Newell on fans jeers vs Cove

[Since90+2]

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Do arguments about which direction a ball is passed really require a high level of football knowledge?

Not a high level, no, but then I never said high level. You just made that bit up.

[loanheadhibby]

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I said “some fans”. Some folk think supporting the team is giving them verbal abuse. It’s a strange way to go about it.

To be honest, I’ve no issues with fans booing. It was atrocious on Thursday night and they let the team know. In 42 years going to ER, it’s been a constant.

In the semi v Falkirk the players were booed on to the field after half time. It’s sink or swim time. Use it as fuel to show fans what you can do.

[Pretty Boy]

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Booing the team at half time/ full time, I have no problem with that if they have been gash.

It’s the folk who single out individual players and pleasure themselves by giving it abuse from the onset that annoys me.

That's where I am even if I rarely join in with the booing. That HT/FT stuff is pantomime and it's certainly not a new phenomenon, I can remember it as a child and it still goes on now, that's at least 30 years it's been happening and plenty former players would back that up as well.

I've never got the absolute bile aimed at individuals though. The odd 'FFS Hibs' or similar is totally understandable but there are definitely a minority who single players out early doors and are on their case for 90+ minutes. One person doing it probably goes unnoticed but it doesn't take more than a few dozen in a crowd of 10K for it to become really audible and that's what we see most weeks at ER.

[loanheadhibby]

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You simply did not watch the match if you think Newell was the problem. You mightve been there, but you didn't watch it. Ran the show, especially 2nd half. Dozens of forward passes.

I agree to an extent but 1st half he was ponderous when he got the ball. He was taking 5/6 touches and then passing it to Hanlon/Hallberg. That allowed Cove to get everyone behind the ball and set up defensively.

He was much better/sharper in last 25 mins/ET. I’m not sure if that was him upping the tempo or if Cove started to tire. I suspect a bit of both.

[brog]

[QUOTE=J-C;6830873]Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.


I'm with you on this 100%. There's supposedly a word for what we do, we are supporters! Booing your own team can never be described as being supportive! Well said Joe and by the way I'm not his biggest fan but I thought he was excellent last week & made plenty forward passes including his Scottyesque pass to Doig, who should have scored.

[HendoDelivered]

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If passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.

😂😂😂 you defo sit and boo

[CockneyRebel]

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If he passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.

So you're implying that he NEVER passes the ball forward?
I think you would find that he passes forward when he sees a forward pass as an option. Perhaps you could ask the other players in his team to actually move into positions where he can find them with a pass. Sometimes the opposition close down and press so well that there is no forward pass option so you need to keep possession until there is. Not saying Joe picks the right option every time but what player does?

Bit simplistic maybe but better than hopeful punts forward and hope for the best.

[silverhibee]

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It’s happening far too often though. I think I’ve actually booed Hibs at half time twice in the 40 odd years I’ve been going to see them, i just couldn’t control my frustration. But it seems to be the done thing now simply if we’re not winning at Halftime or if the play isn’t particularly exciting.

See, this is what I was thinking, I have being going to watch Hibs since I was a kid, my dad would take me as a young boy to ER and I really can’t remember it being like this, after the Athens game we moved to the North stand, my dad was getting on a bit and my son was to young to be in the East, better view from the FF stand but the nastiness directed towards players was over the top and the 1st time I really noticed this behaviour, there was a few older chaps behind us who would give the players pelters and boo them when mistakes were made and a few times I would tell them to shut it and back the players, it seemed to make them worse and others would join in with them, you can’t take them all on, when my dad passed away me and my son moved to to the West, things were a lot worse in the west stand, a lot of folk who thought they new everything about football and how they could do better and boo give abuse to the team, I can remember one game under Calderwood and it was really bad, was sitting next to family members of Nishy and it was embarrassing for them, I lost it that day when a group were screaming at a player to move his arse and being accused of being lazy but it was so obvious the player was injured and at times couldn’t even keep himself onside but this group shouted all sorts of abuse and booed the player, I challenged them and pointed out that player was injured but they knew better, once I started climbing chairs to get to them they seemed to back down and tell me to calm down, they had been at it for a number of games and were getting away with it, I was raging with them, but my wee rant seemed to stop them from giving abuse, it’s the folk who dish it out and think they could do better that are the problem, these players have worked so hard in life from a very young age to make it as pro footballers and yet they are getting booed by folk who don’t play football, players will always make mistakes if it was to be all perfect then football would be so boring.

