Shaun Maloney - Style of play

[Zambernardi1875]

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We should have given Ross more time and better recruitment to turn things around. At least he had proven as a successful manager. Precedent is founded by sacking him, why back someone who's done little or nothing to show they are an improvement based on blind faith? This team was good enough for third last season and if Maloney can't motivate the same squad apart from Boyle - and it's not as if Boyle missing was to blame for the shambles of an hour against Cove then why is he the right man for the job and whats it based on?

we should have given ross more time but slate maloney even though its ross team, and jack ross was a successful manager, **** are you on

[silverhibee]

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I think Maloney will go onto achieve more in his career than Ross because I value his ideas. We should have won the double last season imo and should have beaten a Championship Hearts who hardly played for 6 months. Then to win 2 of 12 league games isn’t acceptable.

Ask Sunderland fans what they think of him after failing to get them promoted and bottling another cup final. Nothing against Jack but he’s a bottle merchant.

Your not allowed to say that about Pep Ross

[Skol]

In the first two games under maloney we looked better as we put pressure on the ball high up the pitch. This caused the opponents to lose the ball frequently. We seem to have given up on this tactic and reverted to the way Ross set up

[B.H.F.C]

Midfield has killed us all season. Not enough quality, not enough drive, no presence. Must be an absolute dream to play against.

If we don’t sign a midfielder by Monday, forget the rest of the season.

[Waxy]

Is there any manager who could bring together all the posters on here?
Stubbsy and Lennon even got trashed on here alot if i remember.

[silverhibee]

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We got the new manager bounce when Maloney came in and we played well against Aberdeen and Dundee United.

We then had the winter break, which was a chance for Maloney to work with the players to improve their understanding of his preferred system, and to understand how he needs to tweak it to suit the players available to him.

We've been worse since the winter break. Pedestrian against Cove, Motherwell and Livingston with no cutting edge. I'm discounting Celtc because of their budget advantage.

I want Maloney to do well but the early evidence is going to make it hard for him to keep fans onside.

And yet if Nisbet had taken that absolute f***ing sitter against celtc things might have been different for us, but he is missing to many chances, his game has improved over last few games but he is a international striker and is missing to many chances for us which are costing us big time.

[Skol]

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Is there any manager who could bring together all the posters on here?
Stubbsy and Lennon even got trashed on here alot if i remember.

Fair point. Answer is no. Unless we suddenly start winning and playing decent football while doing so.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I just don't think the players he currently has at his disposal are capable of playing in the system he wants to play.

[truehibernian]

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Midfield has killed us all season. Not enough quality, not enough drive, no presence. Must be an absolute dream to play against.

If we don’t sign a midfielder by Monday, forget the rest of the season.

Without doubt, and has meant we have not more silverware as well as better performances - crucial area of the pitch which needs surgery. I think MW Hibbies thought I was being critical of his post but I'm in agreement with him (and you) that until this area is addressed urgently, we'll continue to drift. We do need to get rid of a few defenders who are now past their sell by date though.

[marinello59]

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Is there any manager who could bring together all the posters on here?
Stubbsy and Lennon even got trashed on here alot if i remember.

Butcher managed it when he got us relegated.

[silverhibee]

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So literally based on nothing you've seen on the football field then? His values and because he coached Belgium?

Jack Ross had us finish higher than any Hibernian manager since Mowbray. That is fact.

Shaun Maloney will never be near a managers job at the likes of Sunderland. Amazing values or not. He certainly won't get us to 2 finals in a season and finish third either.

Step up and apply for the job when he goes, see what you can do for this squad.

[Lancs Harp]

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I just don't think the players he currently has at his disposal are capable of playing in the system he wants to play.

Totally. Hence the much stated transitional period. Our midfield is nowhere near the mark.

[Jones28]

He needs to be far more pragmatic and realise that these players simply aren’t good enough to play the way he wants.

[silverhibee]

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Theres still some ridiculous overreactions. Getting rid after 6 games?

Nae need, Juergen and Pep from .net know there stuff.

The folk stabbing him in the back tonight are the ones who didn’t rate him when he became our manager, they are sticking to there guns, fairy enough, I’m still backing Maloney to come good as you can see.

[silverhibee]

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He’s a highly respected coach otherwise he wouldn’t have been anywhere near Belgium. He also went through an interview process at the club where they deemed him good enough to be in charge. Give the bloke a chance, it comes across that you want him to do a terrible job so you can say you were right. Weird behaviour.

