SNP are lying b******s as well !

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If your final sentence is aimed at me then I already stated earlier that I do not point the finger at the Scottish Government, it’s the system which allows excessive payouts of tax payers money to some and not for others who imho suffered with greater injuries

Not aimed at you, but wondered what it's got to do with the Scottish Government or indeed the SNP.

The police federation should probably be making more of an effort on behalf of its members who are injured in the line of duty though.

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New leaked report reveals £250m ferries may never sail:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/

No wonder Sturgeon's found an excuse to jet off to the US...

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https://www.polfed.org/northyorks/about-us/injury-on-duty/


The second paragraph leaps out. Plus ambulance chasing lawyers will fight for compensation.

The policewoman who suffered mental health issues because of the misogyny and sexual discrimination left the police because she was unable to continue under the conditions she faced so took the police to to an industrial tribunal, perhaps others should as well.


Obviously none of that is laid at the door of the Scottish Government but is endemic in police forces across the UK.

Ambulance chasing lawyers or lawyers that help poor people?
The law is there to help everyone, even those who don’t know they need it.
If either of my kids go into law I would be proud if they became ‘Ambulance chasers’.


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Natalie McGarry: Former SNP MP found guilty of embezzling £25,000 - BBC News

I didn't follow the first trial closely, but having read more about this one it seems reasonable to suggest that she wasn't somebody who was really cut out for a position of responsibility and the demands that brings. Whether or not that's the case it's been a very sorry saga and presumably she now faces a prison sentence?

I did the first stage of my accountancy exams with her husband until he failed them repeatedly, left his job (probably asked to leave), and then concentrated on politics (he’s a Tory councillor in Glasgow). He was a very strange character. He seems to be sticking by her by the look of it. I’m surprised as it can’t look good for him - he stepped down as leader of Glasgow tories “for family reasons”.

Always struck me that they made a strange couple being so different politically.

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Ambulance chasing lawyers or lawyers that help poor people?
The law is there to help everyone, even those who don’t know they need it.
If either of my kids go into law I would be proud if they became ‘Ambulance chasers’.


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Maybe the wrong phrase, but when I was looking for the link I posted it was preceded by ones for lawyers offering no win no fee compensation claims.

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Maybe the wrong phrase, but when I was looking for the link I posted it was preceded by ones for lawyers offering no win no fee compensation claims.

I know, I just feel those lawyers get a raw deal. They are the only type of lawyers most people can afford and yet they are somehow seen as less prestigious than the lawyers in big corporate firms helping oligarchs, gangsters and dictators hide their money.


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I know, I just feel those lawyers get a raw deal. They are the only type of lawyers most people can afford and yet they are somehow seen as less prestigious than the lawyers in big corporate firms helping oligarchs, gangsters and dictators hide their money.


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Dealt with both most of my working life, the existence of the big corporates and their wealthy clients coupled with the difficulty poor, or at least not very wealthy, have in getting access to affordable law means there's always a place for no win no fee arrangements, and all the other derogatory terms thrown at them.

For what it's worth I say that from a mostly corporate and defendant angle.

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I’m not saying you don’t keep prison as a last resort. I just think we over use it at the moment.

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I agree with your views on the lack of effectiveness of custodial sentences. It's curious though that many members of the public see prison as not being used enough. Evident in some of the sometimes quite rabid comments on newspaper articles about convictions.

Working in forensic psychology a few years ago it seemed clear to me that prison was not really the answer and that more importantly this was a generally held view in the Ministry of Justice. Recall there were many studies and initiatives regarding diversion practices designed as alternatives to prison at that time and I'd imagine that's still the case.

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New leaked report reveals £250m ferries may never sail:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/

No wonder Sturgeon's found an excuse to jet off to the US...

So the first minister should be personally responsible for over seeing shipyards and inspecting these ferries herself?

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New leaked report reveals £250m ferries may never sail:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/

No wonder Sturgeon's found an excuse to jet off to the US...

I know this will be badged as whataboutery but you don't seem too upset about the Ajax armoured vehicles, HS2, Crossrail, the aircraft carriers, NHS computer system etc etc etc etc etc. The ferries hasn't been handled well at all but for **** sake get a bit of perspective. Every single one if those is way way more over spent than the ferries. In fact let's have a look at PPE, track and trace during the pandemic. I don't see you all over those issues. As I say this is not excusing what has gone in with the ferries but you are like a dog with a bone about it while ignoring everything else

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So the first minister should be personally responsible for over seeing shipyards and inspecting these ferries herself?

