Shaun Maloney - Style of play

[Hibbyradge]

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Haha how many will get that.

Frow him to the floor and swike him, vewy woughly!

[B.H.F.C]

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Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.

Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.

I don’t think people think we’re suddenly a brilliant team. What people are responding to is the posters who claim there isn’t anything noticeably different.. Putting aside whether you prefer a Maloney style or a Ross style, there can’t be any real debate that there is a different way of playing surely. Before you even consider what has happened in the game they’re set up differently for a start.

I suppose it’s just a coincidence that the people not seeing anything different were vocal about the sacking of Ross (or appointment of Maloney).

[Keith_M]

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Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.

Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.

I'd have to say that I'm somewhere in the middle.

I don't think Maloney has suddenly turned us into world beaters and I found large parts of the Aberdeen game a bit boring, TBH, but I do recognise that the style of play (at least the intent) is very different.

What I would say is that the way he wants the team to play looks very encouraging and I'm looking forward to seeing more of that when the squad we currently have, and hopefully a couple of additions in January, have a lot more time to put it into practice.

[lord bunberry]

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Having rewatched it, there is a:

Different formation
Different intensity pressing in their half
Different intensity pressing in our half
Much less long diagonals from Macey and Porteous
Much more short passes from deep positions
Much more off the ball movement

I think those claiming not to have seen much difference are arguing a position for the sake of it.

The short passes and trying to play out from the back is something I like but it almost cost us a goal and put us under pressure when Dundee Utd were pushing us back after they scored. I hope it’s something we’re working hard on during the break because when we play teams like Celtic or the huns we don’t want to be losing the ball around our own box.

[BILLYHIBS]

533 to 243 completed passes and 65-35% possession says it all

It can only get better with some serious work at HTC and hopefully some new additions

The futures bright the futures green and white

[Since452]

As long as Hibs continue to win, Jack Ross will become a distant memory. I said on another thread that we have a good group of players who were punching below their weight. It's maybe just taken a new guy to come in and freshen it up a bit. I was really gutted it didn't work out for Ross but Hibs are the most important thing. So far so good. We can still challenge for 3rd this season. More than good enough.

[Shrekko]

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I don’t think people think we’re suddenly a brilliant team. What people are responding to is the posters who claim there isn’t anything noticeably different.. Putting aside whether you prefer a Maloney style or a Ross style, there can’t be any real debate that there is a different way of playing surely. Before you even consider what has happened in the game they’re set up differently for a start.

I suppose it’s just a coincidence that the people not seeing anything different were vocal about the sacking of Ross (or appointment of Maloney).

I wasn’t particularly vocal about the sacking of JR - as it was clear for whatever reason he would never be accepted by some and therefore for the best. My gripe was the treatment of him by some fans from the start. I had people on the bus for the cup final telling me with a straight face he was worse than Butcher.

FYI I am delighted with Maloney’s appointment - the sort of move that has worked well for us in the past and I like the coaching experience he has had.

Of course he will have his own ideas on tactics and has changed the team up both times. I’ve admitted already I don’t have this deep knowledge of modern tactics that others appear to have but to claim such an apparently
“night and day” change on such a small sample size is ridiculous.

The main criticism of JR was poor football. All I’ve said is that the 2 games haven’t been super exciting and the first one was God awful. So yes he will undoubtedly do things differently but we still don’t know if it’ll give us this incredible football everyone seems to think we’re entitled to.

I am 100 percent behind Maloney and hope he gives us what we all crave - I’m just not going to say it’s here after 2 games. Surely that’s fair?

[Hibbyradge]

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Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.

Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.

I liked Jack Ross and I was very surprised when he was "relieved of his duties" because as far as I was concerned, it was a mistake. I'm hoping that it was me that was wrong, not Hibs but we'll have to wait to see.

However, there was a definite difference in the way we set up and played in both games. I'm not saying that we were amazing, particularly because we didn't have much penetration up front, but there were marked differences in our approach.

[Shrekko]

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I liked Jack Ross and I was very surprised when he was "relieved of his duties" because as far as I was concerned, it was a mistake. I'm hoping that it was me that was wrong, not Hibs but we'll have to wait to see.

However, there was a definite difference in the way we set up and played in both games. I'm not saying that we were amazing, particularly because we didn't have much penetration up front, but there were marked differences in our approach.

This is the point I’m making - it’s obvious that every manager has a different approach. That’s a given.

People can write as many lists as they want about the differences but it’s only going to matter if they work and make us what people want us to be. Two games is too early to say.

