Newell on fans jeers vs Cove

[CockneyRebel]

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Any need to be so wide?

Any need to be so obtuse. Tell me what you mean and I'll try to answer.

[Malthibby]

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Hopefully it has the opposite effect and the wee twat realises the error of his ways.

Hear hear - wee twats become big twats if they think their behaviour is consequence free. Wish I'd been there to give Joe a round of applause.
GG

[lord bunberry]

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Hear hear - wee twats become big twats if they think their behaviour is consequence free. Wish I'd been there to give Joe a round of applause.
GG

So shouting that the team needs to get the finger out is cause enough for players to shout abuse at punters in the stand? He’s going to be doing a lot of shouting to the fans if the current dross him and his team are serving up continues.

[007]

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The Hibs equivalent of that Simpsons episode with soccer in it then

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.e4954872...pid=ImgRaw&r=0

Looks like he was doing a good job considering we were up against Portugal. 😀

[brog]

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

[CockneyRebel]

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OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

[hibsbollah]

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OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

Facts, that’ll never catch on.

[CentreLine]

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OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

🤩 excellent analysis and well worth the time spent. Thank you
Sadly, there are some people who don’t take any notice of facts and reality

[Danderhall Hibs]

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OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

Thanks for that. No doubt someone will tell you they don’t need stats cos they know what they saw.

[hibsbollah]

I particularly like the stat that his average touch taken per possession was, er , 2.

[B.H.F.C]

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🤩 excellent analysis and well worth the time spent. Thank you
Sadly, there are some people who don’t take any notice of facts and reality

Folk just pick the stats that suit them though. Could talk our record with Newell out of the team, but that’ll just be a small sample size or whatever if it doesn’t suit the argument that he’s our best midfielder who has such a big influence on the team.

[hibbysam]

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OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

Outstanding work sir.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Folk just pick the stats that suit them though. Could talk our record with Newell out of the team, but that’ll just be a small sample size or whatever if it doesn’t suit the argument that he’s our best midfielder who has such a big influence on the team.

Yeah everyone does it - that’s what stats are for. Very successfully used last time to sack the manager.

What is our record without him in the team? With him in it it was a 3rd place finish and successive cup finals.

[B.H.F.C]

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Yeah everyone does it - that’s what stats are for. Very successfully used last time to sack the manager.

What is our record without him in the team? With him in it it was a 3rd place finish and successive cup finals.

In the league he missed 6 games last season. We won 5 and lost 1. This season he’s missed 4. We’ve won 3 and drawn 1.

Think it was losing too many games that got Jack the sack to be fair.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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In the league he missed 6 games last season. We won 5 and lost 1. This season he’s missed 4. We’ve won 3 and drawn 1.

Think it was losing too many games that got Jack the sack to be fair.

Small sample size 😂

It was the style of play I think - that’s what they said they want to change in the press when SM was appointed.

[The 90+2]

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I particularly like the stat that his average touch taken per possession was, er , 2.

One of Newells' best attributes for me is the fact he can two-touch control the ball and make a pass regardless of the situation. He is too negative at times though for me although being honest it's probably because you can just see a player in there that could be more attacking and make it work because his control and passing is so comfortable.

[B.H.F.C]

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Small sample size 😂

It was the style of play I think - that’s what they said they want to change in the press when SM was appointed.

That might come. Meantime, at least we’re not losing most weeks.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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That might come. Meantime, at least we’re not losing most weeks.

It’ll have to come - no mights about it, otherwise when we have a bad run the knives will be out.

[jeffers]

Comments about Newell slowing things down, passing back too often were valid in previous games imo, but certainly not the last two. I think he’s been far more positive and has been our best midfielder if not our best player. It’s never been about ability for me, he clearly has that.

[silverhibee]

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It’ll have to come - no mights about it, otherwise when we have a bad run the knives will be out.

Let’s be honest, the knives are being sharpened as we chat.

[Smartie]

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Comments about Newell slowing things down, passing back too often were valid in previous games imo, but certainly not the last two. I think he’s been far more positive and has been our best midfielder if not our best player. It’s never been about ability for me, he clearly has that.

He had a game of two halves last night.

Outstanding first half, went into his shell a bit second half.

He has shown flashes at least though.

JDH was very disappointing last night. I thought he had a great start to the season under Ross.

There have to be question marks over playing the pair of them in the middle together as they haven't cut it for some time.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Let’s be honest, the knives are being sharpened as we chat.

