SNP are lying b******s as well !

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We're no longer in the EU but I still feel I'm part of the wider Europe and would class my self as European in certain circumstances.
I'm guessing if we're ever independent I'll still feel British as well.


With regards to any iScotland government my mum and dad will revert back to Labour and Tory so will cancel each other out and let in the snp!

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Who has suggested there will be a SNP/Greens government in an independent Scotland?

A constant refrain from the opposition supporters!!

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Again with the yes, but...

Fair enough, all I meant was I'm just putting my point of view across and that view really is as straightforward as it appears.

FWIW though, in the event of another referendum my 'political' stance would be that because I don't agree with the SNP's raison d'etre (ie the break-up of the UK) I could never vote for it. Like many others, I identify as Scottish AND British so yes I'd prefer to remain that way.

The raison d'etre of the SNP is self determination. The UK would still exist, it would just be all the poorer for it

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Their really isn't anything wrong with it. Scottish nationalist, British nationalist. English nationalist, they're all used in the free British press.

What's wrong with it?

Go and have a look at the latest piece from David leask, a respected journalist. He's covering British nationalism in one of his pieces.

I think it's fair to say that the phrase British nationalism conjures up associations with the BNP/extreme right. Not unreasonable to take exception to being described that way.

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I think it's fair to say that the phrase British nationalism conjures up associations with the BNP/extreme right. Not unreasonable to take exception to being described that way.

Not in the context of my post. Nothing from that could be construed to mean as much.

Maybe the poster just doesn't like being asked questions which have to be backed up.

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I think it's fair to say that the phrase British nationalism conjures up associations with the BNP/extreme right. Not unreasonable to take exception to being described that way.

It's an interesting point....

So...

What does someone who supports the union as it is just now want to be called?

[Skol]

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It's an interesting point....

So...

What does someone who supports the union as it is just now want to be called?

A proud Scot with a different view.

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A proud Scot with a different view.

That works!... but in terms of a wee discussion surely we can't be typing that out every time!

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No voter then :-)

Although I expect in the event of another referendum it will not be a yes no answer. Happy to be a remainer then

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So its Nats vs proud Scots with a different view



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No voter then :-)

Although I expect in the event of another referendum it will not be a yes no answer. Happy to be a remainer then

Lol... I get where you're coming from... i seem to remember that using the word 'no' was an issue as it implied a form of negativity!


What's in a name... :-)
Johnson (and the Tories in general) are really good at trolling the snp in Westminster...
Every time they mention it, it's the Scottish NATIONALIST Party.

(Appears to really rip Blackfords knitting when it's brought up!)

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Lol... I get where you're coming from... i seem to remember that using the word 'no' was an issue as it implied a form of negativity!


What's in a name... :-)
Johnson (and the Tories in general) are really good at trolling the snp in Westminster...
Every time they mention it, it's the Scottish NATIONALIST Party.

(Appears to really rip Blackfords knitting when it's brought up!)

To be fair getting any partys name right should be a given as showing a modicum of respect in the house

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To be fair getting any partys name right should be a given as showing a modicum of respect in the house

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Bozo Probably thinks Murray Ross is the leader of the Scotland Nationalistic Party.


He does like a good party, legal or otherwise.


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Bozo Probably thinks Murray Ross is the leader of the Scotland Nationalistic Party.


He does like a good party, legal or otherwise.


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Wonder what would happen if Blackford started calling them the ****servatives



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Wonder what would happen if Blackford started calling them the ****servatives



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Nasty party seems to strike at a nerve down here.

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A proud Scot with a different view.

😂

Now you're back on. Care to answer the questions on the thread asked of you. 👍

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No voter then :-)

Although I expect in the event of another referendum it will not be a yes no answer. Happy to be a remainer then

How about 'Remoaners'?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...oves-scotland/

A hatchet job to some extent but I was bemused by her comments re a no fly zone and indeed the 'pardon' for alleged witches (of whom, as is pointed out, some 15% were men).

The dilution of her daily covid update platform does seem to have left her at a bit of a loose end.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...oves-scotland/

A hatchet job to some extent but I was bemused by her comments re a no fly zone and indeed the 'pardon' for alleged witches (of whom, as is pointed out, some 15% were men).

The dilution of her daily covid update platform does seem to have left her at a bit of a loose end.

I can't read the whole article but ever since day one I've thought why are we publicly saying what we will and won't do?