All this stuff about what kind of “press” we use etc really doesn’t interest me. After 90 minutes of football you either enjoy it or you don’t. I’ve said we’ve only watched 2 games - 1 was awful, 1 was good. Too early to say that the changes are what’s going to work.

[B.H.F.C]

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I wasn’t particularly vocal about the sacking of JR - as it was clear for whatever reason he would never be accepted by some and therefore for the best. My gripe was the treatment of him by some fans from the start. I had people on the bus for the cup final telling me with a straight face he was worse than Butcher.

FYI I am delighted with Maloney’s appointment - the sort of move that has worked well for us in the past and I like the coaching experience he has had.

Of course he will have his own ideas on tactics and has changed the team up both times. I’ve admitted already I don’t have this deep knowledge of modern tactics that others appear to have but to claim such an apparently
“night and day” change on such a small sample size is ridiculous.

The main criticism of JR was poor football. All I’ve said is that the 2 games haven’t been super exciting and the first one was God awful. So yes he will undoubtedly do things differently but we still don’t know if it’ll give us this incredible football everyone seems to think we’re entitled to.

I am 100 percent behind Maloney and hope he gives us what we all crave - I’m just not going to say it’s here after 2 games. Surely that’s fair?

The first one was three days after a cup final defeat, we just found a way to win. I don’t think I’m an expert by any means, but there were two or three things that were noticeable within minutes of that game kicking off. We didn’t execute things particularly well but you could see he was asking them to do things differently. Thought we took that on a step yesterday and totally controlled the game.

My biggest criticism of Ross was that we became too reliant on one player to score and create for us. That’s four goals we’ve scored so far under Maloney, four different scorers. Cadden and Doig, in particular, look like they have much more license to get in to the box.

[1875Hibees]

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Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.

Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.

There's no way that you couldent have noticed the huge improvement already over the Jack Ross "style". There's no chance you could have watched that and think we have played that type of football under Ross. Why do you think fans didnt like Jack Ross? Do you think fans would just choose to dislike him for no reason? People didnt like him because we were terrible to watch. And I admit im one who was losing a bit of interest when he was in charge. Im very happy with Maloney though and the way he is going to have us playing. So many things were different and soooooo much better than anything for a while performance wise. Thats the most ive enjoyed watching us since Lennon.

[Shrekko]

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The first one was three days after a cup final defeat, we just found a way to win. I don’t think I’m an expert by any means, but there were two or three things that were noticeable within minutes of that game kicking off. We didn’t execute things particularly well but you could see he was asking them to do things differently. Thought we took that on a step yesterday and totally controlled the game.

My biggest criticism of Ross was that we became too reliant on one player to score and create for us. That’s four goals we’ve scored so far under Maloney, four different scorers. Cadden and Doig, in particular, look like they have much more license to get in to the box.

To be fair Boyler has created the first 3 goals under SM😀

I’m all for everyone getting behind the team - I’m well into that, so long may it continue. I have a hunch we’re going to do well but I’m just not going to claim that it’s been like watching a different team yet. It’s too early.

I actually thought when Heckingbottom came in he initially got a lot more out of Lennon’s players and you could see a difference … and that went pear shaped.

Managers need to be given a reasonable time before we judge them well or badly.

[jacomo]

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I wasn’t particularly vocal about the sacking of JR - as it was clear for whatever reason he would never be accepted by some and therefore for the best. My gripe was the treatment of him by some fans from the start. I had people on the bus for the cup final telling me with a straight face he was worse than Butcher.

FYI I am delighted with Maloney’s appointment - the sort of move that has worked well for us in the past and I like the coaching experience he has had.

Of course he will have his own ideas on tactics and has changed the team up both times. I’ve admitted already I don’t have this deep knowledge of modern tactics that others appear to have but to claim such an apparently
“night and day” change on such a small sample size is ridiculous.

The main criticism of JR was poor football. All I’ve said is that the 2 games haven’t been super exciting and the first one was God awful. So yes he will undoubtedly do things differently but we still don’t know if it’ll give us this incredible football everyone seems to think we’re entitled to.

I am 100 percent behind Maloney and hope he gives us what we all crave - I’m just not going to say it’s here after 2 games. Surely that’s fair?

Wow, some people really do know FA about football.

That’s fine, but I wish they would spare us their opinions. One of the problems with the world is that, because it’s now possible for almost anybody to publish their views, they think they have some validity.

