Coronavirus

[Just Alf]

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Totally anecdotal but not one single person I know who's had covid, and thats quite a few, have reported any symptoms lasting more than a week or two.

I mentioned about my daughter, already in a post on here somewhere, she caught covid when she was a fit and healthy 18 year old, she wasn't too bad with covid at the time but ended up extremely fatigued at the slightest things, end result she was off work for a few months. .... even now coming up for almost 2 years later she still has periods of extreme fatigue and has had to change jobs as a result.

[LunasBoots]

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I mentioned about my daughter, already in a post on here somewhere, she caught covid when she was a fit and healthy 18 year old, she wasn't too bad with covid at the time but ended up extremely fatigued at the slightest things, end result she was off work for a few months. .... even now coming up for almost 2 years later she still has periods of extreme fatigue and has had to change jobs as a result.

I Had the original COVID before vaccinations and was floored for 5 months, still think to this day I've stil got the fatigue issues, sleeping problems...different variant to this one though.

[I'm_cabbaged]

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I Had the original COVID before vaccinations and was floored for 5 months, still think to this day I've stil got the fatigue issues, sleeping problems...different variant to this one though.

I caught it at Christmas, was ok at the time, bit of a heavy cold and some sleepless nights. I’m absolutely gubbed now though and have been put on steroids for my chest, hopefully that clears it up!!

[Sir David Gray]

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 1,383
Edinburgh - 1,019
South Lanarkshire - 795
North Lanarkshire - 679
Fife - 644
Aberdeenshire - 615
Highland - 570
Aberdeen - 499
Renfrewshire - 473
Falkirk - 464
Dumfries and Galloway - 419
North Ayrshire - 395
Perth and Kinross - 314
West Lothian - 312
Moray - 294
Angus - 291
East Ayrshire - 267
Dundee - 243
South Ayrshire - 240
Inverclyde - 232
Stirling - 228
West Dunbartonshire - 217
Argyll and Bute - 215
East Dunbartonshire - 189
East Lothian - 164
East Renfrewshire - 153
Midlothian - 150
Scottish Borders - 147
Clackmannanshire - 103
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 23
Orkney - 11
Shetland - 8

[Santa Cruz]

I think a good way to strike a balance with learning "to live" with covid, would be to make LFD's available on prescription to anyone in the priority vaccination cohorts. That could help build their confidence by asking/providing them to people to use in advance of meeting. Also, issue FFP 2/3 masks on prescription to the same groups. That would be a sensible transitioning strategy for the vulnerable and allow others to regain pre-covid normality.

[Sir David Gray]

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Hospital patients

NHS Ayrshire and Arran - 103 (+20 since 29/12)

NHS Borders - 24 (+16 since 29/12)

NHS Dumfries and Galloway - 11 (-3 since 29/12)

NHS Fife - 73 (+29 since 29/12)

NHS Forth Valley - 60 (+12 since 29/12)

NHS Grampian - 52 (+11 since 29/12)

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde - 334 (+100 since 29/12)

NHS Highland - 28 (+9 since 29/12)

NHS Lanarkshire - 124 (+40 since 29/12)

NHS Lothian - 137 (+68 since 29/12)

NHS Orkney - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Shetland - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Tayside - 80 (+49 since 29/12)

NHS Western Isles - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

ICU patients

NHS Ayrshire and Arran - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Borders - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Dumfries and Galloway - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Fife - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Forth Valley - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Grampian - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde - 6 (+1 since 29/12)

NHS Highland - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Lanarkshire - 9 (+1 since 29/12)

NHS Lothian - 8 (+1 since 29/12)

NHS Orkney - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Shetland - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Tayside - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

NHS Western Isles - Less than 5 (No change since 29/12)

Hospital patients

NHS Ayrshire and Arran - 122 (+19 since last Monday)

NHS Borders - 44 (+20 since last Monday)

NHS Dumfries and Galloway - 30 (+17 since last Monday)

NHS Fife - 77 (+4 since last Monday)

NHS Forth Valley - 95 (+35 since last Monday)

NHS Grampian - 79 (+27 since last Monday)

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde - 475 (+141 since last Monday)

NHS Highland - 34 (+6 since last Monday)

NHS Lanarkshire - 173 (+49 since last Monday)

