SNP are lying b******s as well !

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It's The Times reporting a poll, not The Times saying it themselves.

You're surely not as naive as all that?

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When you say it's a success of devolution. Do you mean the devolution we were given in 1999, or the devolution as it stands now?

We know it's evolved over the last 20 years but it seems to be going into reverse, with tory ministers from London dabbling in devolved areas of responsibility, and taking control from Scottish ministers.

Lord hope of craighead, former first deputy of the Supreme Court, speaking on the internal market bill.

"The devolved powers are rendered worthless by this new system. UK ministers are given powers to do things which contravene the devolution settlements without consultation let alone consent".

In other words, we're not getting more powers, the Tories are taking them away.

I think Scotland has more powers now than it ever has, allowing to make the changes to the Social security system you applauded. Do you have any specific examples of powers being taken away from the Scottish Parliament? Or were they powers that Brussels had that have now gone to Westminster?

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You're surely not as naive as all that?

So are you saying the poll is rigged? The people they asked were lying or the figure for Yes was higher but they deliberately made it lower than it really was?

I am not sure what you mean?

If a YouGov poll came out showing support for Independence was higher would you believe that poll? Why?

[ronaldo7]

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I think Scotland has more powers now than it ever has, allowing to make the changes to the Social security system you applauded. Do you have any specific examples of powers being taken away from the Scottish Parliament? Or were they powers that Brussels had that have now gone to Westminster?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gov.scot/news/devolution-being-fundamentally-undermined/&ved=2ahUKEwi7kbeQofr3AhXwgf0HHaMKBNYQFnoECAQQAQ&u sg=AOvVaw1V6iQoYYtSA9JUM7bRRIQ9

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gov.scot/news/devolution-being-fundamentally-undermined/&ved=2ahUKEwi7kbeQofr3AhXwgf0HHaMKBNYQFnoECAQQAQ&u sg=AOvVaw1V6iQoYYtSA9JUM7bRRIQ9

That's basically a SNP press release.

Lots of could do this, could do that.

Is there one power that the Scottish Parliament had before but now doesn't have?

[Ozyhibby]

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That's basically a SNP press release.

Lots of could do this, could do that.

Is there one power that the Scottish Parliament had before but now doesn't have?

The Scottish parliament used to have full control of transport infrastructure and now it doesn’t.


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The Scottish parliament used to have full control of transport infrastructure and now it doesn’t.


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Could not see that in the Government papers and struggling to see anything about this. If true then it's wrong and the power should be handed back to the Scottish Parliament.

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Could not see that in the Government papers and struggling to see anything about this. If true then it's wrong and the power should be handed back to the Scottish Parliament.

It’s not going to be though.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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Could not see that in the Government papers and struggling to see anything about this. If true then it's wrong and the power should be handed back to the Scottish Parliament.

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,crossborder-rail-a1-and-a75-improvements-backed-by-longawaited-uk-transport-review


Westminster decision to upgrade roads which are the responsibility of transport Scotland???


Even though it will benefit Scotland it is a devolved power which has been taken back by Westminster!

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https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,crossborder-rail-a1-and-a75-improvements-backed-by-longawaited-uk-transport-review


Westminster decision to upgrade roads which are the responsibility of transport Scotland???


Even though it will benefit Scotland it is a devolved power which has been taken back by Westminster!

Not really, the Scottish Government can still do what it wants. I am sure the people who use that road every day are delighted the UK Government is doing it.

It's not really a power that was held but has been taken away, it's different to that.

I don't share the outrage the UK Government is spending money in the UK to improve the lives of people in the UK.

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Not really, the Scottish Government can still do what it wants. I am sure the people who use that road every day are delighted the UK Government is doing it.

It's not really a power that was held but has been taken away, it's different to that.

I don't share the outrage the UK Government is spending money in the UK to improve the lives of people in the UK.

