Tories are still lying *******s

[Hibernia&Alba]

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I don't think they think that they will lose the next election

Please don't

[Kato]

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I posted on a You Tube video about Channel 4 privatisation that I believe this government is now indulging in a slash and burn policy. Knowing they are overseeing numerous disasters, and fearing they are going to lose heavily at the next election, they are determined to push through as many hard right policies as they can get away with before then. Another act of national vandalism, privatising Channel 4 (and privatising BBC is the real wet dream of the right) will help shore up the core Tory vote. They won't be happy until they have dismantled and flogged off everything we have to their pals.

It is vandalism. That is the point in a cultural war, knock everything down, second guess anything decent, allow people to believe that it's alright not to care about culture and your halfway there getting them not care about anything.

Look at how powerful a propaganda tool Russian TV is at the moment. That part of their population who are echoing it will swallow any old tripe, even if its bad for them. They are invested in Putin so much they can't or won't abandon their faith in him. Same with Fox, which is registered as an "entertainment" channel rather than news, and Trump.

There isn't really a direct comparison in the UK. Although GB News is the best attempt, financed be Legatum, Christopher Chandler's "think tank".

Billionaire Chandler is currently suspected of being a Russian asset.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ected-spy.html

The BBC do a decent job of not pressing the Tories too much, see how dogged they have been over the SNP ferry fiasco - whereas they might report the various covid frauds and rank ineptitude but they never persue the culprits. Which is what to takes to bring people to account.

GB News was supposed to be the Pro-Putin organ but the brand didn't gain traction and the talent just isn't there to put it across. Tucker Carlson on Fox is fully on board with Putin's actions.

There was also rumours that the triggering of Article16 was mooted at the start of Putins invasion, nice for EU relations, what's left of them. If our TV was full of bombs and fires in Ireland there wouldn't be too much room for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/Turloughc/status...ewABdfVSA&s=19



Russian money and assets smeared all over Western media, absolute rats.

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[Hibrandenburg]

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It is vandalism. That is the point in a cultural war, knock everything down, second guess anything decent, allow people to believe that it's alright not to care about culture and your halfway there getting them not care about anything.

Look at how powerful a propaganda tool Russian TV is at the moment. That part of their population who are echoing it will swallow any old tripe, even if its bad for them. They are invested in Putin so much they can't or won't abandon their faith in him. Same with Fox, which is registered as an "entertainment" channel rather than news, and Trump.

There isn't really a direct comparison in the UK. Although GB News is the best attempt, financed be Legatum, Christopher Chandler's "think tank".

Billionaire Chandler is currently suspected of being a Russian asset.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ected-spy.html

The BBC do a decent job of not pressing the Tories too much, see how dogged they have been over the SNP ferry fiasco - whereas they might report the various covid frauds and rank ineptitude but they never persue the culprits. Which is what to takes to bring people to account.

GB News was supposed to be the Pro-Putin organ but the brand didn't gain traction and the talent just isn't there to put it across. Tucker Carlson on Fox is fully on board with Putin's actions.

There was also rumours that the triggering of Article16 was mooted at the start of Putins invasion, nice for EU relations, what's left of them. If our TV was full of bombs and fires in Ireland there wouldn't be too much room for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/Turloughc/status...ewABdfVSA&s=19



Russian money and assets smeared all over Western media, absolute rats.

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And it's working just fine. Just look at the Ukraine thread and you'll see that quite a bit of that concentrates on the press and politics pointing the finger of responsibility elsewhere and at each other than at he who is ultimately responsible.



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I posted on a You Tube video about Channel 4 privatisation that I believe this government is now indulging in a slash and burn policy. Knowing they are overseeing numerous disasters, and fearing they are going to lose heavily at the next election, they are determined to push through as many hard right policies as they can get away with before then. Another act of national vandalism, privatising Channel 4 (and privatising BBC is the real wet dream of the right) will help shore up the core Tory vote. They won't be happy until they have dismantled and flogged off everything we have to their pals.