NHS Lothian - 191 (+54 since last Monday)

NHS Orkney - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Shetland - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Tayside - 102 (+22 since last Monday)

NHS Western Isles - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

ICU patients

NHS Ayrshire and Arran - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Borders - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Dumfries and Galloway - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Fife - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Forth Valley - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Grampian - 8 (+ at least 4 since last Monday)

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde - 12 (+6 since last Monday)

NHS Highland - 5 (+ at least 1 since last Monday)

NHS Lanarkshire - 10 (+1 since last Monday)

NHS Lothian - 7 (-1 since last Monday)

NHS Orkney - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Shetland - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Tayside - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

NHS Western Isles - Less than 5 (No change since last Monday)

[Sir David Gray]

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Rate of cases per 100,000 people in the 7 days up to 2nd January;

Inverclyde - 2,771.9
North Lanarkshire - 2,721.5
South Lanarkshire - 2,694.0
Renfrewshire - 2,690.2
East Renfrewshire - 2,447.4
Moray - 2,415.6
East Dunbartonshire - 2,345.7
East Ayrshire - 2,343.8
West Dunbartonshire - 2,331.9
Glasgow - 2,246.1
West Lothian - 2,141.2
Clackmannanshire - 2,094.0
North Ayrshire - 2,064.1
Falkirk - 2,054.7
South Ayrshire - 2,036.7
Midlothian - 1,935.6
Stirling - 1,909.0
Edinburgh - 1,867.6
Dumfries and Galloway - 1,864.6
Dundee - 1,823.7
Fife - 1,823.2
Perth and Kinross - 1,780.7
Scottish Borders - 1,755.5
Highland - 1,717.7
Aberdeen - 1,711.8
East Lothian - 1,696.0
Angus - 1,626.7
Aberdeenshire - 1,522.0
Argyll and Bute - 1,284.1
Orkney - 1,227.7
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 920.8
Shetland - 634.0

Rate of cases per 100,000 people in the 7 days up to 7th January;

Inverclyde - 2,078.9
South Lanarkshire - 2,049.7
West Dunbartonshire - 2,025.1
Renfrewshire - 1,974.5
North Lanarkshire - 1,809.8
East Renfrewshire - 1,767.6
North Ayrshire - 1,738.5
Moray - 1,718.7
East Ayrshire - 1,695.7
Glasgow - 1,685.7
Falkirk - 1,670.4
East Dunbartonshire - 1,640.5
Clackmannanshire - 1,639.7
Fife - 1,610.9
South Ayrshire - 1,573.0
Dumfries and Galloway - 1,559.8
Angus - 1,530.8
Perth and Kinross - 1,529.2
Aberdeen - 1,506.2
Dundee - 1,485.7
West Lothian - 1,462.3
Stirling - 1,442.4
Edinburgh - 1,397.8
East Lothian - 1,396.7
Midlothian - 1,369.8
Highland - 1,301.0
Aberdeenshire - 1,287.7
Scottish Borders - 1,156.7
Argyll and Bute - 1,016.0
Orkney - 727.7
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 705.7
Shetland - 647.1

[The Harp Awakes]

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I caught it at Christmas, was ok at the time, bit of a heavy cold and some sleepless nights. I’m absolutely gubbed now though and have been put on steroids for my chest, hopefully that clears it up!!

That's grim. Take it easy it easy fella and hope you get better soon

[The Harp Awakes]

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The worst part of that is her saying “we hope omicron is milder”.


No nicola, we KNOW it’s milder. Why are they so scared to admit it?

Who's the WE? The Daily Mail, Boris Johnson and his bunch of chancers, or some other eminent joe bloggs in the street who knows more than the clinical experts?

I certainly don't know for sure that omicron is milder. What I do know is a friend of a friend who was triple jabbed with no underlying health conditions died from Covid in December.

Until the clinicians advise that the threat from the omicron variant is manageable, it's responsible for Governments to be cautious. Just like most European Governments are being, with England being the outlier.

[hibbysam]

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Who's the WE? The Daily Mail, Boris Johnson and his bunch of chancers, or some other eminent joe bloggs in the street who knows more than the clinical experts?

I certainly don't know for sure that omicron is milder. What I do know is a friend of a friend who was triple jabbed with no underlying health conditions died from Covid in December.

