SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Jack]

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It would be helpful if blackford took that line rather than telling us the U.K. will pay Scottish pensions

He's just trolling his unionist opposition. Seems he's quite good at it!

[Keith_M]

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I guess my point is that Scotland will pay Scottish pensions. It will be part of an overall agreement but in reality we take the tax payers and so we pay the pension at whatever level can be afforded. Other than that there is nothing to agree

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That would probably be the case but i don't think it's that straightforward.

It could be argued that if the rest of the UK has no responsibility to pay back the pension money paid by Scottish taxpayers, as we're no longer British, then why should Scotland have a responsibility to pay part of the 'British' national debt.

It's probably just part of the pre-negotiations stuff, like saying 'if we don't get what we want, you can stuff the share of national debt'.

[Keith_M]

Seeing as we're discussing the SNP again, has anybody mentioned that twat James Dornan yet? I often wonder what he's going to come up with next in his list of fairytale grievances.



The toilets are broken in the local Shamrock Irish Theme Pub and they can't get a plumber to fix them till next week? Obvious case of anti-Irish racism among all local plumbers in Scotland.

Shameful!!!!

[greenginger]

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That would probably be the case but i don't think it's that straightforward.

It could be argued that if the rest of the UK has no responsibility to pay back the pension money paid by Scottish taxpayers, as we're no longer British, then why should Scotland have a responsibility to pay part of the 'British' national debt.

It's probably just part of the pre-negotiations stuff, like saying 'if we don't get what we want, you can stuff the share of national debt'.

The pension money paid by Scottish tax payers has already been paid back . It gets paid in pensions to Scots every month.

The UK national debt has been run up over many years on infrastructure over the whole Uk, health service , fighting covid etc. etc.

We say stuff our share of national debt , rest of Uk say stuff your exports to us and put block on our produce entering rest of UK or what ever they will call themselves.

I think it’s around 70% of our exports go to rest of Uk , so could be a problem.

[grunt]

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We say stuff our share of national debt , rest of Uk say stuff your exports to us and put block on our produce entering rest of UK or what ever they will call themselves.

I think it’s around 70% of our exports go to rest of Uk , so could be a problem.

We'll be fine. You just have to believe more.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Seeing as we're discussing the SNP again, has anybody mentioned that twat James Dornan yet? I often wonder what he's going to come up with next in his list of fairytale grievances.



The toilets are broken in the local Shamrock Irish Theme Pub and they can't get a plumber to fix them till next week? Obvious case of anti-Irish racism among all local plumbers in Scotland.

Shameful!!!!

If anyone would make you think the SNP are heading down the same cul de sac of complacency and creeping ineptitude that ScotLab have ended up in it's him.

To be fair, he's not so much of a lying ******* as just a prick.

[JeMeSouviens]

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The pension money paid by Scottish tax payers has already been paid back . It gets paid in pensions to Scots every month.

The UK national debt has been run up over many years on infrastructure over the whole Uk, health service , fighting covid etc. etc.

We say stuff our share of national debt , rest of Uk say stuff your exports to us and put block on our produce entering rest of UK or what ever they will call themselves.

I think it’s around 70% of our exports go to rest of Uk , so could be a problem.

Wow, up until this point I assumed you were an rUK-based taxpayer that didn't want to lose out in divorce.

But, you are actually looking for your own country to be shafted?

[Ozyhibby]

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The pension money paid by Scottish tax payers has already been paid back . It gets paid in pensions to Scots every month.

The UK national debt has been run up over many years on infrastructure over the whole Uk, health service , fighting covid etc. etc.

We say stuff our share of national debt , rest of Uk say stuff your exports to us and put block on our produce entering rest of UK or what ever they will call themselves.

I think it’s around 70% of our exports go to rest of Uk , so could be a problem.

I doubt the rUK will ban all EU imports.


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[JeMeSouviens]

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The pension money paid by Scottish tax payers has already been paid back . It gets paid in pensions to Scots every month.

The UK national debt has been run up over many years on infrastructure over the whole Uk, health service , fighting covid etc. etc.