Probably a good thing as let’s be honest the track record for transport has been less than acceptable

Planes … Prestwick ….Shambles
Boats ……Ferries……….Shambles
Trains…….Scotrail……..Shambles

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Not really, the Scottish Government can still do what it wants. I am sure the people who use that road every day are delighted the UK Government is doing it.

It's not really a power that was held but has been taken away, it's different to that.

I don't share the outrage the UK Government is spending money in the UK to improve the lives of people in the UK.

You claimed that you couldn't find any information on devolved powers being taken back by Westminster, that's just one example.


Here is a longer list


https://www.gov.scot/news/devolution-being-fundamentally-undermined/

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Probably a good thing as let’s be honest the track record for transport has been less than acceptable

Planes … Prestwick ….Shambles
Boats ……Ferries……….Shambles
Trains…….Scotrail……..Shambles

Cars..... Queensferry Crossing.... Success
Cars..... A9 dualling.... Success so far (3 further dual carriageway sections opened)

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Probably a good thing as let’s be honest the track record for transport has been less than acceptable

Planes … Prestwick ….Shambles
Boats ……Ferries……….Shambles
Trains…….Scotrail……..Shambles

Is Prestwick a shambles?
Is Scotrail the fault of the SG? Surely too early to pass judgement on nationalisation? What’s it been, 3 months?

I’m sure you and James310 are happy enough for these power to go back to Westminster. That’s fine. There will be more power heading that way in years to come to keep you happy.


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I don't share the outrage the UK Government is spending money in the UK to improve the lives of people in the UK.

So you don't agree that devolution should be in place? You can't say you're happy with devolution and at the same time be happy when devoted powers are unilaterally removed?

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So you don't agree that devolution should be in place? You can't say you're happy with devolution and at the same time be happy when devoted powers are unilaterally removed?

Devolution is a good thing, when it works. The long list of things you published shows that.

I am still not seeing any specific powers that the Scottish Parliament had that has been removed. Yes the UK Gov is spending money on things that are devolved and I can see why some might not like that, but the people benefiting from the upgraded road are absolutely fine with it I am sure.

I am sure if the UK Gov do take powers away and people don't like it then it will only drive support for Independence.

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Is Prestwick a shambles?
Is Scotrail the fault of the SG? Surely too early to pass judgement on nationalisation? What’s it been, 3 months?

I’m sure you and James310 are happy enough for these power to go back to Westminster. That’s fine. There will be more power heading that way in years to come to keep you happy.


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£50m of tax payers money ploughed in which will never be returned is pretty shambolic IMHO

Presently Scotrail is worse than ever …but you are correct this will need months if not years to rectify the many faults inherited

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I am still not seeing any specific powers that the Scottish Parliament had that has been removed. Yes the UK Gov is spending money on things that are devolved ...

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So are you saying the poll is rigged? The people they asked were lying or the figure for Yes was higher but they deliberately made it lower than it really was?

I am not sure what you mean?

If a YouGov poll came out showing support for Independence was higher would you believe that poll? Why?

'The source/paper/pundit etc doesn't align with my own political ideology therefore I choose to ignore it' riposte has always been a lazy get-out.

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'The source/paper/pundit etc doesn't align with my own political ideology therefore I choose to ignore it' riposte has always been a lazy get-out.

You may see it as a lazy get out. I see it as a rational approach to whether I waste my time on biased right wing media who choose to follow an agenda to skew the messaging in the direction that suits their owners.

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I think Scotland has more powers now than it ever has, allowing to make the changes to the Social security system you applauded. Do you have any specific examples of powers being taken away from the Scottish Parliament? Or were they powers that Brussels had that have now gone to Westminster?

We're not making changes to the social security system, we've built a new one as the Westminster one is out of date, well, according to the chancellor it is.

It looks like many posts showing how the UK Gov are trying to dictate what happens in devolved areas have been brought to the fore in my coffee break absence.

The Tories didn't want devolution from the start, and they're continuing to try to undermine it again.

Next up GM crops.