Until the clinicians advise that the threat from the omicron variant is manageable, it's responsible for Governments to be cautious. Just like most European Governments are being, with England being the outlier.

We know because just about every single bit of data points to that fact. I’m sorry to hear about the person in question, people are still dying from/with the virus, however it’s now far less people than during the original covid, then from delta. If it wasn’t milder we would’ve heard all about it.

[AugustaHibs]

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Who's the WE? The Daily Mail, Boris Johnson and his bunch of chancers, or some other eminent joe bloggs in the street who knows more than the clinical experts?

I certainly don't know for sure that omicron is milder. What I do know is a friend of a friend who was triple jabbed with no underlying health conditions died from Covid in December.

Until the clinicians advise that the threat from the omicron variant is manageable, it's responsible for Governments to be cautious. Just like most European Governments are being, with England being the outlier.

Sorry to hear about your friends friend but it is milder, it genuinely isn’t even up for discussion.

[The Harp Awakes]

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We know because just about every single bit of data points to that fact. I’m sorry to hear about the person in question, people are still dying from/with the virus, however it’s now far less people than during the original covid, then from delta. If it wasn’t milder we would’ve heard all about it.

As I read your post, I just heard an English professor of medicine on tv saying that the omicron variant is looking as if it is presenting mainly as milder disease. That pretty much repeats what I've heard other clinicians saying over the last week.

So the clinicians are optimistic, which is great, but their interpretation is far from factual. I think i'd prefer take their advice rather than the Daily Mail or some of the Facebook conspiracy theorists. Just as well most Governments are too.

[hibbysam]

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As I read your post, I just heard an English professor of medicine on tv saying that the omicron variant is looking as if it is presenting mainly as milder disease. That pretty much repeats what I've heard other clinicians saying over the last week.

So the clinicians are optimistic, which is great, but their interpretation is far from factual. I think i'd prefer take their advice rather than the Daily Mail or some of the Facebook conspiracy theorists. Just as well most Governments are too.

If it’s far from factual after this period of time then what have they been doing? Id say they wouldn’t publicly say anything they don’t have facts and proof behind. You’ve just said it’s a clinician, not some Facebook conspiracist.

[Sir David Gray]

Covid in Scotland: What happens when the virus becomes 'endemic'?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59938240

[The Harp Awakes]

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If it’s far from factual after this period of time then what have they been doing? Id say they wouldn’t publicly say anything they don’t have facts and proof behind. You’ve just said it’s a clinician, not some Facebook conspiracist.

4/5 weeks ago none of us had even heard of the omicron variant. I'm no expert, but that doesn't sound like a lot of time to come to a definitive view of the effects of a virus variant, which has ripped through the world's population at lightening speed.

What definitely is a fact, is that we don’t know the effect of contracting the omicron variant on the human body 4/5 weeks after getting it. Unless some folk can see into the future that is

[hibbysam]

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4/5 weeks ago none of us had even heard of the omicron variant. I'm no expert, but that doesn't sound like a lot of time to come to a definitive view of the effects of a virus variant, which has ripped through the world's population at lightening speed.

What definitely is a fact, is that we don’t know the effect of contracting the omicron variant on the human body 4/5 weeks after getting it. Unless some folk can see into the future that is

The first case in the UK was around 6 weeks ago. Before that it had been in SA for a while. The data since then with all cases of Omicron are clearly pointing to it being very mild, cold like symptoms at most. Just about every study I’ve seen has confirmed this, not by the daily mail, not on Facebook, but by respected scientists the world over.

That’s not a hunch, it’s based on clear evidence.

[AugustaHibs]

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4/5 weeks ago none of us had even heard of the omicron variant. I'm no expert, but that doesn't sound like a lot of time to come to a definitive view of the effects of a virus variant, which has ripped through the world's population at lightening speed.

What definitely is a fact, is that we don’t know the effect of contracting the omicron variant on the human body 4/5 weeks after getting it. Unless some folk can see into the future that is

Thankfully, you’re way off the mark.


As if only people on Facebook are saying it’s mild. Laughable.

[SteveHFC]

According to The Times.

Full crowds will be back from next Monday.