We say stuff our share of national debt , rest of Uk say stuff your exports to us and put block on our produce entering rest of UK or what ever they will call themselves.

I think it’s around 70% of our exports go to rest of Uk , so could be a problem.

btw, there is no mechanism to share out the debt. As rUK will be the continuing state it will be fully liable, the Treasury made that clear in 2014. The Scottish government were offering "solidarity payments" in lieu of a share of debt which seems like the right thing to do. Alternatively, one could say rUK has had plenty of value from Scottish natural assets over the years, isn't that enough?

iScotland fast tracked into the EEA/customs union by way of an association agreement on the way to EU membership would be subject to all the same trade restrictions as the rest of Europe with the UK. Trade with rUK is going to be painful, there's no getting round that. Equally, there's no way for rUK to make it "especially hard" for Scotland. Which given their Brexit trade woes in general, would be a fairly self defeating thing anyway?

[Ozyhibby]

Trade is sorted for the next indyref. Everyone knows exactly what the relationship will be. It’s not great due to brexit but the advantages of accessing the larger EU market will outweigh the downsides in the medium/long term. You only have to look at how Ireland moved their trade away from UK and thrived because of it.


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Trade is sorted for the next indyref. Everyone knows exactly what the relationship will be. It’s not great due to brexit but the advantages of accessing the larger EU market will outweigh the downsides in the medium/long term. You only have to look at how Ireland moved their trade away from UK and thrived because of it.


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Just look at the new routes from Irish ports, bypassing the UK. It didn't take more than a year either. The Welsh ports are now in decline.

[Keith_M]

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If anyone would make you think the SNP are heading down the same cul de sac of complacency and creeping ineptitude that ScotLab have ended up in it's him.

To be fair, he's not so much of a lying ******* as just a prick.

I can't stand the guy, but sadly he's my local MSP.

And you're right, he really reminds me of the prats that were in charge of Monklands Council. They were so bad for so long that the whole Council area was dismantled.

[Pretty Boy]

This is an interesting thread from well known 'yoon' Andy Wightman on why the failures on land reform, specifically land taxes, are so damaging:

https://twitter.com/andywightman/sta...8olnWRsOA&s=19

This is the kind of thing the ruling govt should be challenged on when discussing their record as opposed to fairy stories about pensions.

[James310]

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This is an interesting thread from well known 'yoon' Andy Wightman on why the failures on land reform, specifically land taxes, are so damaging:

https://twitter.com/andywightman/sta...8olnWRsOA&s=19

This is the kind of thing the ruling govt should be challenged on when discussing their record as opposed to fairy stories about pensions.

Wightman isn't a "Yoon" he is a "Nat" and ex Green MSP. One of a few politicians that was respected across the Parliament for his work on land reform. He has written a number of books on it.

His resignation letter on why he left the Greens is worth a read.

https://andywightman.scot/archives/4634

[Pretty Boy]

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Wightman isn't a "Yoon" he is a "Nat" and ex Green MSP. One of a few politicians that was respected across the Parliament for his work on land reform. He has written a number of books on it.

His resignation letter on why he left the Greens is worth a read.

https://andywightman.scot/archives/4634

I think you missed the sarcasm in my post.

[James310]

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I think you missed the sarcasm in my post.

Ah, ok apologies. I did, you can never be so sure these days! He has always been someone that is free of thinking, which is why I think he was admired so much. A loss for the Parliament especially when you look at some of the parliamentarians we have today, and that's across all parties, the standard is poor.

[Ozyhibby]

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This is an interesting thread from well known 'yoon' Andy Wightman on why the failures on land reform, specifically land taxes, are so damaging:

https://twitter.com/andywightman/sta...8olnWRsOA&s=19

This is the kind of thing the ruling govt should be challenged on when discussing their record as opposed to fairy stories about pensions.

With an office in Orchard Brae House you would think the Scotsman would be all over this story.


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With an office in Orchard Brae House you would think the Scotsman would be all over this story.