Ruling out completely and publically a no fly zone - why?

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Wonder what would happen if Blackford started calling them the ****servatives



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I don’t know but I’m certainly going to start calling them that! 😂👍

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Again with the yes, but...

Fair enough, all I meant was I'm just putting my point of view across and that view really is as straightforward as it appears.

FWIW though, in the event of another referendum my 'political' stance would be that because I don't agree with the SNP's raison d'etre (ie the break-up of the UK) I could never vote for it. Like many others, I identify as Scottish AND British so yes I'd prefer to remain that way.

Yes, but?

Again - why is it not okay when someone questions or challenges a view from the other side. Should it be end of debate every time you post?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...oves-scotland/

A hatchet job to some extent but I was bemused by her comments re a no fly zone and indeed the 'pardon' for alleged witches (of whom, as is pointed out, some 15% were men).

The dilution of her daily covid update platform does seem to have left her at a bit of a loose end.

Great headline. Scotland not ready for independence. Like we are children. Guess it’s how they think of us.
Next week’s telegraph article on how Nicola Sturgeon’s choice of shoes show Scotland is not ready for independence.


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Great headline. Scotland not ready for independence. Like we are children. Guess it’s how they think of us.
Next week’s telegraph article on how Nicola Sturgeon’s choice of shoes show Scotland is not ready for independence.


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The telegraph, not like them to have slightly Conservative bias, or be part of the Nasty party gravy train.....

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Next week’s telegraph article on how Nicola Sturgeon’s choice of shoes show Scotland is not ready for independence.

The Telegraph calling a politician childish while idolising that other politician with the toddler haircut. Such a rag.

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The telegraph, not like them to have slightly Conservative bias, or be part of the Nasty party gravy train.....

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This was when Boris Johnson was being paid £200,000 a year for a weekly column, in which he called the EU Nazis and blamed NATO for RU's invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

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This was when Boris Johnson was being paid £200,000 a year for a weekly column, in which he called the EU Nazis and blamed NATO for RU's invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

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And that's one of the more transparent features of his life...

Maybe one day we will find out about his aide free sessions with ledbedev and others in Perugia?

Russia, Russians, Russian money does seem to be a constant thread though. It seems the Conservative Friends of Russia group has been disbanded suddenly, a great shame when you consider one of the attendees was one Carrie Symonds when it was set up.

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And that's one of the more transparent features of his life...

Maybe one day we will find out about his aide free sessions with ledbedev and others in Perugia?

Russia, Russians, Russian money does seem to be a constant thread though. It seems the Conservative Friends of Russia group has been disbanded suddenly, a great shame when you consider one of the attendees was one Carrie Symonds when it was set up.

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Now that that source of dirty cash has gone, he’ll need to find another. Coincidently, he’s off to Saudi Arabia this week.


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Now that that source of dirty cash has gone, he’ll need to find another. Coincidently, he’s off to Saudi Arabia this week.


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Keeps the ties with despotic undemocratic tyrants going then....

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Yes, but?

Again - why is it not okay when someone questions or challenges a view from the other side. Should it be end of debate every time you post?

Not at all. I respect your opinion and your right to question mine. It's just that on this particular question I don't really see further mileage in it. You asked if my primary basis for opposing independence was because I retain a strong British identity and I confirmed that was the case.

I guess that having spent a sizeable chunk of my life in various parts of the UK has shaped that identity, but I certainly feel that the melting pot of culture, geography, history, sport...you name it...forms a collective nation I'd be very sorry to no longer be part of. Politics runs a poor second in that respect and it depresses me the way things have polarised over the last decade. I wouldn't describe myself as a 'British nationalist', a 'Unionist' or indeed 'Tory' but because I have no interest in seeing the UK broken up it seems now to follow that I must be labelled as one or all of these things.

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I wouldn't describe myself as a 'British nationalist', a 'Unionist' or indeed 'Tory' but because I have no interest in seeing the UK broken up it seems now to follow that I must be labelled as one or all of these things.

You're pretty fond of labels for others though, "odious", "loathsome" etc...argue the points if you don't want labelled.



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Most of my English pals see themselves as English. The whole British thing being tainted with Empire and BNP type connections. They have no need for the British tag as its too convoluted a pose, they have their parliament in England serving England. That said they all hate the Tories anyway and when it boils down to it just see themselves as human beings rather than some chappy political label.

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