SNP are lying b******s as well !

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I welcome an SNP bashing thread as I like to have my views challenged.

[greenginger]

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This thread is greengingers thread alone to disassociate himself from absolute anything he’s done good before cos he is a complete loss of perspective zoomer here.

Are threads criticising our SNP government forbidden on Hibs.net

If not I’ll continue even if it upsets your own perspective.

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Are threads criticising our SNP government forbidden on Hibs.net

If not I’ll continue even if it upsets your own perspective.

Please read post above yours!

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There plenty to criticise the snp govt on. Knock yourselves out. Especially on education. On health they prob get pass marks and on crime they are knocking it out the park so best leave we’ll alone.


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Don't know if he falls into the 'liar' category but this bampot certainly does the SNP cause no good:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...lyrood/?ref=ar

I'm guessing some pressure from the party itself prompted this move.

Apologies if already posted. I just noticed the story this morning.

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Don't know if he falls into the 'liar' category but this bampot certainly does the SNP cause no good:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...lyrood/?ref=ar

I'm guessing some pressure from the party itself prompted this move.

Apologies if already posted. I just noticed the story this morning.

I thought the same about party pressure. Then I thought being unwell would certainly be a valid reason for some of the more recent unacceptable comments he's made. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he recovers and the strange comments cease.

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Who cares what the SNP claim will happen in their fantasy land post independence?

Is she still claiming their will be a referendum in 2023?


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https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...aine-invasion/

Yes.

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https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...aine-invasion/

Yes.

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This is a curious tactic the SNP have recently employed of getting blackford to say something only for sturgeon to appear to say something else.

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This is a curious tactic the SNP have recently employed of getting blackford to say something only for sturgeon to appear to say something else.

For once I agree with Blackford.

[JeMeSouviens]

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For once I agree with Blackford.

“I want that referendum to take place in a timely manner. I want us to be able to execute the mandate that we have."

Good man

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For once I agree with Blackford.

Haha

I agree that 2023 is not the time but I don’t yet know where I stand on his rationale for that position. We are probably 18 months away from the snp desired timeline, and we all hope the current situation in Ukraine is resolved long before then. If there is a mandate for a referendum, I don’t see why the 2023 timeline can’t still stand

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Good man

Although I don’t support independence, I think the only way out of the impasse is to have another referendum

As things stand it is a pretty close call and I don’t think the snp have the confidence they will win and so are reluctant to start the process as they know a second failure at best sets them back for a generation. This is bad as we just continue as we are until something major changes things.

Even with brexit, Johnson as PM and the worst Westminster government in living memory, we have not seen any real change from the 50/50 split.

What’s clear to me is that the current situation does us no good whatsoever. Either we gain independence or we accept we remain as we are. There are pros and cons with each and depending on your side of the debate you will see it differently.

I’ve been reading a thread elsewhere and the debate is just poisonous with some pretty I’ll informed statements being made (from both sides) and also some nasty comments. This is what frustrates me here. At the end of the day we all want the best for Scotland, it’s just that we have different views on how this can be achieved. We shouldn’t be falling out and sniping at each other. Whatever the outcome we will still all be Scot’s going forward and need to pull together

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Ukraine is clutching at straws for a delay. Its a brave call 2023 as it will surely be close. Hopefully they are confident as there won't be a third anytime soon if no happens

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Although I don’t support independence, I think the only way out of the impasse is to have another referendum

As things stand it is a pretty close call and I don’t think the snp have the confidence they will win and so are reluctant to start the process as they know a second failure at best sets them back for a generation. This is bad as we just continue as we are until something major changes things.

Even with brexit, Johnson as PM and the worst Westminster government in living memory, we have not seen any real change from the 50/50 split.

What’s clear to me is that the current situation does us no good whatsoever. Either we gain independence or we accept we remain as we are. There are pros and cons with each and depending on your side of the debate you will see it differently.

I’ve been reading a thread elsewhere and the debate is just poisonous with some pretty I’ll informed statements being made (from both sides) and also some nasty comments. This is what frustrates me here. At the end of the day we all want the best for Scotland, it’s just that we have different views on how this can be achieved. We shouldn’t be falling out and sniping at each other. Whatever the outcome we will still all be Scot’s going forward and need to pull together

I actually don't think that's true now, if it ever was. Well, assuming you mean want what's best for the people of Scotland? I think the Tory side of Unionism wants as poor a Scottish economy as possible to push a "reliance on the UK state" narrative. The existential threat to Britain is much more important to them (even Scots Tories) than the best for Scotland.

