Hibernian FC Cup Final Record - beware contains depressing analytics

[Spike Mandela]

It’s just randomness, not a pattern. We could win our next five finals and change the whole scenario.

[Hibs07p]

What is our league cup record in finals played in December?
Clutching at straws here.
1972 9th December Celtic 1 - 2 Hibs.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[adam middlemass]

Yes my first cup final was against Celtic in 68/69 season L/C, beaten 6-2. Second one a couple of years later in S/C, beaten 6-1. We then won the league cup in 72/73, Hibs 2 - 1 Celtic. Sitting here after all these years I would never have believed our record would have been as poor as it is, but that day in May 2016-in my book anyway, made up for all that heartbreak, I can assure you!

[HibeeHibernian4]

Unfortunately it goes further back than 1972*, since we won the league for the last time in 1953, we then lost three finals before winning our next trophy (1972 LC), then the every fourth final continues from there. Final two out of four of the streak today, break the curse Hibs!

[Steven79]

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The most let down support in Scottish Football history surely

Dundee United can't be far off...

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[Pagan Hibernia]

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Dundee United can't be far off...

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17 finals, 4 wins

[Steven79]

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17 finals, 4 wins

Does that include their EUFA cup final?

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[Pagan Hibernia]

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Does that include their EUFA cup final?

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actually no, make it 4 wins in 18 finals

[Ronniekirk]

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17 finals, 4 wins

It’s a poor return to say the least


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[Dr What If?]

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actually no, make it 4 wins in 18 finals

To be fair, if one of our cup final defeats was in the UEFA cup I think I might let the club off with that . I remember that United team, some side.....think they lost to St Mirren in the Scottish Cup final that year too. There was a shock in the FA Cup that year with Coventry winning the cup.....an absolute superstar of the game got their winner that day, a certain Keith Houchen.

[Steven79]

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actually no, make it 4 wins in 18 finals

They lost so many Scottish Cup finals in the 80's under Jim McLean.

They should have won far more trophies under him but playing the same team week in week out cost them.

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[oramhibee]

26 Scottish & League cup final appearances. We’ve only won 6. No matter how many we win in the future, we’ll always have 20 more appearances than wins

[Steven79]

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26 Scottish & League cup final appearances. We’ve only won 6. No matter how many we win in the future, we’ll always have 20 more appearances than wins

That's a depressing stat.



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[Glory Lurker]

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You could look on the brighter side, some of the teams that have made it to finals have been fairly crap. Our record for getting to semi finals is amazing, given our league positions in those years.

Is our semi final record even worse than our final record? I dread to think! :-)

[Glory Lurker]

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They lost so many Scottish Cup finals in the 80's under Jim McLean.

They should have won far more trophies under him but playing the same team week in week out cost them.

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They were unlucky in their finals. 81 they hadn't hit top strength and 87 and 88 they were on the downward slide.

A lot of why they won the league in 82/83 was down to playing the same team. They were lucky to avoid injuries, but I think they won the league using something unbelievable like 14 players. They should also have been in the European Cup Final in 1984, and who knows?

[Greenbeard]

My factual analysis:
Winning a cup final is the dog's bollocks.
Losing in a cup final is better than losing in the semi.
Losing in a semi is better than losing in the quarters.
Losing in the quarters etc........
The reality is that in the last 10 years we have over-achieved in terms of our overall progression in the cups. Glass half full, not half empty.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

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Being of an analytical mindset, thought I would look at our cup final trends. It's depressing, but as is often stated "Past performance is no guarantee of future results".

Since our cup final win in 1973 we lose three cups finals that we play, winning the 4th. Sad to say, but we may have to have another two days like yesterday before we win the next!!! Also, we win a Scottish Cup once in every century!!! And we win a League Cup once after every two losses!!!

Both competitions

1973 LC Win
1975 LC Loss
1979 SC Loss
1986 LC Loss
1991 LC Win
1994 LC Loss
2001 SC Loss
2004 LC Loss
2007 LC Win
2012 SC Loss
2013 SC Loss
2016 LC Loss
2016 SC Win
2021 SC Loss

It's similarly depressing when you look at our record in each cup.

