What if a non-advisory referendum is held and the NO side boycotts? Shirley that result then doesn't represent the will of the people etc etc etc.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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28-04-2022 09:43 AM #781
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28-04-2022 09:59 AM #782This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It’s utter Bollox that we have to get blessed by Westminster to “allow” such a vote endorsed by the electorate of Scotland.
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28-04-2022 10:12 AM #783
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If the boot was on the other foot, for example, how would you feel if Scotland voted for independence and Edinburgh and Lothian Councils then had a separate vote that they didnt want to be part of an independent Scotland and wanted to join up with the remainder of the UK? How would you feel if they kept running that until they got the result they wanted? How could any government make any plans.
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28-04-2022 10:19 AM #784This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's really straightforward and don't know why people act like there is something underhand going on, the SNP and Greens had it in their manifesto, it's not like they have thrown in a last minute curve ball by stealth
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28-04-2022 10:23 AM #785This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The main reason though is that it's just too evenly divided. It's difficult to maintain Scotland as a UK region when almost or just over half the population don't want to be part of that state. Likewise, it's difficult to see how you can build a new state when almost or just over half the population don't want to be part of that.
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28-04-2022 10:23 AM #786
There is a growing movement in England for English independence. A fantastic idea by the way!! I saw a poll recently that of those asked 50% were in favour. This raises two points for me. 1. Who will they ask if they want to leave the union? 2. How will they get round the conundrum that is on one hand saying Scotland is a drain on their resources and on the other explaining that actually without Scotland they would lose billions in finance and what actually keeps their lights on is coming from Scotland so maybe not a great idea.
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28-04-2022 10:28 AM #787This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There are, however, very good reasons for their political class to be against it - a home for nuclear subs and security of energy supply being the main 2. Ultimately, it comes down to international willy waving. The loss of face that comes with a loss of territory is too much for them to stomach. Same thing that motivates Putin, tbh. You would hope they won't use that motivation in quite such a mad ******* way though!
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28-04-2022 10:49 AM #788
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https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2022/04/putins-war-could-be-the-undoing-of-nicola-sturgeon
The Ministry of Defence has considered, and rejected, sites in south Wales – too near oil and gas installations – and on the southern English coast – too close to busy sea lanes and heavily populated areas.
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28-04-2022 10:57 AM #789This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
All of the above are not available south of the border so no child payment, £9k a year plus IIRC 12% interest for uni, no free bus travel, no free prescriptions, no bursary for trainee nurses and a lower salary when qualified. If it's bad up here it's worse down there.
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28-04-2022 11:02 AM #790This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Weird logic in that article, mostly shot through with Marr's wishful thinking. I guess if Britain had done as good a job of Brit-ifying the Scottish population as a whole as it has done with the landed and political elites, there would be no indy movement and we'd all be quiescent North Brits.
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28-04-2022 11:27 AM #791
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We'll also have a fairer society. We'll obviously also have massive potential, hopefully inside Europe
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28-04-2022 11:28 AM #792
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I'd think devo max if was actually a thing and not pish spouted by brown, would definitely pass a referendum
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28-04-2022 12:14 PM #793This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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28-04-2022 12:15 PM #794
SNP are lying b******s as well !
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Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast edited by Ozyhibby; 28-04-2022 at 12:22 PM.
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28-04-2022 01:45 PM #795
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It's a great policy wherever it's implemented, and I'm delighted the Scottish Government have increased it to Under 22's for the whole Nation.
https://www.cityam.com/tfl-agrees-1-...ort%20operator.
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28-04-2022 04:17 PM #796This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteLess talk, more gifs.
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28-04-2022 10:04 PM #797
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Hope there is a parking charge
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NATO Nuclear submarines from three countries have converged at a naval base near Glasgow in Scotland, near the North Atlantic. There's an American 🇺🇸 Virginia class submarine and a French 🇫🇷 Rubis class submarine in addition to the British 🇬🇧 submarines based there
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28-04-2022 10:16 PM #798
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03-05-2022 09:13 PM #799
BBC: Sturgeon accused of 'lie' over ferry contract
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-61306935
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03-05-2022 09:19 PM #800This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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03-05-2022 09:22 PM #801This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It might have sounded better coming from someone who lied about his signature being on the contract.
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03-05-2022 09:26 PM #802
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So did both lie. I read on here it saved 400 jobs
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03-05-2022 09:30 PM #803This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
a spokesman for the first minister said she had been "clearly referring to the 400 people currently employed at the yard".
He added: "Those 400 jobs would not currently exist if the Scottish government had not taken the action we did to save the yard - that is a fact"
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03-05-2022 09:43 PM #804
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04-05-2022 06:39 AM #806This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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04-05-2022 07:39 AM #807This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
GGTTH
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04-05-2022 08:09 AM #808This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Proof that Jim mcColl is a liar as well!There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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04-05-2022 08:35 AM #809This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
So it is your belief that both are dishonest, yeah?
One elected, the other not accountable to the public in any way whatsoever.
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04-05-2022 08:49 AM #810This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
According to who you believed it saved either 150 or 350 jobs at the time.
The yard had 5 boats under construction at the time.
I know McColl is accusing sturgeon of lying, but all the information points to him lying. Only time and a public inquiry will tell who lied the most.There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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