The Scottish Goverment should buy channel 4, that would be hilarious

[ronaldo7]

It looks like the Tory party and their supporters got their way, and made families poorer.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...r-finds-report

It was one of the Conservatives’ most controversial cuts: waging war on the UK’s “benefit culture” by restricting social security payments that supposedly enabled “welfare scroungers” to have large families they could ill-afford.

The two-child policy – which limits benefits payments to the first two children born to the poorest households – would, proponents argued, cut the welfare bill and bring “feckless” parents to heel by – as one minister put it – teaching them “the reality that children cost money.”

New research, however, indicates the behavioural change aspect of the policy has dismally failed. Since its introduction exactly five years ago today, the fertility rate for third and subsequent children born to poorer families has barely fallen. Instead, the main impact of the policy has been to become the biggest single driver of child poverty.

“In the absence of a behavioural fertility response to the policy, the main function of the two-child limit is to deprive families living on a low income of approximately £3,000 a year. This will inevitably lead to dramatic increases in child poverty among larger families,” said Prof Jonathan Portes, co-author of the study.

Analysis of birth records and household survey data for the study, commissioned by the Nuffield Foundation, found the policy’s introduction in 2017 led to a decline in births of third children of just 5,600 a year – fewer than 1% of the total annual births in England and Wales.

The study speculates as to why the policy has had so little behavioural impact. Unpublished research suggests over half of families were unaware of the policy before they were affected. Many large families – Orthodox Jewish and Muslim families are disproportionately affected – may ignore it for religious reasons.

The research comes as fresh estimates suggest that 1.4 million children in more than 400,000 families in the UK are affected by the two-child policy. April’s below-inflation benefits rise means affected families with three children face a £983 a month shortfall in benefits, with larger families facing an even bigger hole in their income.

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Sara Ogilvie of Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG), which produced the estimates, said: “The two-child limit is a brutal policy that punishes children simply for having brothers and sisters. It forces families to survive on less than they need, and with soaring living costs the hardship and hunger these families face will only intensify.”

Over 50% of children in families with more than two children will be in poverty by 2027, according to CPAG. Removing the policy would immediately lift 250,000 children out of poverty. Despite ministers’ “feckless claimants” rhetoric, official figures show over half of families affected are working.

The two-child policy was the brainchild of the former chancellor George Osborne, who announced it in 2015 against a backdrop of rightwing media hysteria around large families – “benefits broods” claimed to be having children primarily to exploit what was considered to be an over-generous welfare system.

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It immediately ran into problems after critics pointed out that women who gave birth to a third or subsequent child as a result of rape would be penalised under the policy. Exemptions were introduced for this and for instances of multiple births, or where families had adopted children or had kinship care arrangements.

There is evidence the two-child policy has been a key factor in many women’s decisions to have an abortion. Research has suggested it has had a devastating impact on family life, even before the current cost of living crisis, with households forced to cut back on food and heating.

It was recently savaged by Tory former welfare reform minister Lord Freud, who called it “vicious” and an “excrescence” and said it should be scrapped. He claimed the policy was forced on a reluctant Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) by the Treasury as the price of introducing universal credit.

[WhileTheChief..]

Ach, the way you guys tell it, the Conservatives face annihilation at the next election.

Don't know why you all seem so down, you should all be jumping with joy!!

[The_Exile]

I would be amazed if they wont the next election, yet we have all already witnessed the most poverty stricken in our society vote against their own survival essentially, that absolutely nothing would surprise me in politics any more.

[Kato]

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I would be amazed if they wont the next election, yet we have all already witnessed the most poverty stricken in our society vote against their own survival essentially, that absolutely nothing would surprise me in politics any more.

I think they will win it. A whole load of people have invested a lot and won't want to be seen backing down.

"Sunk Cost Fallacy" theory in effect.

"the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial"

Covers Brexit, the Tories and Trump.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Tories 4/7 on Labour 6/4 although a l9ng way to go. Tory government increases than chance of independence I'd think by a bit

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Ach, the way you guys tell it, the Conservatives face annihilation at the next election.
Don't know why you all seem so down, you should all be jumping with joy!!