[lucky]

I thought you could see the difference in style yesterday. Hibs played a high press and passed the ball a lot more. We tired a bit but it’s clear SM wants them to play a different way. But if he keeps winning most fans won’t bother.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Or maybe some people didn't want Maloney so will see what they want 👀

I wasn't clambering for Ross to get sacked but the difference in style of play is night and day

The same could equally be levelled at those who are saying they see a dramatic change in our play though!!

I’m no expert on formations or tactics but I know what I enjoy watching. If results keep going the way they are then I’ll be delighted with Maloney no matter what the style of play. I wasn’t keen on his appointment.

There’s a lot of us out there, why not just accept some people’s views differ and that it’s a genuine take on things and not looking for a fight?

Peace and goodwill and all that

[hibsbollah]

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There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Thomas Tuchel is the classic example when he took over from Lampard at Chelsea. Straightaway went to 3 at the back and more patient style, a few days after he arrived they drew 0-0 with Wolves with 79% possession, they didn’t concede for the first 5 games, went unbeaten in 11. They were a shower in the last days of Lampard.

Tuchel is a special case obsessive coach i grant you, we’ll be lucky if Maloney is half as talented, but you definitely CAN change things overnight.

[04Sauzee]

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The same could equally be levelled at those who are saying they see a dramatic change in our play though!!

I’m no expert on formations or tactics but I know what I enjoy watching. If results keep going the way they are then I’ll be delighted with Maloney no matter what the style of play. I wasn’t keen on his appointment.

There’s a lot of us out there, why not just accept some people’s views differ and that it’s a genuine take on things and not looking for a fight?

Peace and goodwill and all that

That definitely wasn't me looking for a fight as you say goodwill and all that.

[Since452]

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Thomas Tuchel is the classic example when he took over from Lampard at Chelsea. Straightaway went to 3 at the back and more patient style, a few days after he arrived they drew 0-0 with Wolves with 79% possession, they didn’t concede for the first 5 games, went unbeaten in 11. They were a shower in the last days of Lampard.

Tuchel is a special case obsessive coach i grant you, we’ll be lucky if Maloney is half as talented, but you definitely CAN change things overnight.

The players need to be capable of changing. Luckily we have decent players already.

[Tambo]

Even the simple things like corners and set pieces have improved under Shaun.

No more long punts up the Field from the defence and the pressing is much more organized.

[Unseen work]

I think there have been some very obvious changes, but it’s not like we’re playing amazing fast, free flowing football yet which I think is where some people are getting confused about the points being put across.

Noticeable changes for me;

Formation - 3421 - Allows Boyle and Wright/Allan to drift into gaps between fullbacks and the centre half which makes them hard to pick up. They can also go in behind when Nisbet drops deep to offer a vocal point.

Wing backs - Much higher and wider when in possession this pins back the opposition and then creates space for others from drop in and get the ball off the defence. Wright dropped into the space on the left numerous times yesterday and was unmarked because of the space made by Doig. He could get on it and drive forward.

Passing - No aimless punts forward or rush to go in behind. Everything is short and sharp and when it is long it’s a directed long pass to isolate our wingers or wing backs. Campbell, Hanlon and Porteous were very good at this yesterday.

Defensively- Our back 3/5 are a lot tighter when out of possession which leaves smaller gaps to exploit. We also try and win it back alot higher.

One of the things about the formation is it allows for example Boyle to press the left back in possession of the ball, Nisbet to shut off the centre half and Wright tucks in on the deepest midfielder to close off that pass. Cadden is high on the winger and the rest of the midfield have a man each leaving the ball to either go long or a switch of play to the opposite full back where Wright and Boyle would switch roles.

Like I said we’re not playing “sexy” football, but I think it will come as this way of playing encourages it. I think we need new players for it to fully work though.

[Shrekko]

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Thomas Tuchel is the classic example when he took over from Lampard at Chelsea. Straightaway went to 3 at the back and more patient style, a few days after he arrived they drew 0-0 with Wolves with 79% possession, they didn’t concede for the first 5 games, went unbeaten in 11. They were a shower in the last days of Lampard.

Tuchel is a special case obsessive coach i grant you, we’ll be lucky if Maloney is half as talented, but you definitely CAN change things overnight.

You can if you’re Teuchal and also happen to have a world class squad of players at your disposal yes. You’ve alluded to it yourself - we’re not comparing like for like.

I’m still going to stick with saying I’ve seen nothing dramatic…. but then again I don’t expect it yet so that is no criticism of the new boss.

We kind of took the mickey out of Jambos who believed they were the new Borrusia Dortmund within minutes of Daniel Stendel arriving. Just not getting carried away yet after one decent enough performance.