Maloney has only been here a few games and the knives are been sharpened already, it’s f***ing madness and sad that we have a player come out already to address the nonsense coming from the stands already, SUPPORT the team, that’s what fans are meant to do.

[WhileTheChief..]

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I don't always have a dig at people; where you're getting that from I have no idea?

You said "at least they were there", to me that reads that they turned up, so can shout and boo if they want.

Eh?? That's just a mad interpretation of that I said!!!

The crowds at ER have getting worse and worse recently.

I think the fact that folk were there is pretty decent, I was acknowledging that. There were plenty folk moaning about the lack of fans for example.

I'm not into booing players, but i think they should be able to handle it from a small proportion of a such small crowd.

[SChibs]

What do boos actually achieve? Or just the plain abuse some players are subjected to?

[jacomo]

Booing is generally counter-productive. It gets said so many times but some folk don’t seem to understand that basic point.

However there was a moment in the second half when either Joe or JDH received the ball, turned back towards our goal, got booed and then immediately turned back again towards the opposition. May have been a coincidence but it made me chuckle.

More specifically, anyone who wanted JR out can stfu for at least a couple of months. You wanted change and got it, so do everyone a favour and at least give the new management team a chance to put their ideas into practice.

[Latapy'sVolley]

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I think you would find that he passes forward when he sees a forward pass as an option. Perhaps you could ask the other players in his team to actually move into positions where he can find them with a pass. Sometimes the opposition close down and press so well that there is no forward pass option so you need to keep possession until there is. Not saying Joe picks the right option every time but what player does?

Bit simplistic maybe but better than hopeful punts forward and hope for the best.

Agreed - there's so often that folk get agitated about backwards passes, and I do too if there's a better option further up the park.

But if there's not, and our players choose to recycle the ball rather than lump it aimlessly, then that's a good thing.

[Billy Whizz]

I laugh sometimes when the team are booed off at ht, and cheered when they come back on😂

I’m not a booer myself

[mixumatosis]

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There hasn't been one since SJM left

A guy who has excelled in the EPL and is being widely touted for a £50m move to Man Utd.

Hard to imagine why we might be lacking that sort of player.

[Jones28]

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Eh?? That's just a mad interpretation of that I said!!!

The crowds at ER have getting worse and worse recently.

I think the fact that folk were there is pretty decent, I was acknowledging that. There were plenty folk moaning about the lack of fans for example.

I'm not into booing players, but i think they should be able to handle it from a small proportion of a such small crowd.

On a thread centered on the discussion around booing players its not a mad interpretation IMO.

Anyway, I don't want to argue with you for fear of being accused of picking fights with people - something only you seem to have picked up on - so I'll take my interpretation of you said and leave it at that.

[Conj]

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I laugh sometimes when the team are booed off at ht, and cheered when they come back on😂

I’m not a booer myself

That gets me every time too, just don’t understand it at all.

[B.H.F.C]

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So you're implying that he NEVER passes the ball forward?
I think you would find that he passes forward when he sees a forward pass as an option. Perhaps you could ask the other players in his team to actually move into positions where he can find them with a pass. Sometimes the opposition close down and press so well that there is no forward pass option so you need to keep possession until there is. Not saying Joe picks the right option every time but what player does?

Bit simplistic maybe but better than hopeful punts forward and hope for the best.

He’ll play a forward pass when he has the opportunity, but it never really seems to be his first thought or instinct.

