Dnipro Kids - Evacuation Update

[A Hi-Bee]

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Especially when Raab is the son of a Jewish refugee who fled to Britain from the Nazis aged 6. Sickening

That is your present Government for you, all the frigen same.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Especially when Raab is the son of a Jewish refugee who fled to Britain from the Nazis aged 6. Sickening

...and Priti Evil Patel's folks were refugees from East Africa. You have to question the morality of pulling up the drawbridge after your own family is safe.

[60yearahibby]

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...and Priti Evil Patel's folks were refugees from East Africa. You have to question the morality of pulling up the drawbridge after your own family is safe.

Sorry to correct you but Patel's parents left Uganda several years before Idi Amin started his purge of Asians. They came with all their goods and money. They were economic migrants. She still is a horrible person.

[gbhibby]

Proper politicians take action and do things. Tory politicians procrastinate.

[CropleyWasGod]

Devil's advocate question.

Raab spoke about safeguarding as the main issue. Is that genuine, or a red herring?

[gbhibby]

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Devil's advocate question.

Raab spoke about safeguarding as the main issue. Is that genuine, or a red herring?

I would have thought all the necessary disclosure checks etc would have been carried out did Ian not indicate that in his question?

[makaveli1875]

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Devil's advocate question.

Raab spoke about safeguarding as the main issue. Is that genuine, or a red herring?

He was just saying any old pish that came into his head to excuse not doing anything to help .

[son of haggart]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-60767736

BBC report

[hibeerealist]

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Devil's advocate question.

Raab spoke about safeguarding as the main issue. Is that genuine, or a red herring?

There are very strict rules/laws in every country regarding removing orphans from their home country. I think Ukraine need cast iron guarantees regarding where the children will be placed ie vetting of the host family. Hopefully resolved before the flight leaves Poland these kids have had enough hell in their young lives.

[Oscar T Grouch]

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Devil's advocate question.

Raab spoke about safeguarding as the main issue. Is that genuine, or a red herring?

I think the charities plan is to have the orphanage mothers housed here just like they were in Ukraine so safeguarding in this case is just an excuse for the home offices continued obfuscation of the income of refugees into the UK. Even Ukrainians with family here are finding it difficult to get any movement towards getting into the UK. This is what the UK voted for of course, but under different circumstances. I really hope common sense is used and we can get these poor kids settled here as soon as possible.

[ancient hibee]

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I think the charities plan is to have the orphanage mothers housed here just like they were in Ukraine so safeguarding in this case is just an excuse for the home offices continued obfuscation of the income of refugees into the UK. Even Ukrainians with family here are finding it difficult to get any movement towards getting into the UK. This is what the UK voted for of course, but under different circumstances. I really hope common sense is used and we can get these poor kids settled here as soon as possible.

Yes but even allowing for what appears to be overmuch regulation once the children come here it will be difficult to find appropriate accommodation if say 5/6 children and an orphanage “mum” are quite correctly going to be kept together.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Sorry to correct you but Patel's parents left Uganda several years before Idi Amin started his purge of Asians. They came with all their goods and money. They were economic migrants. She still is a horrible person.

Sorry to disappoint you but the East African Asians were on the reciving end of a great deal of prejudice and hostility way before Amin given the African population saw them as a tool of the British colonial administration who just like their colonial masters who had exploited the prefetential treatment both in law and jobs afforded them by the Brits to their detriment. Kenya, Uganda, and a lesser extent Tanzania (Tanganika as was) all had movements that targetted the asian population.

All over Africa, and indeed the wider empire, the Brit colonial governments imported indentured asian labour who carved a role for themselves and as a result engender hostility from the local populations.

You might find the link below enlightening

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Asians_from_Uganda

[StevieC]

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Devil's advocate question.

Raab spoke about safeguarding as the main issue. Is that genuine, or a red herring?

Red herring

[Just Alf]

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There are very strict rules/laws in every country regarding removing orphans from their home country. I think Ukraine need cast iron guarantees regarding where the children will be placed ie vetting of the host family. Hopefully resolved before the flight leaves Poland these kids have had enough hell in their young lives.

Pretty sure in this case it's a "lift and shift" of the orphanage, I'm sure I read somewhere that the accommodation had been put in place for it (near Loch lomond or something?)

I'd have thought it was a case of getting them all settled safely somewhere asap.
Next steps re new family's etc can take their due course/timescales ensuring all relevant checks are done.. including repatriation back to Ukraine/Ukrainian adoptive family's if that becomes possible and/or appropriate.

[Just Alf]

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Red herring

Thanks StevieC, as I'd guessed.


And thanks again.

[HIBS NUTS]

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Red herring

Hi Stevie, I’m a foster carer in East Lothian,I have a meeting tomorrow with social work, , I will ask about the social work response, if anythingi interesting is said, I will let you know.
My phone is not working, so hopefully I can post again tomorrow.👍

[Jack]

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Pretty sure in this case it's a "lift and shift" of the orphanage, I'm sure I read somewhere that the accommodation had been put in place for it (near Loch lomond or something?)

I'd have thought it was a case of getting them all settled safely somewhere asap.
Next steps re new family's etc can take their due course/timescales ensuring all relevant checks are done.. including repatriation back to Ukraine/Ukrainian adoptive family's if that becomes possible and/or appropriate.