[Jones28]

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Only stats but the difference between the 3-1 cup win and yesterday

3-1 cup win


Yesterday 3-1

Those passing stats 👏👏

[mal]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

[Jones28]

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I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

Oh ffs.

[Northernhibee]

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I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

I'll be honest, I thought the link up play for all three goals was excellent and we were unlucky not to add a couple more. We dominated possession, our passing was crisp and accurate, we managed something like fourteen or fifteen attempts and we used the full width of the pitch to stretch them and create.

You're entitled to your opinion but I struggle to see where you're coming from. I thought we were comfortably the better and more dangerous team.

[greenlex]

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I think there have been some very obvious changes, but it’s not like we’re playing amazing fast, free flowing football yet which I think is where some people are getting confused about the points being put across.

Noticeable changes for me;

Formation - 3421 - Allows Boyle and Wright/Allan to drift into gaps between fullbacks and the centre half which makes them hard to pick up. They can also go in behind when Nisbet drops deep to offer a vocal point.

Wing backs - Much higher and wider when in possession this pins back the opposition and then creates space for others from drop in and get the ball off the defence. Wright dropped into the space on the left numerous times yesterday and was unmarked because of the space made by Doig. He could get on it and drive forward.

Passing - No aimless punts forward or rush to go in behind. Everything is short and sharp and when it is long it’s a directed long pass to isolate our wingers or wing backs. Campbell, Hanlon and Porteous were very good at this yesterday.

Defensively- Our back 3/5 are a lot tighter when out of possession which leaves smaller gaps to exploit. We also try and win it back alot higher.

One of the things about the formation is it allows for example Boyle to press the left back in possession of the ball, Nisbet to shut off the centre half and Wright tucks in on the deepest midfielder to close off that pass. Cadden is high on the winger and the rest of the midfield have a man each leaving the ball to either go long or a switch of play to the opposite full back where Wright and Boyle would switch roles.

Like I said we’re not playing “sexy” football, but I think it will come as this way of playing encourages it. I think we need new players for it to fully work though.

I don’t actually think there’s much change in the formation. It’s all down to tempo keeping shape better with the wing backs wide and players actually moving that bit sharper and faster. The movement is allowing the passing and not defaulting to defenders with no option but to shell it long to static players. When it is going long there’s movement so it’s not coming straight back at us. There’s a willingness to close down opponents quickly either in midfield or even the front guys. It’s very noticeable. Right now we can’t do it for the full 90 mins but Maloney alluded to that being the goal. That willingness to run behind defenders got us our second goal yesterday. We haven’t seen near enough of it so far this season with players either being defensive or playing all too safe

[JimBHibees]

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I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

You sound gutted.

[H18 SFR]

The pass accuracy stat of 89% is incredible.

[H18 SFR]

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I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

Lost for words. Genuinely.

[Hibee Mac]

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I think there have been some very obvious changes, but it’s not like we’re playing amazing fast, free flowing football yet which I think is where some people are getting confused about the points being put across.

Noticeable changes for me;

Formation - 3421 - Allows Boyle and Wright/Allan to drift into gaps between fullbacks and the centre half which makes them hard to pick up. They can also go in behind when Nisbet drops deep to offer a vocal point.

Wing backs - Much higher and wider when in possession this pins back the opposition and then creates space for others from drop in and get the ball off the defence. Wright dropped into the space on the left numerous times yesterday and was unmarked because of the space made by Doig. He could get on it and drive forward.

Passing - No aimless punts forward or rush to go in behind. Everything is short and sharp and when it is long it’s a directed long pass to isolate our wingers or wing backs. Campbell, Hanlon and Porteous were very good at this yesterday.

Defensively- Our back 3/5 are a lot tighter when out of possession which leaves smaller gaps to exploit. We also try and win it back alot higher.

One of the things about the formation is it allows for example Boyle to press the left back in possession of the ball, Nisbet to shut off the centre half and Wright tucks in on the deepest midfielder to close off that pass. Cadden is high on the winger and the rest of the midfield have a man each leaving the ball to either go long or a switch of play to the opposite full back where Wright and Boyle would switch roles.

Like I said we’re not playing “sexy” football, but I think it will come as this way of playing encourages it. I think we need new players for it to fully work though.

You're bang on with this post mate.

I'm amazed that anyone can honestly say there is little difference in style of play, but like you say it's probably people getting confused between "new style of play" and "amazing football".

No one is trying to say we are playing great stuff at the minute, but it's definitely a new way of playing and most importantly you can see the potential for it to be brilliant if done well. It's already better and it's been a few days so there is massive scope for this style to work well.