought, mental clarity, activate one’s intuitive capacities and helping to bring to light unconscious assumptions one may have about the world; in turn leading the dietero (a) to develop the courage necessary*to abandon limiting beliefs and change their perceptions. Sounds good to me :-) Ayahuasca that we took at each of the ceremonies is the vehicle to help us connect & learn from the master plant.

    So now I had my master plant I was all set to start. I mentioned the food part of the dieta was very severe. Our meals were the same each day. On non ceremony days we had a breakfast of a boiled spud, porridge & a banana/plantine hot drink called chappo (this turned out to be a group favourite because it was the least bland thing we ate). Lunch would be steamed/boiled veg, yucca, plain rice & a fish each from the river. Dinner was a ‘broth’ which was basically water and veg. On ceremony days we had breakfast then broth for lunch and fasted for the rest of the day. No snacks were allowed & all we could drink was water (luckily the village had a spring 130m underground so the water was drinkable). Later on in the week I extended my fast to 48hrs.

    On the first day at 6.30am before we started the diet all had to cleanse further. We met outside the kitchen hut & were given a plant medicine called yawapanga. We were told to down it then start drinking as much water as we could. Eventually projectile vomit happened then were told to keep drinking water, another projectile, more water, another one…Till we did 5! I was wrecked after that and that was only the start of it……Hadnt even had my first breakfast but yes my belly was certainly cleansed
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    Fascinating stuff, looking forward to the rest. I appreciate a lot of it will be ineffable.

    I’m booked into an Ayahuasca Retreat near Barcelona at the end of March. Did contemplate Peru but thought Barcelona might be a bit more inexpensive and less daunting for my 1st. It’s a 6 day retreat involving 4 Ayahuasca ceremonies and 1 Bufo Alvarius amongst other things.

    Have you read, “How to Change Your Mnd” by Michael Pollan? There’s a documentary of the same name on Netflix, also by the author.

    Anyway, glad you’ve survived. That’s the first tick for me, lol.

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    Fascinating stuff, looking forward to the rest. I appreciate a lot of it will be ineffable.

    I’m booked into an Ayahuasca Retreat near Barcelona at the end of March. Did contemplate Peru but thought Barcelona might be a bit more inexpensive and less daunting for my 1st. It’s a 6 day retreat involving 4 Ayahuasca ceremonies and 1 Bufo Alvarius amongst other things.

    Have you read, “How to Change Your Mnd” by Michael Pollan? There’s a documentary of the same name on Netflix, also by the author.

    Anyway, glad you’ve survived. That’s the first tick for me, lol.
    Nice one! Sure you’re gonna have an amazing time, it’s quite the teacher 😅 There’s was one guy in our group staying for 3months!

    I’ll mention it in the next post but doing it in thick jungle with a shaman with direct knowledge lineage of thousands of years made connection to the plant sooo strong. I’d really recommend Peru & the pretty strict dieta we did compared to some i heard of.

    I’d certainly recommend being strict with the diet at least a couple of weeks before, it really makes all the difference as i saw at our one.

    Not read that but someone mentioned it to me, i certainly give the show a watch. I’ve his audiobook ‘This is your mind on plants’ still to get through. I’d highly recommended’Ayahuasca:soul medicine of the amazon jungle - javier reguiro’ especially the audiobook…gave me lots of great advice before i went.👍

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    Nice one 😉 First one was easiest to write, things start getting a bit harder to put into words 😅

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    Nice one! Sure you’re gonna have an amazing time, it’s quite the teacher 😅 There’s was one guy in our group staying for 3months!

    I’ll mention it in the next post but doing it in thick jungle with a shaman with direct knowledge lineage of thousands of years made connection to the plant sooo strong. I’d really recommend Peru & the pretty strict dieta we did compared to some i heard of.

    I’d certainly recommend being strict with the diet at least a couple of weeks before, it really makes all the difference as i saw at our one.

    Not read that but someone mentioned it to me, i certainly give the show a watch. I’ve his audiobook ‘This is your mind on plants’ still to get through. I’d highly recommended’Ayahuasca:soul medicine of the amazon jungle - javier reguiro’ especially the audiobook…gave me lots of great advice before i went.👍
    I think I’ll build myself up to the 3 month one, ha.

    Yeah, definitely plan to do the de-tox diet thing at least 4 weeks before going. I have a Zoom call with the guide at the start of January so will probably learn more about that then but I think it’s similar to what you described above.

    Book ordered, was looking for one anyway

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    This sounds absolutely terrifying to me.

    Hope it goes well for you.

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    Fascinating stuff, looking forward to the rest. I appreciate a lot of it will be ineffable.

    I’m booked into an Ayahuasca Retreat near Barcelona at the end of March. Did contemplate Peru but thought Barcelona might be a bit more inexpensive and less daunting for my 1st. It’s a 6 day retreat involving 4 Ayahuasca ceremonies and 1 Bufo Alvarius amongst other things.

    Have you read, “How to Change Your Mnd” by Michael Pollan? There’s a documentary of the same name on Netflix, also by the author.

    Anyway, glad you’ve survived. That’s the first tick for me, lol.
    That's a very interesting watch. I think I mentioned it on the Anxiety & Depression thread.

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    That's a very interesting watch. I think I mentioned it on the Anxiety & Depression thread.
    Very much so, easy watch too. I’d read the book a couple of years before the documentary series came out, it’s a very open minded look at the history of psychedelics, how they were always supposed to be mental health medicines until Timothy Leary antagonised Nixon, the subsequent battle to rid them of their “far out” stigma and where we are now.

    It also chronicles Michael’s trepidations as he tries some of them. Michael’s a scientist in his 60s, it’s not like he’s some high-chasing Jim Morrison type, which gives both the series and book resonance.

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    Posted this on the Anxiety and Depression thread, but I thought some on here might be interested:-

    I know that some on here are interested in the use of psychedelics in dealing with mental health issues.

    A friend of mine has arranged this event, to discuss exactly that, with a Parliamentary event immediately afterwards.

    https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/psych...s-512018159097
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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Posted this on the Anxiety and Depression thread, but I thought some on here might be interested:-

    I know that some on here are interested in the use of psychedelics in dealing with mental health issues.

    A friend of mine has arranged this event, to discuss exactly that, with a Parliamentary event immediately afterwards.

    https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/psych...s-512018159097
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