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We'll never vote the Tories out while there are voters out there who relish and enjoy the pain that Tory policies bring onto others less fortunate.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I can't remember whether I've posted this before, but it's one of my all time favourite clips and never gets old. Any excuse:

[Stairway 2 7]

Anyone understand this lots of tories are tweeting, saying the least people and children are in low income homes in decades. Is that because the median has gone down though

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...ome-households

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2052251.html

Sunak’s dodging tax while putting it up for the rest of us.


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[Callum_62]

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2052251.html

Sunak’s dodging tax while putting it up for the rest of us.


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Yeah but that has nothing to do with him at all

Its just his wife totally unrelated to him

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[lapsedhibee]

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Yeah but that has nothing to do with him at all

Its just his wife totally unrelated to him

Mrs Sunak's not a British citizen and Mr Sunak is, so there's no connection.

[Kato]

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Mrs Sunak's not a British citizen and Mr Sunak is, so there's no connection.

Whereas the mainstream press should be pointing out that the Ministerial Code covers spouses. Whatever is wrong for him to do its the same for his missus.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Word of the day is 'snollygoster' (19th century): an unprincipled person in office who is motivated by personal rather than public gain.


Thank you, Susie Dent

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[JimBHibees]

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Brilliant

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2053783.html

Surely a resigning issue?


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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2053783.html

Surely a resigning issue?


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It should be a resigning issue but it’s clear no one in this government will resign regardless of the size of the scandal.

[ronaldo7]

As the queues in Dover grow ever longer. Remember this...

https://twitter.com/woodgnomology/st...00780849291265

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/cnn/status/15124...h-fLWtVEB8hx1w

… if the statements that the NHS is not up for sale go the way of many policies in the past couple of years, is this where we are heading


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[Stairway 2 7]

Can't see it they have been saying its for sale for decades. Its a huge vote loser so will never be. Although many on another thread were saying health care in Europe is better, so they might like it if its sold

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Sunak’s dodging tax while putting it up for the rest of us.


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As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.

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As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.

And a chancellor of the UK holding a green card and paying his taxes in the US instead of the UK?


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As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

Rubbish.

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As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.

Residency is not the issue here. That's a red herring. It's domicile that's the issue.

The 2 are different concepts. If I had an hour, I'd try and explain it, but you'd fall asleep 😴

This might help
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1511964400978214912?t=WbIvHoYFXsE_yG95WpM65w&s=19

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As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.

I don't care if its within the law or not. Those laws have been manufactured to allow rich people off the hook with their tax burden while ordinary people carry the weight.

Those laws, the people who made those laws, the people who exploit those laws and the idiots who shrug their shoulders and just say "it's the law" are disgusting.

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As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.

Okay lets go through what is wrong with this statement.

-No one is accusing them of tax dodging, they are accusing a person staying in No11 Downing street of tax avoidance, which is not illegal but pretty immoral, especially when her husband has put the highest tax burden on ordinary working people since the 1050s

-Your Nationality has nothing to do with your tax status in this case, she is a voluntary Non Dom tax status, it costs her £30k a year to have this status and it is specifically so she doesn't pay tax on all her income in the UK

-There is no proof whatsoever that she pays tax in India and that has nothing to do with her non dom tax status, you do not have to pay tax abroad to have non dom status

-You are correct that it is between 15-20 years she will no long be able to claim non dom status, she will pay tax on all her income in 2024

The fact that she is using tax avoidance methods that people in her husbands party called abhorrent when Jimmy Carr was doing similar and while she actually stays in No11 Downing street is the point here. It is not her wealth being held against her it is her unwillingness to pay tax using tax avoidance methods while staying in the chancellor of the exchequers house!! Conflict of interest much?

This is all detailed by Richard Murphy, Professor or accounting practices and Economic Justice Campaigner on this podcast from around 39minutes

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...=1000556535854