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We're not making changes to the social security system, we've built a new one as the Westminster one is out of date, well, according to the chancellor it is.

It looks like many posts showing how the UK Gov are trying to dictate what happens in devolved areas have been brought to the fore in my coffee break absence.

The Tories didn't want devolution from the start, and they're continuing to try to undermine it again.

Next up GM crops.

When you say we've built a new social social security system, am I correct in saying they have adopted the exact same points system for new PIP claimants (think this benefit now has new name), but have made it more compassionate for existing claimants by not subjecting them to continual reviews? Happy to be corrected.

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When you say we've built a new social social security system, am I correct in saying they have adopted the exact same points system for new PIP claimants (think this benefit now has new name), but have made it more compassionate for existing claimants by not subjecting them to continual reviews? Happy to be corrected.

You're correct on the more compassionate by not subjecting people to continual reviews.

Someone else will have to help you with the first part re PIP, as we no longer have to go through the process.

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Cars..... Queensferry Crossing.... Success
Cars..... A9 dualling.... Success so far (3 further dual carriageway sections opened)

I'm not saying it wasn't a success, but what makes QFC a success or not?

I know it hasn't fallen down... But it does seem to be closed often due to ice and often has bottlenecks causing traffic on the lead up to the bridge.

FWIW I like the bridge, and think it compliments the others nicely.

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You're correct on the more compassionate by not subjecting people to continual reviews.

Someone else will have to help you with the first part re PIP, as we no longer have to go through the process.

I think it's called a Disability payment now. I don't have a source but do recall reading it's the same points based system. Imo if we want to take a more compassionate approach, this should apply to both new and existing claimants. This was the chance to do so and an opportunity missed. Depending on where you stay, people will still be going through the process. This new benefit won't be rolled out in Edinburgh or Glasgow until August.

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I'm not saying it wasn't a success, but what makes QFC a success or not?

I know it hasn't fallen down... But it does seem to be closed often due to ice and often has bottlenecks causing traffic on the lead up to the bridge.

FWIW I like the bridge, and think it compliments the others nicely.

Bottlenecks will always be there because it’s only two lane. The funding of a large part of the bridge came from the EU but from a fund that only allowed for a replacement. As the old bridge only had two lanes then the new one could only have two lanes. Anymore would be seen as an upgrade and the money would not have been available. The only difference is that it was allowed a hard shoulder which the old one did not have.


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I'm not saying it wasn't a success, but what makes QFC a success or not?

I know it hasn't fallen down... But it does seem to be closed often due to ice and often has bottlenecks causing traffic on the lead up to the bridge.

FWIW I like the bridge, and think it compliments the others nicely.

How many days has it been closed since it opened?

Did it come in on/ under budget?

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I think it's called a Disability payment now. I don't have a source but do recall reading it's the same points based system. Imo if we want to take a more compassionate approach, this should apply to both new and existing claimants. This was the chance to do so and an opportunity missed. Depending on where you stay, people will still be going through the process. This new benefit won't be rolled out in Edinburgh or Glasgow until August.

I'd like to think that the MSPs will find a way to ensure we treat all those applying the same. It's at an early stage in the process and can be tweaked, just as long as the UK Gov don't get involved in another devolved matter.

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I'd like to think that the MSPs will find a way to ensure we treat all those applying the same. It's at an early stage in the process and can be tweaked, just as long as the UK Gov don't get involved in another devolved matter.

I suspect you're right, MSP's will get a fair bit of correspondence re: new claims. The point though is they have had years to plan for taking on this new power and it seems awfy like they've opted for a similar system for new claimants to the chronically unfair existing one. We shall see how this pans out.

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I suspect you're right, MSP's will get a fair bit of correspondence re: new claims. The point though is they have had years to plan for taking on this new power and it seems awfy like they've opted for a similar system for new claimants to the chronically unfair existing one. We shall see how this pans out.

As the chancellor said, the system was antiquated. I take your point re new claimants though. Good to feed back.