I think a lot of frustration with Newell is that he can do more. I think the ability is there but we get nowhere near enough out of him.

[loanheadhibby]

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I laugh sometimes when the team are booed off at ht, and cheered when they come back on😂

I’m not a booer myself

Maybe we should adopt the Barca approach and wave white hankies instead.

You can’t beat a good boo every now and again. Let’s the frustration out. Granted doesn’t help anyone but it’s a release of tension.

[Mick O'Rourke]

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Booing the team at half time/ full time, I have no problem with that if they have been gash.

It’s the folk who single out individual players and pleasure themselves by giving it abuse from the onset that annoys me.

Could be that grown married men shouting abuse at players gives them solace from the hen pecking they receive indoors

[Gatecrasher]

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I laugh sometimes when the team are booed off at ht, and cheered when they come back on😂

I’m not a booer myself

I mean it is quite funny but I guess it puts the point across that the display in the first half was deemed unacceptable but we still have your back kind of thing.

I feel the Booing versus Cove was merited, I didn't expect us to stroll it but we really struggled at times. It was hard going.

[flash]

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I mean it is quite funny but I guess it puts the point across that the display in the first half was deemed unacceptable but we still have your back kind of thing.

I feel the Booing versus Cove was merited, I didn't expect us to stroll it but we really struggled at times. It was hard going.

Is it not when the team is struggling that the supporters are really needed?

[Alan62]

I found the half-time booing a little bit embarrassing. Same for some of the absolute nonsense that a chap a few seats from me was spouting pretty much the whole game.

As people have mentioned, we had a bit of a makeshift team while the Cove team is clearly a lot better than League 1 level and is very well organised.

As for the style of play, it's clear that we are trying to retain possession and build attacks through the team. Inevitably that means going backwards and sideways at times while looking for opportunities to get in behind teams. It's obvious to me that some people who go to the football don't realise that part of the build-up play is designed to draw opponents out of their defensive set-up in order to create goalscoring opportunities - particularly with teams like Cove who put a lot of bodies behind the ball.

Anyway, I'm glad Joe has spoken up and I hope that people listen.

[happiehibbie]

The game was torture we had no penetration with the possession.

I did not boo the team but Malloney will not get long if this style continues.

Am all for ball retention but FFS that style against Cove was shocking

Nisbet gets a hard time he is coming so deep as the ball seems to be just outside or 18 yard box or does it have to MTRS in the wok world Get him between the post where most goals are scored :)

[silverhibee]

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Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.

I think there is a difference from having a go at things on social media platforms than actually being at the game and dishing it out, players will very seldom come on .net and think, well they experts know what they are talking about and I should listen to them, most will probably think we are talking s***e and know nothing about being a pro footballer, some players can handle the abuse dished out at games and it won’t affect them but there will be others who struggle with it and when playing will play the safe ball ( sideways or backwards) rather than being adventurous because if it doesn’t come of for then the boo boys are on to them and it will affect the confidence for rest of the game.

The team and coaching staff will need a bit time to implement things, it won’t happen overnight but just reading on here you can see that some folk have already made there minds up about our new manager and how he wants the players to play his style, which is madness.

[Gordy M]

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The game was torture we had no penetration with the possession.

I did not boo the team but Malloney will not get long if this style continues.

Am all for ball retention but FFS that style against Cove was shocking

Nisbet gets a hard time he is coming so deep as the ball seems to be just outside or 18 yard box or does it have to MTRS in the wok world Get him between the post where most goals are scored :)

Im sure he will if he continues to win 3 out of 4, only losing away to Celtic.

[bigwheel]

Newell has come out and asked the fans for a wee bit patience . Sharing the challenge of changing the way the play and bedding in different players . He understands a fans frustration but is simply asking for a bit more support and patience during this transition period, as it can be unhelpful at times.

