Shaun Maloney - Style of play

[Danderhall Hibs]

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What players would these be?

We might have one more join this window, and maybe some departures.

This is our squad now.

He’s brought a raft of players in but most of them haven’t been able to play.

[flash]

Midfield remains the problem in my uneducated eyes.
That three last night are all far too similar and don't get forward enough for this system to work.
Newall is by far the best of the three and should remain as the pivot.
It looks to me as though Henderson will be the one to play " number 10" once he settles in.
The third member is up for grabs as far as I can see. In the ideal world Magennis will get fit and stay fit as he is precisely what is required in there.
The new players all look like they have something to offer and I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell takes the wide left spot ahead of Doig who still needs to work on his end product. Cadden on the other side has been excellent recently.
Porto will make a massive difference at the back and, along with Rocky and Hanlon, seems to form a pretty decent defensive three.
The front of the team is the other area that needs a lot of work.
Personally I would start Doidge and Nisbet up front on Saturday with either Mueller or Henderson in behind.
We still have several players to come into the team and probably one pretty big signing to come so I would be confident of things improving once that happens.

[Iain G]

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If we're playing a 2 in midfield, then Newell and JDH aren't those 2 and Campbell higher up the pitch isn't the answer either. People have to give Maloney a chance to get the correct players in, it will take until at least the summer, until then we play who we have.

Mueller still getting match fit, Henderson the same, Mitchell only signed the day before, still to replace Boyle, Melkerson in a new country and team and a you g lad needing time to settle. People need to get a grip and see the type of player Maloney is after and the style he wants to play, doesn't happen overnight.

We need a Tom Rogic type player in there who can find the sapce and pick a pass into the forwards; or a Scott Allan of old...

[jacomo]

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The game was played in farcical conditions, I wouldn't be judging anyone on that performance.

In this context, a point away to the team currently in 4th isn’t awful.

We know we have issues scoring goals and we’ve just lost our top scorer. A little patience required (except from the Jack Ross boo boys - a lot of patience from them please).

[Greenbeard]

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Midfield remains the problem in my uneducated eyes.
That three last night are all far too similar and don't get forward enough for this system to work.
Newall is by far the best of the three and should remain as the pivot.
It looks to me as though Henderson will be the one to play " number 10" once he settles in.
The third member is up for grabs as far as I can see. In the ideal world Magennis will get fit and stay fit as he is precisely what is required in there.
The new players all look like they have something to offer and I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell takes the wide left spot ahead of Doig who still needs to work on his end product. Cadden on the other side has been excellent recently.
Porto will make a massive difference at the back and, along with Rocky and Hanlon, seems to form a pretty decent defensive three.
The front of the team is the other area that needs a lot of work.
Personally I would start Doidge and Nisbet up front on Saturday with either Mueller or Henderson in behind.
We still have several players to come into the team and probably one pretty big signing to come so I would be confident of things improving once that happens.

Are you Meatloaf incarnate? You took the words right out of my mouth. x13 I make it. Saved me a bit of time writing exactly the same.

[Craigmount Hibs]

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So far his style has led to dismal performances, tonight was as toothless a performance as I’ve seen for a long time. When they went down to 10 men we continued to be ponderous instead of getting the ball quickly up to Doidge and try and win the second ball. It seems to me that Maloney is trying to walk before he can run and it’s not working, he needs to go much slower when changing the style to an all out passing game. We all want to see free flowing attacking football and I’m sure Maloney wants us to be playing it, but we’re so far off that at this stage. The reaction from some of the players at the end wasn’t great either, the fans turned up in decent numbers and supported the team, they got pretty much nothing in the way of entertainment back, it never really ends well when the players start giving the fans stick and Maloney should nip it in the bud quickly because it will be him that suffers if the fans turn on the team.

Spot on.

When Motherwell went down to 10 men, we changed nothing. Carried on keeping possession in our own third of the pitch, we didn't even try any alternative tactic. Sure, Henderson looked bright in his brief cameo at the time, but the half dozen coaches on the bench weren't animated, or encouraging the playes to get forward. We could/should have changed formation, and gone for the win, to go above them in the table, and closer to herts.

That's why I was frustrated. More worryingly, I cannot remember ever watching three such boring games and performances, back to back. I'm hoping there isn't arrogance in the manager thinking his style is right, and everyone else is wrong - because we all know that won't end well....

[Coco Bryce]

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I won't be judging him on a horrendous winters night in Motherwell.