FWIW Maloney wouldn’t have been my first choice for the job but I’ll back him until I feel that he isn’t the right man for the job. At the moment putting everything into perspective with the sale of our best player, a few injuries and how he is trying to implement a style of play we aren’t used to I’m happy to give him time. A long way to go this season, top four and a trophy still within reach.

Down with this sensible talk.

[davym7062]

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He needs to be far more pragmatic and realise that these players simply aren’t good enough to play the way he wants.

ur dead right but surely he sees that in training

[silverhibee]

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Being a great coach , doesn’t make him a decent manager though. We know they are quite different roles .

No one can be seeing anything that is suggesting he is going to get this right . Not saying , we shouldn’t support him . Of course we should. But there is no signs that he will make us better. I can understand why a number are worried . I’m troubled too

But you are still supporting him, others have the samurai swords out tonight and cutting him to pieces already.

[Real Emerald]

The passing from the back, the huge possession in our own half, the limited chances, the terrible defending and the utter terrible watch is not going to do him any favours. I can’t see him getting out of this anytime soon. The team look like a deer in headlights as does the manager, it’s an embarrassing watch considering Ross didn’t get the chance of his transfer window, injuries coming back and cup final. This is as bad as I’ve seen since Fenton/Butcher, we’ve no midfield at all.

[silverhibee]

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No, I want him to do brilliant so I can say I was talking rubbish. I'm not going to blindly back him based on absolutely zero though. He's no improvement from before and that's based on performances on the pitch. He's got a chance. There's giving him a chance and there's saying he will do better than the last manager who we finished third under though.

What about the perspective when we had a squad out for Covid, loads of injuries and a fixture pile up. We perhaps shouldn't have hounded out the manager who got us to finals and finished third with a sense of perspective but no - we thought we could do better with the players we have - now that's not the case and time, money and new players are needed - that was after backing Jack and Mathie was the devil after the summer. People just make it up as they go along.

No, you are slating him and don’t want him at the club, it’s that simple, but you were willing to back Jack the bottle merchant.

[bigwheel]

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But you are still supporting him, others have the samurai swords out tonight and cutting him to pieces already.

whoever is in the managers seat will get my support …

if anyone wants him out already , then they have a different agenda .

He needs to get his finger out and get some wins - nothing to do with folk on here - we need some points

[Tyler Durden]

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In the first two games under maloney we looked better as we put pressure on the ball high up the pitch. This caused the opponents to lose the ball frequently. We seem to have given up on this tactic and reverted to the way Ross set up

Agree 100% - we’ve just gone back to passively giving the opposition time on the ball. The shape of the team was very clear in those 2 games also IMO. Again, that’s been all over the place since the Celtic game.

It is a worry that we look much worse after the winter break. I get rotation against Cove but why for example did we leave Newell on the bench for the full game today? Crazy stuff, when we’re throwing on the likes of Murphy and Scott

[SMAXXA]

1) doesn’t know his best team
2) too many changes from game to game
3) we have got noticeable worse since the break where we should have got better given he’s had lots of time to work on things
4) failed to address the CM blatant imbalance and had all window to do so
5) not sure he has the fear factor for me all managers should have
6) if the philosophy was the right way why do not many teams play like this, ok on the continent when the games are slower and more technical why have better managers than him not played this way and been successful before
7) strange substitutions
8) you can be a good coach and great guy but that doesn’t mean it will translate to being a manager or even a good one
9) lack of plan B
10) not done himself any favours with the fans with some media and after match interviews

Just a bit of a brain dumb of some of the negatives I can see just now.

Regardless of any of the above the guy needs time and backing. Fans need to be patient as hard as that is, he’s learning on the job aswell we have to understand that and knew what we were in for when he was hired.

I really hope he does well as I like him, but more and more I see this season being a transition and likely more pain to come. Just hope it’s worth it for long term benefit, suspect large number of supporters won’t accept that but is what it is.

[SlickShoes]

I don't think that the tactics were wrong or the style of play was bad, we executed what he wanted reasonably well and played quite well too.

However, Macey gave them a goal, they didn't even have a shot on target in the first half. Campbell has had a howler too, passing the ball directly to an opposition then not tracking back quick enough. Porteous was marking the guy for the corner and it should have been a bread and butter header out.