I'm not sure there's a next step in the plan to set up new families. Here's what Ian Blackford said at PMQs. Note its temporary sanctuary.


The Scottish charity Dnipro kids have evacuated 48 children from orphanages in Ukraine and is desperately trying to provide them with a temporary sanctuary in Scotland.

There is a plane ready and waiting in Poland but the blockage is the UK Home Office. I am pleading with them now to stop obstructing the process and let these children come to our home and to safety. #PMQs

[hibby rae]

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Blackford discussing it in PMQ’s right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECn3q5S7zME

Full exchange here.

Raab - "we're keen to find out if family reunion options with family in the region has been considered".

They're f****** orphans!!!

[A Hi-Bee]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECn3q5S7zME

Full exchange here.

Raab - "we're keen to find out if family reunion options with family in the region has been considered".

They're f****** orphans!!!

They struggle to even slaver, on the few occasions they look up from the trough.

[HIBS NUTS]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECn3q5S7zME

Full exchange here.

Raab - "we're keen to find out if family reunion options with family in the region has been considered".

They're f****** orphans!!!

The problem local authorities have, is that there are already many dis -placed
People from Syria, and other nations, that have been here for a while, and still don’t have appropriate accommodation, including orphans, I suspect that the Ukraine’s will have to take there place in the queue .
I’m not saying this is correct, I’m just saying what I suspect the local authorities stance will be.

[The Baldmans Comb]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECn3q5S7zME

Full exchange here.

Raab - "we're keen to find out if family reunion options with family in the region has been considered".

They're f****** orphans!!!

The British wernae so slow when it came to getting that horrible little man and all his cats and dugs out of Afganastan.🤢

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/people/953938/the-curious-case-of-pen-farthing-carrie-johnson-and-the-afghan-animal-airlift

What a desperate state of affairs when you have such a professional,dedicated and long standing Scottish charity who have the Scottish government and Scottish local authorities totally behind them and everything is set up and ready to move yet the British still procrastinate and delay.

Scotland really is like no other country in the world.😥

[HIBS NUTS]

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The British wernae so slow when it came to getting that horrible little man and all his cats and dugs out of Afganastan.

What a desperate state of affairs when you have such a professional,dedicated and long standing Scottish charity who have the Scottish government and Scottish local authorities totally behind them and everything is set up and ready to move yet the British still procrastinate and delay.

Scotland really is like no other country in the world.😥

Not wishing to get political, but on this occasion, the problems exist with the home office in westminster and not the scottish government.

[hibby rae]

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The problem local authorities have, is that there are already many dis -placed
People from Syria, and other nations, that have been here for a while, and still don’t have appropriate accommodation, including orphans, I suspect that the Ukraine’s will have to take there place in the queue .
I’m not saying this is correct, I’m just saying what I suspect the local authorities stance will be.

The UK hasn't taken a fraction in refugees as what the other European countries have in recent years, and they are still doing more now.

What we are seeing in my opinion is the result of a historical combination of incompetence, apathy, and malice from the UK government.

[Hibernian Verse]

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Not wishing to get political, but on this occasion, the problems exist with the home office in westminster and not the scottish government.

I think he was getting at the fact Scotland report to another government.

Without getting political ;)

[The Baldmans Comb]

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Not wishing to get political, but on this occasion, the problems exist with the home office in westminster and not the scottish government.

Agreed and my point was that Scotland is the only country in the world that can't even complete simple humanitaium gestures without going elsewhere to beg permission.😥

[HIBS NUTS]

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Agreed and my point was that Scotland is the only country in the world that can't even complete simple humanitaium gestures without going elsewhere to beg permission.😥

👍🏻

[gbhibby]

Hope someone takes a pair of scissors to cut through the red tape. Wonder if players in the Scottish Premier and English Premier leagues could contribute 2 Days wages to charity or even the Hanlon Stevenson foundation, what a gesture that would be.Clubs could match contributions made by their players.

[Mick O'Rourke]

The media attention on this surely must have Boris,Raab and co rattled. Or does it ?
If the bairns and carers are not on that plane on Friday, this UK Govt should hang its head in shame and the electorate remember .

Hate them tory barstewrds,particularly the little lord fauntleroy Eton brigade.

Older trade unionist once said to me when i was in my youth!

"There are not enough lunatic asylums for working class tories"
They tories don't care.

[Steven79]

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Agreed and my point was that Scotland is the only country in the world that can't even complete simple humanitaium gestures without going elsewhere to beg permission.

What are we going to do about it?

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[StevieC]

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Pretty sure in this case it's a "lift and shift" of the orphanage, I'm sure I read somewhere that the accommodation had been put in place for it (near Loch lomond or something?)

I'd have thought it was a case of getting them all settled safely somewhere asap.
Next steps re new family's etc can take their due course/timescales ensuring all relevant checks are done.. including repatriation back to Ukraine/Ukrainian adoptive family's if that becomes possible and/or appropriate.

“Lift and Shift” that’s an interesting phrase 🤔

But yes, that is effectively what it is. No need for vetting because there are no host families, it is an orphanage group and will remain as such (until it is safe to return to Ukraine).