Scottish Cup, 15 finals, 3 wins, 12 losses including 10 in a row. We win a Scottish Cup once in every century!!! For our record to be symmetrical, we'll win the next final we're at!
League Cup, 10 finals, 3 wins, 7 losses. We win a League Cup once after every two losses!!!

Scottish Cup

1887 SC Win
1896 SC Loss
1902 SC Win
1914 SC Loss
1923 SC Loss
1924 SC Loss
1947 SC Loss
1958 SC Loss
1972 SC Loss
1979 SC Loss
2001 SC Loss
2012 SC Loss
2013 SC Loss
2016 SC Win
2021 SC Loss

League Cup

1951 LC Loss
1969 LC Loss
1973 LC Win
1975 LC Loss
1986 LC Loss
1991 LC Win
1994 LC Loss
2004 LC Loss
2007 LC Win
2016 LC Loss

So to continue that run. We have to lose our next final which is the Scottish Cup, but the next final after that which is the League Cup we win. I think. 😏

[tamig]

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26 Scottish & League cup final appearances. We’ve only won 6. No matter how many we win in the future, we’ll always have 20 more appearances than wins

You can twist that stat however you like. If we win our next 100 that record is pretty phenomenal.

[Glory Lurker]

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You can twist that stat however you like. If we win our next 100 that record is pretty phenomenal.

Well, that's just what we should do. And let's face it, when each of us got into this Hibs nonsense we believed that was possible. The only reason we're still going week in week out is the aftershock of that fitba supernova when we found the Hibs.

We shouldn't be doing this. We're adults. But I'm signing up for us winning the next 100 finals right now.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Why does everything see to be tagged analytics?

[CentreLine]

Isn’t it incredible that we have been so consistent in cup competitions since the turn of the century. Eight national cup finals. We may only have won two of those but most clubs would be proud of a record like that. In 55 years of watching Hibs I have never known a time when we have been to Hampden so often and the statistics on this thread tell me it has never happened previously in our history.
My advice? Enjoy it while we can, celebrate the success of it and hope to improve on that final hurdle.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

So in a nutshell we #Perevered

shilst that past May ot ba a predictor of the future some don’t half dwell on it. I think Stubbs and his staff and players took a different mindset.

this thread is almost funny in a way - whilst we sing @“?£ yer 1902 n this thread are some in danger of wallowing in it? We got the monkey off our back do we now need to cut the millstone all round our necks too? Let’s look forward not back what’s done is done and can’t be undone as one playwright wrote.

[Greenbeard]

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Isn’t it incredible that we have been so consistent in cup competitions since the turn of the century. Eight national cup finals. We may only have won two of those but most clubs would be proud of a record like that. In 55 years of watching Hibs I have never known a time when we have been to Hampden so often and the statistics on this thread tell me it has never happened previously in our history.
My advice? Enjoy it while we can, celebrate the success of it and hope to improve on that final hurdle.

[Pagan Hibernia]

So the good news is we’ve only one more soul crushing final to go through now and then we can get ready to party?

[500miles]

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Isn’t it incredible that we have been so consistent in cup competitions since the turn of the century. Eight national cup finals. We may only have won two of those but most clubs would be proud of a record like that. In 55 years of watching Hibs I have never known a time when we have been to Hampden so often and the statistics on this thread tell me it has never happened previously in our history.
My advice? Enjoy it while we can, celebrate the success of it and hope to improve on that final hurdle.

Aye. Cross our fingers that we get Rangers in the final more often.

[LaMotta]

We've been to more cup finals than Hearts but they've somehow won twice as many cups as us.

Thats a real bug bear as we really should have at least as many trophies as them.

We could quite conceievably have won the last four domestic cups in Scotland as well when you think about it.

[Keith_M]

So the take away is 'must do better'?