The buck stops with her (as she's admitted, though Mackay is being made the scapegoat).

Full sorry saga well summarised here:

https://www.theweek.co.uk/business/956731/scotland-ongoing-ferry-fiasco-explained

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I know this will be badged as whataboutery but you don't seem too upset about the Ajax armoured vehicles, HS2, Crossrail, the aircraft carriers, NHS computer system etc etc etc etc etc. The ferries hasn't been handled well at all but for **** sake get a bit of perspective. Every single one if those is way way more over spent than the ferries. In fact let's have a look at PPE, track and trace during the pandemic. I don't see you all over those issues. As I say this is not excusing what has gone in with the ferries but you are like a dog with a bone about it while ignoring everything else

It's an SNP bashing thread.

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It's an SNP bashing thread.

Any sign of you talking about these things on the Tory thread then? Hypocrite. I am happy to criticise the Scottish government over ferries but you are completely blinkered about everything else

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SNP have been in power for 15 years. Shirley it's their fault that sexism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, and sectarianism haven't been entirely stamped out of society by now?

'Scotland is a racist country'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61455683

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Any sign of you talking about these things on the Tory thread then? Hypocrite. I am happy to criticise the Scottish government over ferries but you are completely blinkered about everything else

I don't think any of the issues you listed have been handled well, but my time on here tends to be limited and it seems to me there's plenty Tory bashing to go around, so I'll tend to proritise the SNP bashing.

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I don't think any of the issues you listed have been handled well, but my time on here tends to be limited and it seems to me there's plenty Tory bashing to go around, so I'll tend to proritise the SNP bashing.

Good for you. Hypocrite

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The buck stops with her (as she's admitted, though Mackay is being made the scapegoat).

Full sorry saga well summarised here:

https://www.theweek.co.uk/business/956731/scotland-ongoing-ferry-fiasco-explained

So she’s admitted and accepted the buck stops with her but you’re still twisting the knife? Seems fair. At least she, unlike her conservative counter parts, actually admits fault and takes blame.

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I am pleased she won her case but I find the compensation amount disgusting compared to what others received, my former colleague got shot in the face which blinded him for life, this effected his mental health, he self medicated with alcohol, his marriage collapsed and he committed suicide … his compensation award was not even a 20th of that figure.

Sorry to hear about your friend, however the two systems are not the same. Maybe the victims of crime system needs updating. Is shouldn't take away from the pain and suffering felt by the police woman.

Meanwhile, the misogynists need to be rooted out, for good. I'm sure they've started.

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Good for you. Hypocrite

I think you maybe take this more seriously than me. There's no forum rule that states if you criticise the SNP you then have to pop over to the Tory thread and level things up. Or vice versa. Everyone knows the Westminster government have presided over a series of shambles, but I find it depressing that for as long as Boris Johnson is PM the SNP's own uninspiring standards of governance can be 'whatabouteried' away. As somebody else pointed out earlier on this thread being the 'least worst' option is a sorry reflection on the current standard of UK politics.

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New leaked report reveals £250m ferries may never sail:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/

No wonder Sturgeon's found an excuse to jet off to the US...

Sturgeon.....20220510_074901.jpg

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I think you maybe take this more seriously than me. There's no forum rule that states if you criticise the SNP you then have to pop over to the Tory thread and level things up. Or vice versa. Everyone knows the Westminster government have presided over a series of shambles, but I find it depressing that for as long as Boris Johnson is PM the SNP's own uninspiring standards of governance can be 'whatabouteried' away. As somebody else pointed out earlier on this thread being the 'least worst' option is a sorry reflection on the current standard of UK politics.

As I say. Complete and utter hypocrite. You do not ever criticise anything the Tories do. I am happy to criticise the Scottish government on ferries, education, anything I feel they could do better on. But you are just a constant rash over anything snp but not ever anything UK government or Tories. Try being balanced

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As I say. Complete and utter hypocrite. You do not ever criticise anything the Tories do. I am happy to criticise the Scottish government on ferries, education, anything I feel they could do better on. But you are just a constant rash over anything snp but not ever anything UK government or Tories. Try being balanced

This obviously riles you.