It's nothing to do with the fans.

If the board aren't happy with the way things go, they'll bin Maloney.

If performances and results are decent, they'll stick with him.

[worcesterhibby]

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Comments about Newell slowing things down, passing back too often were valid in previous games imo, but certainly not the last two. I think he’s been far more positive and has been our best midfielder if not our best player. It’s never been about ability for me, he clearly has that.

I would tend to agree with this, if we are talking about the games since SM has been in charge. To be fair JDH has actually been worse at consistently passing backwards in the games I've watched. It felt to me that Newell has played well in the last 2 games and has been much more positive, but we still lack players willing and capable of driving forward with the ball in the middle third of the pitch other than in VERY wide positions. Having a Latapy or SJM type of player makes such a difference and that's what Celtic always seem to have and we very rarely have. Like ourselves Celtic almost always play out from the back, but as soon as there is any space in front of them their players drive forward with the ball through the middle as well as on the wings, committing defenders and creating space.

It's the next piece of the puzzle. I'd love to see up play Mitchell in a central role. just to see what happens !

[brog]

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I particularly like the stat that his average touch taken per possession was, er , 2.

I must admit that surprised me. For the record he had 15 x1 touch, 4 x2, 6 x3, 4 x4 & 1 x5. None of his passes were clerances or hoofs up the park & 28/30 (93.3%) found a Hibs player.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Let’s be honest, the knives are being sharpened as we chat.

It does feel like that.

[The 90+2]

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It does feel like that.

I don't think so. A lot of fans remember managers being sacked and worse being brought in.

The knives being sharpened comment probably came about on here under Butcher or Calderwood before too as well as back him and give him a chance even when disaster stared us in the puss. Not saying that about Maloney but we are allowed to be on our guard and not just blindly back anyone.

There's been very little so far to indicate any sort of improvement and with Boyle leaving then (ironically)stating it's not his team the excuses are out.

We need a win on Saturday because I'm very doubtful we will win the derby.

[WeeRussell]

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I don't think so. A lot of fans remember managers being sacked and worse being brought in.

The knives being sharpened comment probably came about on here under Butcher or Calderwood before too as well as back him and give him a chance even when disaster stared us in the puss. Not saying that about Maloney but we are allowed to be on our guard and not just blindly back anyone.

There's been very little so far to indicate any sort of improvement and with Boyle leaving then (ironically)stating it's not his team the excuses are out.

We need a win on Saturday because I'm very doubtful we will win the derby.

I can definitely hear steel rubbing against steel in this post like…

Do you mean Maloney when you said someone stated “it’s not his team”? If so, what’s ironic about it in relation to Boyle leaving?

[The 90+2]

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I can definitely hear steel rubbing against steel in this post like…

Do you mean Maloney when you said someone stated “it’s not his team”? If so, what’s ironic about it in relation to Boyle leaving?

Because Boyle isn't his team either.

***** like last night, Cove and Parkhead is acceptable because it's not his team yet it's also acceptable because Boyle's left.

Decent Motherwell pun btw.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Because Boyle isn't his team either.

***** like last night, Cove and Parkhead is acceptable because it's not his team yet it's also acceptable because Boyle's left.

Decent Motherwell pun btw.

Look at the games individually.

Celtic park - beaten easily by a team 10x the budget. Hardly some disaster.

Cove - not great, but would've won by 2 or 3 had our early goal been given. Always hard against 10 defenders.

Motherwell - Hard fought point on a horrible night.

This is after 2 brilliant results in his first 2 games. Maloney is doing fine. Anyone doubting him already needs to just get a grip tbh.

[Mutu]

Few notable things from last night.

Was impossible for the wing backs.

- I'm almost certain that Mcginn or Stevenson didn't once attempt to make an overlapping run to create a bit of space for Doig/Cadden. Obviously a tactical choice by Maloney. Given that were were just recycling the ball between left and right it was a huge issue all night.

- Small thing but Cadden/Doig taking throw ins instead of McGinn/Stevenson. Again, made it hard for the wing backs to get any sort of territory.

- Wind made it hard to switch the ball from left the right quickly.

- Campbell/Mueller had a torrid time recieving the ball with their back to goal. Only niSbet long ked capable or recieving the ball but the ball was rarely on for aforementioned reasons.

All in all this game was a direct result of the way we set out to play the game. Find it hard to blame the players when we were so conservative tactically.

Hopefully we learn and move on.

Rocky motm followed by Newell.