Didn't seem to stop Dundee Utd, Rangers or Celtic getting the job done in the same weather.

[flash]

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Didn't seem to stop Dundee Utd, Rangers or Celtic getting the job done in the same weather.

Alternatively did stop Hertz, Ross County and Livingston.

[Coco Bryce]

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Alternatively did stop Hertz, Ross County and Livingston.

Hearts played well from the highlights I saw. Apart from Hibs, every other team in last nights games had shots on goal.

What's your point?

[flash]

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Hearts played well from the highlights I saw. Apart from Hibs, every other team in last nights games had shots on goal.

What's your point?

There isn't one.

[Coco Bryce]

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There isn't one.

That's fine then

[RossScott1991]

Midfield 3 is the issue

Until a manager changes that we ain’t creating diddly squat.

Being exposed for how much we use to just hit and hope that Boyle does it. We have boring meh footballers in the middle of the park.

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That's fine then

There rarely is a point to my posts to be fair.

[Springbank]

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Midfield remains the problem in my uneducated eyes.
That three last night are all far too similar and don't get forward enough for this system to work.
Newall is by far the best of the three and should remain as the pivot.
It looks to me as though Henderson will be the one to play " number 10" once he settles in.
The third member is up for grabs as far as I can see. In the ideal world Magennis will get fit and stay fit as he is precisely what is required in there.
The new players all look like they have something to offer and I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell takes the wide left spot ahead of Doig who still needs to work on his end product. Cadden on the other side has been excellent recently.
Porto will make a massive difference at the back and, along with Rocky and Hanlon, seems to form a pretty decent defensive three.
The front of the team is the other area that needs a lot of work.
Personally I would start Doidge and Nisbet up front on Saturday with either Mueller or Henderson in behind.
We still have several players to come into the team and probably one pretty big signing to come so I would be confident of things improving once that happens.

Agree with every word

Jdh is playing so far within himself, at the moment, I'd like the coaching staff to show him the video of his debut at fir Park- how energetic he was then, how positive he was then, the urgency he showed then, the movement, going forward (he helped the move to win the penalty).

He needs to get back to that or to get used to that bench

[flash]

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Agree with every word

Jdh is playing so far within himself, at the moment, I'd like the coaching staff to show him the video of his debut at fir Park- how energetic he was then, how positive he was then, the urgency he showed then, the movement, going forward (he helped the move to win the penalty).

He needs to get back to that or to get used to that bench

I know Newall cops the flak but he is miles ahead of the other two in what he gives us.

[MrRobot]

He’s been in the door 5 minutes, give it a ****ing rest.

[superfurryhibby]

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Agree with every word

Jdh is playing so far within himself, at the moment, I'd like the coaching staff to show him the video of his debut at fir Park- how energetic he was then, how positive he was then, the urgency he showed then, the movement, going forward (he helped the move to win the penalty).

He needs to get back to that or to get used to that bench

Is JDH good enough? A few decent games in August, but since then he has been a regular part of a misfiring midfield. I’ve not been convinced by him and think we need more dynamism and forward thinking. He’s not the answer.

As for Maloney and style of play, he needs to be playing Doidge and Nisbet together and picking a side that best suits what he has at his disposal.

[Nicho87]

Taking a step back

Maloney has came up against
Celtic 2nd
Motherwell 4th
Aberdeen 6th
Dundee United (sure they were above us on Boxing Day?)

Lost to Celtic away

Jack Ross I’m not convinced at all would have mustered 2 points out all those fixtures

Believe in maloney

[JohnMcM]

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He’s been in the door 5 minutes, give it a ****ing rest.

FAKE NEWS ALERT! He’s been here since 20/12/21

[B.H.F.C]

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I know Newall cops the flak but he is miles ahead of the other two in what he gives us.

I’m not a Joe Newell but if you were just basing it on the last couple of games then I’d agree, he’s the only one who has really been involved. I hardly noticed JDH last night and Campbell runs a lot but he doesn’t really do anything.

However, on the flip side, the best we’ve looked under Maloney was without Newell playing. Having two of them playing is bad enough but playing all three we got exactly what we were going to get.

[SMAXXA]

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Spot on.

When Motherwell went down to 10 men, we changed nothing. Carried on keeping possession in our own third of the pitch, we didn't even try any alternative tactic. Sure, Henderson looked bright in his brief cameo at the time, but the half dozen coaches on the bench weren't animated, or encouraging the playes to get forward. We could/should have changed formation, and gone for the win, to go above them in the table, and closer to herts.