Believe it or not I regard myself as pretty balanced on here when it comes to remaining polite and respecting other opinions. I just happen to loathe the SNP and what they stand for. Doesn't mean I think the UK government is above criticism, far from it. It seems extraordinary that they look like soldiering on with Boris Johnson until the next election - although even more extraordinary is the fact Labour do not as yet appear to be sure of beating him.

There are what, a dozen or so regular posters on here (a sub-forum of a Hibs fans messageboard)? It's hardly a platform for setting the world to rights and for me it's mostly just a chance to sound off on issues which annoy me (and a few which don't). Whether or not I balance what annoys me about the SNP with what annoys me about the Tories doesn't seem that big a deal.

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This obviously riles you.

Believe it or not I regard myself as pretty balanced on here when it comes to remaining polite and respecting other opinions. I just happen to loathe the SNP and what they stand for. Doesn't mean I think the UK government is above criticism, far from it. It seems extraordinary that they look like soldiering on with Boris Johnson until the next election - although even more extraordinary is the fact Labour do not as yet appear to be sure of beating him.

There are what, a dozen or so regular posters on here (a sub-forum of a Hibs fans messageboard)? It's hardly a platform for setting the world to rights and for me it's mostly just a chance to sound off on issues which annoy me (and a few which don't). Whether or not I balance what annoys me about the SNP with what annoys me about the Tories doesn't seem that big a deal.

At least you admit that your postings are derived from a laothing of the SNP. Best ignored then as someone who will never be balanced no matter how much you try to say you are. As I say 100% hypocrite

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'Scotland is a racist country'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61455683

https://www.thenational.scot/news/20127236.sheku-bayoh-police-scotland-accused-racism-incompetence/


Or maybe just police Scotland


Meanwhile.... https://www.thenational.scot/news/20139746.english-nationalism-issue-not-inclusive-approach-yessers-scotland-expert-says/

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At least you admit that your postings are derived from a laothing of the SNP. Best ignored then as someone who will never be balanced no matter how much you try to say you are. As I say 100% hypocrite

You need to calm down chief. Hardly hypocritical. Each sides are guilty of posting swayed to one side. Most of our posting is from a loathing of the tories. The harp part is trying to be as objective as possible

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https://www.thenational.scot/news/20127236.sheku-bayoh-police-scotland-accused-racism-incompetence/


Or maybe just police Scotland


Meanwhile.... https://www.thenational.scot/news/20139746.english-nationalism-issue-not-inclusive-approach-yessers-scotland-expert-says/

Scotland obviously has racism problems like most nations, can be anti English sometimes unfortunately. I've found no matter if its US, English ,Scottish or Irish, flag ****gers are generally mental.

The more flags on their social media the worse. Good guys and ********s in every nation.

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You need to calm down chief. Hardly hypocritical. Each sides are guilty of posting swayed to one side. Most of our posting is from a loathing of the tories. The harp part is trying to be as objective as possible

Perfectly calm. Chief! He is hypocritical, there is no balance at all from any of his posts. I am happy to say that the ferries have been badly handled, education is not where it should be etc. But he's here there and everywhere in his many guises has never once criticised the Tories or UK gov as far as I can see, so yes, hypocritical.

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Perfectly calm. Chief! He is hypocritical, there is no balance at all from any of his posts. I am happy to say that the ferries have been badly handled, education is not where it should be etc. But he's here there and everywhere in his many guises has never once criticised the Tories or UK gov as far as I can see, so yes, hypocritical.

Well 90% on here must be hypocritical too, because we're mostly all biased. It would be an awful echo chamber if everyone agreed.

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Well 90% on here must be hypocritical too, because we're mostly all biased. It would be an awful echo chamber if everyone agreed.

I agree, needs all of us on all sides to make this place an enjoyable visit


What might be irritating them though is that you get the occasional 'Nicola's cheer leader ' type comment stating that no-one can admit she does anything wrong despite the evidence clearly showing that's not the case, in fact it's actually on the Tories thread you'll very rarely, if ever, find anything negative from a Tory leaning poster.

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At least you admit that your postings are derived from a laothing of the SNP. Best ignored then as someone who will never be balanced no matter how much you try to say you are. As I say 100% hypocrite

Do you not loath the Tories ? If you do is in not reasonable to assume your posts are unbalanced and you are a hypocrite too ?