Yet, some fans on here come on and just justify the booing. We’ve got to have some of the grumpiest and least supportive supporters in our league …

[Alan62]

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The game was torture we had no penetration with the possession.

I did not boo the team but Malloney will not get long if this style continues.

Am all for ball retention but FFS that style against Cove was shocking

Nisbet gets a hard time he is coming so deep as the ball seems to be just outside or 18 yard box or does it have to MTRS in the wok world Get him between the post where most goals are scored :)

This simply isn't true. While elements of the game were frustrating, we did have chances to score.

We had a perfectly good goal ruled offside in the first half and two other on-side breakthroughs ruled out during the game. Doidge had a superb overhead kick saved. We put numerous dangerous balls through the box from wide areas and Mueller and Nisbet both had very good chances in the game.

Personally, I think much of the displeasure came from the attitude that it was 'only Cove Rangers' when, in fact, they're a pretty decent team.

[CockneyRebel]

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He’ll play a forward pass when he has the opportunity, but it never really seems to be his first thought or instinct.
I think a lot of frustration with Newell is that he can do more. I think the ability is there but we get nowhere near enough out of him.

I think that says it all. You don't always know if a forward pass is on or not before you receive the ball. Then you have to collect and keep the ball, then you have to see if a pass is on because most times he is getting the ball with an opposing player right up his jacksie so a twist or turn is needed to give him time and room to actually make a pass never mind deciding which direction it's going. His ability to twist and turn to win and keep the ball and get the player off his ass is quite consistent but when he looks up to make the pass is when his options appear. A lot of forward passing is just educated guesswork as to where a team mate is going to find space or make a forward run. When this come off it gets applause and when it flops it gets pelters. Most of these types of forward passes are intercepted by defenders using their experience to read the play and shut avenues down or at least give the guy a hard time. Side ways and backward passing is used by most teams, including international sides, until a way forward looks on. That is the way of the game for the foreseeable future so like it or not it will be around for a while yet.

None of the above is a revelation, it is now basic and occurs in most games and my interpretation of events is, of course, just an opinion.

[B.H.F.C]

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Newell has come out and asked the fans for a wee bit patience . Sharing the challenge of changing the way the play and bedding in different players . He understands a fans frustration but is simply asking for a bit more support and patience during this transition period, as it can be unhelpful at times.

Yet, some fans on here come on and just justify the booing. We’ve got to have some of the grumpiest and least supportive supporters in our league …

Don’t think we’re any different to any other teams in the league, especially in that type of game. Go to Ibrox and Parkhead and it takes them about 15 minutes to start getting on their players backs if they’re not winning.

[B.H.F.C]

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I think that says it all. You don't always know if a forward pass is on or not before you receive the ball. Then you have to collect and keep the ball, then you have to see if a pass is on because most times he is getting the ball with an opposing player right up his jacksie so a twist or turn is needed to give him time and room to actually make a pass never mind deciding which direction it's going. His ability to twist and turn to win and keep the ball and get the player off his ass is quite consistent but when he looks up to make the pass is when his options appear. A lot of forward passing is just educated guesswork as to where a team mate is going to find space or make a forward run. When this come off it gets applause and when it flops it gets pelters. Most forward passes are intercepted by defenders using their experience to read the play and shut avenues down or at least give the guy a hard time. Side ways and backward passing is used by most teams, including international sides, until a way forward looks on. That is the way of the game for the foreseeable future so like it or not it will be around for a while yet.

None of the above is a revelation, it is now basic and occurs in most games and my interpretation of events is, of course, just an opinion.

Good players don’t wait to get the ball then take six touches and 10 seconds to figure out what they’re doing. I’m not saying Newell does that every time he has it, but too often it doesn’t move quick enough. Backwards and sideways is fine when required, shouldn’t be the first thought which I often think it is and it’s a big reason that we’ve struggled for goals relatively often. It’s not about him (or whoever else is playing in there) playing a defence splitting pass every time we get it but it needs to get in to the final third quicker.