[Stairway 2 7]

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4/5 weeks ago none of us had even heard of the omicron variant. I'm no expert, but that doesn't sound like a lot of time to come to a definitive view of the effects of a virus variant, which has ripped through the world's population at lightening speed.

What definitely is a fact, is that we don’t know the effect of contracting the omicron variant on the human body 4/5 weeks after getting it. Unless some folk can see into the future that is

No the lab trials and real world evidence from hundreds of thousands of people are putting it at at least 70% milder. Phe estimated 70% about 3 weeks ago South Africa similar after data of 300,000 cases. The lab testing has it at milder. It just is milder and NS knew this as fact weeks ago.

She doesn't want to say it's milder as it's obviously still not something you want, if you say it's milder people say I'm not doing any more restrictions.

She was happy to say it might be as dangerous when a Danish study of 20 people showed that. When the study had thousands and showed its much milder. Then hundreds of lab and real life studies showed its milder, its silly to say might be now

[Stairway 2 7]

Interesting data from France. Omicron makes up 90% of cases but 54% of hospitalisations. Lots of trouble from delta still, hopefully it gets driven out soon. Lots of incidentals in France too

Paul Mainwood
@PaulMainwood
France splitting hospitalisation data by variant! In the UK we are forced to infer from time series - very prone to error.
Omicron associated with shorter stays (43% less than a day!) and with less critical care.

[LunasBoots]

NS on the news ealiar with Mackay (who has previous for being a arse) interviewing was something else, stumbling her words and getting pissed off when asked difficult questions.

The tone has changed with her though and pretty certain most restrictions will be lifted.

[HH81]

Do you think we will see restrictions from 500 to full grounds or another random number coming out?

[Sir David Gray]

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Do you think we will see restrictions from 500 to full grounds or another random number coming out?

I'm now quite hopeful of full grounds from next week.

[Callum_62]

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NS on the news ealiar with Mackay (who has previous for being a arse) interviewing was something else, stumbling her words and getting pissed off when asked difficult questions.

The tone has changed with her though and pretty certain most restrictions will be lifted.

Imagine a politician stumbling there words - that might just be the smoking gun

#resignSturgeon

Is it todsy we find out about the restrictions being lifted?

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[Sir David Gray]

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Imagine a politician stumbling there words - that might just be the smoking gun

#resignSturgeon

Is it todsy we find out about the restrictions being lifted?

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Yes, thought it would be tomorrow but it's today and the programme starts at 2:15pm on BBC Scotland.

[Sir David Gray]

The Scottish Government is being urged to halve the Covid self isolation period from 14 days to seven for care home residents.

Current isolation rules have been deemed “barbaric and damaging” by relatives and care providers, which see residents confined to their rooms for 14 days – twice as long as the rest of the population.

They are calling for the rules to be brought in line with changes made for the general public last week.

https://news.stv.tv/politics/calls-t...-to-seven-days

[Jamesie]

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According to The Times.

Full crowds will be back from next Monday.

Although the detail of the times article seems to suggest to me that it isn't as clear cut and might hint at an extension - for my money it would be to no later than 31 Jan given the fixtures that follow.

All of that said I'd listen to LaMotta's views above before those of the Times 😁

[grunt]

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Hospital patients

NHS Lothian - 191 (+54 since last Monday)

176% increase in hospital patients in Lothian with Covid since 29/12 (less than 2 weeks ago).

[Skol]

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Imagine a politician stumbling there words - that might just be the smoking gun

#resignSturgeon

Is it todsy we find out about the restrictions being lifted?

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There is of course no smoking gun but its yet another example of the poor leadership we have in Scotland.

It seems pretty clear that the recent restrictions were poorly targeted and had next to no impact at all on our experiences. They did however have a significant impact on some businesses and some of their staff.

I am sure come 14:15 we will see some changes, but I will not be surprised if somehow its all the fault of Westminster.

[Berwickhibby]

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There is of course no smoking gun but its yet another example of the poor leadership we have in Scotland.

It seems pretty clear that the recent restrictions were poorly targeted and had next to no impact at all on our experiences. They did however have a significant impact on some businesses and some of their staff.

I am sure come 14:15 we will see some changes, but I will not be surprised if somehow its all the fault of Westminster.

Spot on….great and accurate post