Tories are still lying *******s

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Tories going all England v Scotland.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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Tories going all England v Scotland.


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Biggest Scottish Tory rebellion since 1745 😁

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He'll only be gone when his MPs want him gone.

I don't think that is yet. The biggest worry for conservative MPs will be losing their seat at the next GE. There are still a few months of covid issues and probably leaks about goings on in number 10 and they'll want Boris to suck up as much as that bad publicity as he can. They won't want the new PM to have to carry that baggage into the next election and potentially lose them their seats.

My prediction is that Boris will limp on to the end of the year when he'll either be removed or resign. Sunak will be appointed and a GE held at some point in Spring 2023.

i said the same earlier to a colleague, they’ll use Boris as a mule for as much bad news/screw ups/cover ups/negativity as possible, then shove him off a cliff, clearing the slate for his replacement

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Changes w/ 6-7 Jan.

[lapsedhibee]

Rees Mogg giving an absolutely surreal performance on Newsnight.

His 'Ross is a lightweight' produced a rare 'ooft' from Kirsty Wark.

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Rees Mogg giving an absolutely surreal performance on Newsnight.

His 'Ross is a lightweight' produced a rare 'ooft' from Kirsty Wark.

Feral.

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[ronaldo7]

Union Jack, the weasel in the Scotland office, supports Johnson 100% according to Rees Mogg, and is far superior than Douglas Ross. I thought Dross was in charge of the Tories in Scotland

[Bostonhibby]

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What's the likely consequences of this?

The way I read it, the companies who got the contracts would have got them anyway.

Not the ones that never existed before this "opportunity" to fill certain selective boots arose?

I'm thinking Matt Hancock's pub landlord for example.......

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[Northernhibee]

I wonder how the VIP lane being found unlawful will change the plans for Johnson within the Tory party. The longer he's in charge, can't take responsibility for anything and is toxic to them it may spread through the party and take down quite a few careers. Or maybe he's seen in such a bad light that he'll absorb it up and they'll be able to hide behind him.

I still think Johnson is too vain to do the right thing for his party, absorb all of that and move on.

[cabbageandribs1875]

two repugnant compulsive liars....

[JeMeSouviens]

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Feel the "precious union" love: https://twitter.com/BrugesGroup/stat...14392411152389

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I wonder how the VIP lane being found unlawful will change the plans for Johnson within the Tory party. The longer he's in charge, can't take responsibility for anything and is toxic to them it may spread through the party and take down quite a few careers. Or maybe he's seen in such a bad light that he'll absorb it up and they'll be able to hide behind him.

I still think Johnson is too vain to do the right thing for his party, absorb all of that and move on.

Johnson is only a very small part of the moral problem at the top of the Tory party, and the wider establishment though.

I was talking about this to friends last night. The shocking element to this was 'about 100' people were in attendance at this party. This happened in May 2020. Thats twenty months ago. in all that time, all of those attendees kept quiet about something which many of them will have known to be wrong at the time. Plain Wrong, not just Bad Politics. Some of those who didnt attend have said that they thought the email was wrong when they got it. But they still supported their leader, they still kept quiet, they still tolerated this obvious culture of 'One Rule for Them, Another For Us', for over a year and a half. But over a hundred people were there, breaking the rules. How do you keep a secret that long among that many people, most of whom will be senior politicians, civil servants, policy people from think tanks, friends and family, journalists. The Met police clearly knew. On the same day when they were tweeting threats to the public about the consequences of rule breaking. Obviously its of a different magnitude but the Omerta culture actually reminds me of recent abuse cases. And surprise surprise the BBC don't really want to talk about this wider element.

Making this all about The Clown is letting the rest of the absolute pondlife that operate in Whitehall and #10 off the hook.

[Callum_62]

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two repugnant compulsive liars....

If Carlsberg done front pages....

[Northernhibee]

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Johnson is only a very small part of the moral problem at the top of the Tory party, and the wider establishment though.

I was talking about this to friends last night. The shocking element to this was 'about 100' people were in attendance at this party. This happened in May 2020. Thats twenty months ago. in all that time, all of those attendees kept quiet about something which many of them will have known to be wrong at the time. Plain Wrong, not just Bad Politics. Some of those who didnt attend have said that they thought the email was wrong when they got it. But they still supported their leader, they still kept quiet, they still tolerated this obvious culture of 'One Rule for Them, Another For Us', for over a year and a half. But over a hundred people were there, breaking the rules. How do you keep a secret that long among that many people, most of whom will be senior politicians, civil servants, policy people from think tanks, friends and family, journalists. The Met police clearly knew. On the same day when they were tweeting threats to the public about the consequences of rule breaking. Obviously its of a different magnitude but the Omerta culture actually reminds me of recent abuse cases.

Making this all about The Clown is letting the rest of the absolute pondlife that operate in Whitehall and #10 off the hook.

Correct. I'm not convinced the collective attack from all parties at PMQs at the PM is the right move, the questions need to now move on to "Who else was there?" and "who else knew about it?".

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Correct. I'm not convinced the collective attack from all parties at PMQs at the PM is the right move, the questions need to now move on to "Who else was there?" and "who else knew about it?".