That's why I was frustrated. More worryingly, I cannot remember ever watching three such boring games and performances, back to back. I'm hoping there isn't arrogance in the manager thinking his style is right, and everyone else is wrong - because we all know that won't end well....

Not really true we went to 2 CHs and changed the shape of just didn’t make much difference but to say we changed nothing isn’t true

[happiehibbie]

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If we're playing a 2 in midfield, then Newell and JDH aren't those 2 and Campbell higher up the pitch isn't the answer either. People have to give Maloney a chance to get the correct players in, it will take until at least the summer, until then we play who we have.

Mueller still getting match fit, Henderson the same, Mitchell only signed the day before, still to replace Boyle, Melkerson in a new country and team and a you g lad needing time to settle. People need to get a grip and see the type of player Maloney is after and the style he wants to play, doesn't happen overnight.

JC
The fans have been going through change since Turnbull tornadoes :)

[J-C]

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Midfield 3 is the issue

Until a manager changes that we ain’t creating diddly squat.

Being exposed for how much we use to just hit and hope that Boyle does it. We have boring meh footballers in the middle of the park.

Therin lies the problem, wr shouldn't be playing a midfield 3, Maloney wants a 343 which is 2 in the middle 2 attacking miss and a striker. The 2 in the middle need to be dynamic and work hard box2box types, we only have Magennis who fits that bill. 343 can change to 3412/3421 depending on who we have but it's still 2 in the middle.

[J-C]

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JC
The fans have been going through change since Turnbull tornadoes :)

You're not wrong S, howz you and the family, well I hope?

[IncredibleHibee]

My opinion has always been we should have given Jack Ross until the end of the season to see if he could turn things around with new additions. My feeling was he would have. I've always been concerned at the appointment of Maloney but still far too early to have an informed opinion on him. My concern really is that anyone can talk a good game but I've not seen any substance. Yes he has been in involved with coaching Belgium but that is a team of the best players in the world. They play slow, dully possession based football with little cutting edge. They are arguable the best national team in the world with a golden generation of players and have not been able to reach a final, nevermind win something.

[flash]

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My opinion has always been we should have given Jack Ross until the end of the season to see if he could turn things around with new additions. My feeling was he would have. I've always been concerned at the appointment of Maloney but still far too early to have an informed opinion on him. My concern really is that anyone can talk a good game but I've not seen any substance. Yes he has been in involved with coaching Belgium but that is a team of the best players in the world. They play slow, dully possession based football with little cutting edge. They are arguable the best national team in the world with a golden generation of players and have not been able to reach a final, nevermind win something.

You say it's too early to have an opinion then spend the rest of the time slating him.

[Since90+2]

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My opinion has always been we should have given Jack Ross until the end of the season to see if he could turn things around with new additions. My feeling was he would have. I've always been concerned at the appointment of Maloney but still far too early to have an informed opinion on him. My concern really is that anyone can talk a good game but I've not seen any substance. Yes he has been in involved with coaching Belgium but that is a team of the best players in the world. They play slow, dully possession based football with little cutting edge. They are arguable the best national team in the world with a golden generation of players and have not been able to reach a final, nevermind win something.

Belgium play slow dull football with little cutting edge? That's up there with some of the most bonkers things that have ever been said on here.

[Ozyhibby]

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I’m not a Joe Newell but if you were just basing it on the last couple of games then I’d agree, he’s the only one who has really been involved. I hardly noticed JDH last night and Campbell runs a lot but he doesn’t really do anything.

However, on the flip side, the best we’ve looked under Maloney was without Newell playing. Having two of them playing is bad enough but playing all three we got exactly what we were going to get.

The best we have looked under Maloney was without Joe Newall? Mmmmm……. I wonder…


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[J-C]

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My opinion has always been we should have given Jack Ross until the end of the season to see if he could turn things around with new additions. My feeling was he would have. I've always been concerned at the appointment of Maloney but still far too early to have an informed opinion on him. My concern really is that anyone can talk a good game but I've not seen any substance. Yes he has been in involved with coaching Belgium but that is a team of the best players in the world. They play slow, dully possession based football with little cutting edge. They are arguable the best national team in the world with a golden generation of players and have not been able to reach a final, nevermind win something.

Yet slag him off at every opportunity comparing him to Cathro. I think whatever opinions you have I'll ignore or thanks.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Hearts played well from the highlights I saw.

I thought so too, getting a tad concerned about next week's game.