We are back to making basic mistakes that are costing us games, Nisbet is missing chances but we shouldn't even be in a position where that matters.

I will get pelters for this but Porto is the weak link in the defence, he is erratic and doesn't always do the basics well enough. We had been looking solid at the back apart from the Celtic game, but then we get a game like today and I dunno what to even say if you are the manager.

Murphy and Scott should not feature for hibs ever again.

[Crab apple]

I think Shaun needs to sign a quality experienced midfielder that can help to drive the team forward. With two days until the window shuts I've no idea who that might be though. If we stick with the current squad then the board are effectively writing off the rest of the season.

[Hiber-nation]

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He needs to be far more pragmatic and realise that these players simply aren’t good enough to play the way he wants.

Yep it's so obvious. Newell is obviously more capable of building from the back than Campbell and JDH but it didn't work when he was playing at Motherwell either and we were stuck in our own half retaining meaningless possession for long spells.

It seemed to be working with Boyle in the team though. We are missing him hugely.

[Skol]

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I think Shaun needs to sign a quality experienced midfielder that can help to drive the team forward. With two days until the window shuts I've no idea who that might be though. If we stick with the current squad then the board are effectively writing off the rest of the season.

Stephane Omeonga

[SMAXXA]

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I don't think that the tactics were wrong or the style of play was bad, we executed what he wanted reasonably well and played quite well too.

However, Macey gave them a goal, they didn't even have a shot on target in the first half. Campbell has had a howler too, passing the ball directly to an opposition then not tracking back quick enough. Porteous was marking the guy for the corner and it should have been a bread and butter header out.

We are back to making basic mistakes that are costing us games, Nisbet is missing chances but we shouldn't even be in a position where that matters.

I will get pelters for this but Porto is the weak link in the defence, he is erratic and doesn't always do the basics well enough. We had been looking solid at the back apart from the Celtic game, but then we get a game like today and I dunno what to even say if you are the manager.

Murphy and Scott should not feature for hibs ever again.

Nisbet was good today for the most part but the issue isn’t him just now it’s where and how he’s being asked to play. He’s far too deep and won’t get enough goals playing like we are. See how dangerous he is when he had a go himself near the end with a few decent chances basically created for himself.

I am moaning about him not being on the end of crosses and anticipating things better but equally it’s difficult to drop deep ball goes out wide and hes expected to get on the end of crossed. It’s the set up that’s wrong IMO

[Crab apple]

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Stephane Omeonga

He was head and shoulders above our midfield today and in the game at Livi.

[silverhibee]

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A jack ross team wouldn’t let in 3 against Livi. I said at the time be careful what you wish for. Buckle in. Get behind him. Live the pain.

Oh for f*** sake, another expert who thinks he knows it all, Jack Ross had some horror shows at ER in his time as well, but you know that don’t you Underscore.

[GreenCastle]

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Let's not get all misty eyed about Scotland caps - they were brought in due to injuries, and if you honestly think Paul McGinn is an international player and 'mainstay' you're head is full of cornflakes - it's not about coaching badges, it's what we see week in week out, and for a team to consistently be striving for 3rd at least, neither are the answer going forward (now) - the whole squad needs addressed, no one is doubting what Paul Hanlon in particular has offered over the years (great player and servant). I think the point is that the team, and certain players, have had their moment and it's time for a 'new Hibs'. And Paul McGinn has been utter mince this season, anyone thinking otherwise is deluded. Seriously deluded.

I can see this too.. this new Hibs identity needs key players - it needs fans to be able to say right this is what we are trying to do. These are our key players and they will make us play well. John McGinn / Boyle etc these type of guys who got fans on their feet and brought the crowd together. Add in the quality they brought and they dragged us though games to do well more often than not.

Rotating players and random subs is something I would expect in pre-season. This isn’t an experiment. Maybe rotate Rocky if he’s tired after Motherwell but he comes on after 22 mins then surely he’s fine to start ?

We don’t have the right players for this system - we don’t have good enough players centrally for most systems (or wanting to finish 3rd) - we need to stop letting teams score goals against us.

The spine of the team needs sorted and this is a Jack Ross / Mathie moment (not signing a striker to compete with Nisbet and Doidge -that was even before he was injured - let alone after!!) if he doesn’t sign a decent CM by end of the transfer window the 2nd part of the season will see same frustrating results.