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I actually don't think that's true now, if it ever was. Well, assuming you mean want what's best for the people of Scotland? I think the Tory side of Unionism wants as poor a Scottish economy as possible to push a "reliance on the UK state" narrative. The existential threat to Britain is much more important to them (even Scots Tories) than the best for Scotland.

I am really surprised at that view if I am honest and I really don’t see it. Key to note I am not on the Tory side and also I don’t view myself as a unionist, albeit I do believe remaining in the UK is best for Scotland overall.

I don’t think the snp are doing as well as they could to improve the Scottish economy based on the powers they have.
I have long said that the best way to make the case for independence is to make a success of devolution and win over people like me rather than try to put a huge divide down the middle by making us out to be some kind of anti Scotland people.

I still maintain that we all want the best for Scotland but just see things differently in how we achieve that.

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I am really surprised at that view if I am honest and I really don’t see it. Key to note I am not on the Tory side and also I don’t view myself as a unionist, albeit I do believe remaining in the UK is best for Scotland overall.

I don’t think the snp are doing as well as they could to improve the Scottish economy based on the powers they have.
I have long said that the best way to make the case for independence is to make a success of devolution and win over people like me rather than try to put a huge divide down the middle by making us out to be some kind of anti Scotland people.

I still maintain that we all want the best for Scotland but just see things differently in how we achieve that.

I don't doubt you're totally sincere in that but you just need to look at the undisguised glee at the reporting of GERS "deficits" etc.

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This thread is greengingers thread alone to disassociate himself from absolute anything he’s done good before cos he is a complete loss of perspective zoomer here.

Oh dear, I seem to have negated myself from anything good I have ever done because I have lost perspective and have criticised SNP’s Great Leader

This is place is getting like North Korea.

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I don't doubt you're totally sincere in that but you just need to look at the undisguised glee at the reporting of GERS "deficits" etc.

At £150 a barrel the GERS figures might be a bit different next year.
Might need to dig out the old ‘it’s Scotland’s oil’ posters.


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At £150 a barrel the GERS figures might be a bit different next year.
Might need to dig out the old ‘it’s Scotland’s oil’ posters.


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And "these islands" argument of Scotland not being able to be an independent country because it has too much energy resource will need a rethink.

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And "these islands" argument of Scotland not being able to be an independent country because it has too much energy resource will need a rethink.

Wonder if NS will be more open to camo field being opened with the price of oil as it is

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Wonder if NS will be more open to camo field being opened with the price of oil as it is

Needs must when the devil drives

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This is a curious tactic the SNP have recently employed of getting blackford to say something only for sturgeon to appear to say something else.

Probably taken from journalists like Sarah Smith. Pretend somethings been said, then pass it round your mates until it swamps the airwaves.

Only this morning we've had journalists saying Blackford is quitting after an internal spat. Totally made up.

Fake news is alive and well in the British established press.

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Wonder if NS will be more open to camo field being opened with the price of oil as it is

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-in-scotland

Looks more like Sturgeon is committed to ending all North Sea oil production sooner rather than later.

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Needs must when the devil drives

Not sure the greens will see it that way unfortunately

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Not sure the greens will see it that way unfortunately

There's a bit of politicking to be don there, I'm sure the SNP would prevail if that's what needs to be done.

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Wonder if NS will be more open to camo field being opened with the price of oil as it is

If your talking about the near future, she just rejected that proposal at FMQ's, said it would take until 2026 to get it to the stage of production, or at least I think that's what she said. Presumably oil price will reduce again at some point given it's such a volatile market?

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We were told in 2014 that the oil would run out in 5 years. I wonder who was lying then. 😂

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If your talking about the near future, she just rejected that proposal at FMQ's, said it would take until 2026 to get it to the stage of production, or at least I think that's what she said. Presumably oil price will reduce again at some point given it's such a volatile market?

Estimates only go a few years in front and it's estimated to keep rising slightly

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Fake news is alive and well in the British established press.

It's like North Korea.

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It's like North Korea.

You wouldn't be able to say that in North Korea.

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