Opposition parties and even Tory backbenchers have no real power to dig deep and make real change, even if they wanted to. And we know Sue Gray is about the most establishmenty establishment figure you could think of to head this joke of 'an inquiry'. And even if she does find against him, it appears BJ has the power to veto the findings anyway;

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...civil-servants

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Opposition parties and even Tory backbenchers have no real power to dig deep and make real change, even if they wanted to. And we know Sue Gray is about the most establishmenty establishment figure you could think of to head this joke of 'an inquiry'. And even if she does find against him, it appears BJ has the power to veto the findings anyway;

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...civil-servants

All she's doing is setting out the facts, it will be up to < drum roll > ... the Prime Minister to interpret them. You honestly couldn't make this pish up.

[cabbageandribs1875]

poor wee murray ross

[SHODAN]

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Union Jack, the weasel in the Scotland office, supports Johnson 100% according to Rees Mogg, and is far superior than Douglas Ross. I thought Dross was in charge of the Tories in Scotland

If a Tory becomes FM then the Scotland Office will have more power than SG. Confirmed.

[hibsbollah]

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All she's doing is setting out the facts, it will be up to < drum roll > ... the Prime Minister to interpret them. You honestly couldn't make this pish up.

“The prime minister himself gets to decide if he needs to be investigated under the ministerial code. No one else can make that decision and he has so far refused to give up this veto despite the recommendations from the committee for standards in public life to do so,” he said.

So in that sense at least, we have no more ability to get rid of corrupt leaders than Putin's Russia or Xi's China

[lapsedhibee]

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Johnson is only a very small part of the moral problem at the top of the Tory party, and the wider establishment though.

I was talking about this to friends last night. The shocking element to this was 'about 100' people were in attendance at this party. This happened in May 2020. Thats twenty months ago. in all that time, all of those attendees kept quiet about something which many of them will have known to be wrong at the time. Plain Wrong, not just Bad Politics. Some of those who didnt attend have said that they thought the email was wrong when they got it. But they still supported their leader, they still kept quiet, they still tolerated this obvious culture of 'One Rule for Them, Another For Us', for over a year and a half. But over a hundred people were there, breaking the rules. How do you keep a secret that long among that many people, most of whom will be senior politicians, civil servants, policy people from think tanks, friends and family, journalists. The Met police clearly knew. On the same day when they were tweeting threats to the public about the consequences of rule breaking. Obviously its of a different magnitude but the Omerta culture actually reminds me of recent abuse cases. And surprise surprise the BBC don't really want to talk about this wider element.

Making this all about The Clown is letting the rest of the absolute pondlife that operate in Whitehall and #10 off the hook.

Think it was 100 invited, maybe 30 or 40 attended. I'd like to know why Kuenssberg and Peston never made any reference in the last 18 months to any of the rule breaking that was going on at Downing St.

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Think it was 100 invited, maybe 30 or 40 attended. I'd like to know why Kuenssberg and Peston never made any reference in the last 18 months to any of the rule breaking that was going on at Downing St.

I missed that, i thought it was 100 attended. Point still stands though, all those 100 who were invited knew about it and kept it a secret for all this time. I can't keep a secret for a day and a half That sort of casts doubt on this idea that lots of ordinary Tory MPs hate Boris and want him out. If they did, why not shaft him earlier?

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I missed that, i thought it was 100 attended. Point still stands though, all those 100 who were invited knew about it and kept it a secret for all this time. I can't keep a secret for a day and a half That sort of casts doubt on this idea that lots of ordinary Tory MPs hate Boris and want him out. If they did, why not shaft him earlier?

Out of that 100, very few if any would be MPs or other politicians. Civil servants, spads etc. Which isn't to say lots of other pols didn't know it was going on, but most probably had their own parties to go to.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I missed that, i thought it was 100 attended. Point still stands though, all those 100 who were invited knew about it and kept it a secret for all this time. I can't keep a secret for a day and a half That sort of casts doubt on this idea that lots of ordinary Tory MPs hate Boris and want him out. If they did, why not shaft him earlier?

btw, pretty sure most of these leaks are being coordinated by Cummings and chums. I saw something on twitter last night pointing out that Johnson's "loyalty" to DC over Barnard Castle etc makes much more sense when you realise how much kompromat there was in both directions!

[MartinfaePorty]

I emailed my MP, David Mundell, this morning as I was interested in his opinion, as a Tory MP. I can't be bothered posting the whole response but suffice to say, whilst he didn't say Johnson should go, it was far from a message of overwhelming support! The Scots Tories are revolting!

[Northernhibee]

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/...072846339?s=20

What an utterly despicable prick Rees Mogg is.

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Rees-Mogg makes a fair point for a change.

Snivelling, servile ***** like Murray Ross should know their place.

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Think it was 100 invited, maybe 30 or 40 attended. I'd like to know why Kuenssberg and Peston never made any reference in the last 18 months to any of the rule breaking that was going on at Downing St.

Maybe they didn't think it was that big a deal. They were probably attending media get-togethers themselves.