Tories are still lying *******s

[lapsedhibee]

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So when he said it wouldn't happen again, he meant that he'd change the rules so that it would no longer be a problem for him when he does it again. Anyone who thinks Johnson is good for the country needs to take a long look at what he's doing.



https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/stat...mfXjWR5TMMP9gA

So when the Parliamentary investigation finds that he lied to the HoC, Johnson can now say So What? Completely normal country.

[James310]

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So when the Parliamentary investigation finds that he lied to the HoC, Johnson can now say So What? Completely normal country.

Erm isn't that exactly what happened in Scotland?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ommittee-finds

[Stairway 2 7]

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So when he said it wouldn't happen again, he meant that he'd change the rules so that it would no longer be a problem for him when he does it again. Anyone who thinks Johnson is good for the country needs to take a long look at what he's doing.



https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/stat...mfXjWR5TMMP9gA

How does the government have the power to do this though. Shouldn't it be like a cross party panel. Actually unbelievable

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How does the government have the power to do this though. Shouldn't it be like a cross party panel. Actually unbelievable

I think it has to do with the Henry VIII legislation that was introduced during COVID where large numbers of powers were transferred from Parliament to the Government. But I could be wrong.

Here's an interesting snippet on the changes to the Ministerial Code. Look at what has been removed:

[lapsedhibee]

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Erm is that exactly what happened in Scotland?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ommittee-finds

Erm no. I was talking about Johnson being found to have lied to Parliament, and the link you've given makes it clear that Sturgeon was found not to have deliberately misled the Scottish Parliament.

[James310]

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Erm no. I was talking about Johnson being found to have lied to Parliament, and the link you've given makes it clear that Sturgeon was found not to have deliberately misled the Scottish Parliament.

Yes, you are correct. It is different.

[ronaldo7]

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Erm isn't that exactly what happened in Scotland?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ommittee-finds

Theirs that word, knowingly, again.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I think it has to do with the Henry VIII legislation that was introduced during COVID where large numbers of powers were transferred from Parliament to the Government. But I could be wrong.

Here's an interesting snippet on the changes to the Ministerial Code. Look at what has been removed:

Just a guide now 😆 thank god doctors don't take Hippocratic Oath as just a wee guide

[Keith_M]

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https://news.sky.com/story/paul-holm...andal-12622491


I found a Tory with a moral compass.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-since-1970s/

No going to pay for subscription for the horrible paper. But noticed the headline was similar to what I was saying earlier, about old school tories not happy with bailouts when it's to the public.


"This is the most economically Left-wing government we've had since the 1970s"

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm going to give them credit for the help with winter fuel bills. Yes, it's a cynical U-Turn designed to take the heat off of Bozo, but it's welcome nonetheless. What matters is that millions of families will receive much needed help. If Boris wasn't such an incompetent liar, it wouldn't have happened, so well done Bozo.

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I'm going to give them credit for the help with winter fuel bills. Yes, it's a cynical U-Turn designed to take the heat off of Bozo, but it's welcome nonetheless. What matters is that millions of families will receive much needed help. If Boris wasn't such an incompetent liar, it wouldn't have happened, so well done Bozo.

I refer the honorable member to the post earlier in this thread.

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https://twitter.com/MarinaPurkiss/st...w2fPZgAbQ&s=19

Trickanomics

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I refer the honorable member to the post earlier in this thread.

Certainly a valid point for those on Universal Credit, agreed, and it was outrageous to remove the £20 uplift from those people. However, many of the households getting the winter fuel help aren't on UC; many are the working poor and it will be a big help. It's much better than the £200 winter loan that was the previous policy.

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Found this interesting. Shows the growing amount on low paid jobs and universal credit, although covid might change the graph

[hibsbollah]

Another gem from Marina Hyde...

if you’ve been sitting in your metaphorical cop car staking out Downing Street for six months, you now have jack **** to show for it bar severe doughnut-induced arterial hardening. And I should probably tell you that while you were waiting, like a coiled Krispy Kreme, the government junked its obesity strategy, so … thoughts and prayers. Oh, and while you were reading this, the prime minister changed the ministerial code so ministers accused of breaking it – eg him – don’t have to resign. ****finger strikes again! Seriously, everything he touches ...

No drive, no spine, very little vision: even science can’t explain the creatures clinging on to Johnson | Marina Hyde | The Guardian

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The Times reports that Downing Street had access to drafts of Sue Gray's report in advance and intervened to get details of the Abba party in Boris Johnson's flat removed.

[Just Alf]

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I suppose they're lucky the ministerial code has been tweaked or they could have been in real trouble

[Keith_M]

We have a Government system where there are no consequences whatsoever for the Prime Minister, or any of his Cabinet, for blatantly lying to Parliament.... but an MP can be censured for simply saying that the Prime Minister lied to Parliament, even if it's true.


What a messed up version of democracy we have.

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Just saw a report on the news saying that a young couple in Lewisham, were sent home after the hospital staff had told them their babies heart had stopped beating. The girl then gave birth at home (15weeks). They then took the foetus in a box to A&E, where the staff told them their was nothing they could do for them. The husband then took the foetus home and put it in the fridge as they Hospital said they'd no room.

Absolutely deplorable from the staff.

Is this what it's come to?

Surely someone could have stepped in and helped them.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=uxbndlbing

Can't blame the tories for this isolated gutting incident.

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Can't blame the tories for this isolated gutting incident.

I think that's debatable, as the Tory squeeze on NHS funding is being felt across the country. Of course, I have no idea if this sad incident was consequent on NHS constraints.

I do however think that if this had happened in Glasgow, many in our Scottish press including the lamentable BBC Scotland, would be pushing this story as another example of SNP bad. That's just an opinion, of course.

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Can't blame the tories for this isolated gutting incident.

Is it an isolated incident or a series of systems failures leading to this unfortunate case? Add to that clinical staff shortages, ambulance shortages etc. serving a University hospital and you have a NHS that's not fit for purpose in the capital of the UK.

[ronaldo7]

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Can't blame the tories for this isolated gutting incident.

I blamed the staff. I'm sure some of them are Tories though.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Can't blame the tories for this isolated gutting incident.

Just out of interest, if you can't blame the tories who've been in government for 12 years now and have watched over the deterioration of the NHS, then who is to blame?

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Just out of interest, if you can't blame the tories who've been in government for 12 years now and have watched over the deterioration of the NHS, then who is to blame?

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It's an isolated incident, tories can be blamed for the general trend which is incidentally pish. Was there not incidents at the new Glasgow hospital and covered up deaths, I wouldn't blame snp for that either.

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I blamed the staff. I'm sure some of them are Tories though.

Why on this thread then if it wasn't about the tories

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/queen-...the%20problems.

A culture of cover up: “I believed the doctors when they said my baby’s was an isolated case. Now I feel like a fool.”

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Why on this thread then if it wasn't about the tories

You're right. I've found an NHS thread on the other pages of the forum. Watch out though, it also has traces of Tories.

[Stairway 2 7]

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You're right. I've found an NHS thread on the other pages of the forum. Watch out though, it also has traces of Tories.

Good they treat the NHS like dirt

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https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/queen-...the%20problems.

A culture of cover up: “I believed the doctors when they said my baby’s was an isolated case. Now I feel like a fool.”

QED. In Scotland, it's a political story.

[Stairway 2 7]

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QED. In Scotland, it's a political story.

Which is wrong. Don't lower yourself to their level, there is mountains of wrongs the tories have done