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The Scotsman are too busy tying themselves in knots just now.Screenshot_2022-03-03-08-47-09-35_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpgScreenshot_2022-03-03-08-47-38-00_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg

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[Ozyhibby]

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The Scotsman are too busy tying themselves in knots just now.Screenshot_2022-03-03-08-47-09-35_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpgScreenshot_2022-03-03-08-47-38-00_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg

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To be fair, I’ve seen people on both sides of the debate trying to find an angle on this war that proves their originally held views to be true. The war in Ukraine does not make Scottish independence any more or less of a good idea. Trying to tie it to this issue is idiotic.


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[Santa Cruz]

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Wightman isn't a "Yoon" he is a "Nat" and ex Green MSP. One of a few politicians that was respected across the Parliament for his work on land reform. He has written a number of books on it.

His resignation letter on why he left the Greens is worth a read.

https://andywightman.scot/archives/4634

That was worth reading, Thanks for posting. Liked this bit.

I have always been clear that the job of an MSP is threefold: to represent constituents on matters within the devolved competence of the Parliament, to hold the Scottish Government to account for their decisions, and to scrutinise legislation and make laws for the people of Scotland. MSPs are representatives of the people, not delegates of political parties.

[WeeRussell]

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The Scotsman are too busy tying themselves in knots just now.Screenshot_2022-03-03-08-47-09-35_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpgScreenshot_2022-03-03-08-47-38-00_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg

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Beggars belief indeed. Well, it used to with the Scotsman..

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...-snp-36lb7dljk

SNP still trying to claim UK would be paying Scottish pensions after independence.

Well, yeah... People in the (then) Irish Free State continued to claim a UK state pension as they'd paid into the UK system and were entitled to one. I'm no fan of the SNP but confused how this makes them lying *******s.

[majorhibs]

As each & every politician lies hugely. Some just more than others. Tories for example, if justice was applied, wouldn’t fit the bill.each & every one of them lies through their teeth shamelessly. Nothing more disgusting in the UK than a disgusting tory imo.

[Keith_M]

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Well, yeah... People in the (then) Irish Free State continued to claim a UK state pension as they'd paid into the UK system and were entitled to one. I'm no fan of the SNP but confused how this makes them lying *******s.

You're not the only one.

[Just Alf]

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Well, yeah... People in the (then) Irish Free State continued to claim a UK state pension as they'd paid into the UK system and were entitled to one. I'm no fan of the SNP but confused how this makes them lying *******s.

This was exactly the position of the UK DWP, there was arguments at the time and they only confirmed about a day before the vote (there was another argument about why they delayed releasing the letter confirming)

There was also discussions by the SNP at the time that they could envision taking on the responsibility of making the payments going forward as part of a negotiatiated settlement (we wouldn't need 10% of trident or the aircraft carriers etc)

If you could find it, there was excellent discussions at the time on the indy thread in here!
(Including a scan of the DWP announcement letter)

[greenginger]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...terest-3590431

Can anyone explain why it’s not in our interest to know what legal advice our Scottish Government, who promised transparency and openness, have received about the legality of holding their own indyref 2 ?

[Moulin Yarns]

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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...terest-3590431

Can anyone explain why it’s not in our interest to know what legal advice our Scottish Government, who promised transparency and openness, have received about the legality of holding their own indyref 2 ?

What does the rest of the article say??

[Ozyhibby]

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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...terest-3590431

Can anyone explain why it’s not in our interest to know what legal advice our Scottish Government, who promised transparency and openness, have received about the legality of holding their own indyref 2 ?

Govt never publishes legal advice. If you want some legal advice, you should get your own.


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[greenginger]

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Govt never publishes legal advice. If you want some legal advice, you should get your own.


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The reason Sturgeon gave for not revealing what the advice was , that it was not in public interest to know, not that they don’t reveal legal advice.

Do you seriously believe that had the advice received been positive it would have been kept from us, the tax payers.

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Govt never publishes legal advice. If you want some legal advice, you should get your own.


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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1810191.html

Don’t think that’s quite accurate .