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    A very dangerous decision has been made today. Precedents have now been set and no club will get an equal allocation against the old firm for league cup finals going forward.

    Finals are no longer played at neutral venues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia View Post
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    A very dangerous decision has been made today. Precedents have now been set and no club will get an equal allocation against the old firm for league cup finals going forward.

    Finals are no longer played at neutral venues.

    Well except Hearts with their 400,000 fans, should they ever make it to a League Cup final again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    wtf!

    what about a petition
    we could all sign it
    they would have to listen then ............wouldn't they
    I have received a number of personal emails from the club in in the past. Running a football club is all about engaging with your stakeholders. Your post was a bit patronising with your link to youtube video Day trippers. I would rather have a Hibs supporting day tripper at the final than a Celtic
    fan any day of the week. You are clearly not that bothered.

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    I genuinely think the club should say they will boycott the game if it’s not a 50/50. Think how ridiculous the spfl would look if the game wasn’t going to be played. Call their bluff Hibs.
    To a degree I can see your point but, what also would mean penalising the Hibs players who have worked so hard to get to the final, I'm not convinced they would support a boycott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    Aberdeen and Dundee Utd achieved great things because they had great managers who could hold great players to ransom.
    Bosman killed that stone dead.
    That is not true with Aberdeen. They allowed players to move on at the right price. The likes of Miller, McLeish, Kennedy,Rougvie were quite happy there and I have never heard them regret staying at Aberdeen. The likes of Leighton and Strachan moved on to bigger things.

    Aberdeen were a very balanced side with not many flare players but everyone of them knew their job and trusted/believed in each of their team mates. They didn't fear anyone in Glasgow or even Munich or Madrid

    Without checking I think Aberdeen's downfall started with the loss of Ferguson and was compounded by Rangers upping the stakes.

    FWIW I still dislike Aberdeen to this day for the tricks/arrogance they had in their day but not right to simply say that they achieved things by holding players to ransom.

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    I have received a number of personal emails from the club in in the past. Running a football club is all about engaging with your stakeholders. Your post was a bit patronising with your link to youtube video Day trippers. I would rather have a Hibs supporting day tripper at the final than a Celtic
    fan any day of the week. You are clearly not that bothered.
    If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia View Post
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    A very dangerous decision has been made today. Precedents have now been set and no club will get an equal allocation against the old firm for league cup finals going forward.

    Finals are no longer played at neutral venues.
    Yep it's a very dangerous precedent that's been set.

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    Hibs and Ron get the same money whoever buys the tickets.
    17,500 tickets might suit his agenda for trying to get more folk to buy season tickets next season.
    "Buy a season ticket for the Hibees the only way to guarantee tickets for the big games"
    Then this appears on the big screens
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZl...5Bg%5Doldsongs
    Cut to footage of Ron in an expensive suit stroking a cat on his knee and he points agressively snarling NO!
    They do, however if the SPFL have issues with us not selling out then we should just give them our word that we pay up for any unsold seats out of our prize money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.
    I'm bothered because it no longer becomes a neutral venue, and it therefore becomes an even more difficult game to win than it would be to start with.

    Their own city, Their own end, Their own changing room, and now more tickets!

    How much more of an advantage at a 'neutral' venue do they want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.
    Personally I think that any Old Firm supporters from outside Glasgow are glory hunters. No sympathy for any of them who can't get tickets.

    How many new regular supporters did we get who went to the cup final in 2016. Occasions like this help us develop our fanbase

    Can't believe any Hibs supporter would have denied another Hibs supporter the right to attend a cup final which would have included the 2016 final using your logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.
    By your logic then we should not have received any more than the amount of people who have a season ticket and are walk up fans at previous finals. Why do you care so much? Personally I want as many Hibs fans at the final be they season ticket holders walk ups or day trippers. You seem to forget about Fans abroad who post on here buy merchandise subscribe to Hibs TV and pay money into HSL, who will travel from abroad/other parts of the UK to the final or are they Day trippers in your world.
    Get a grip, supporters contribute to the club in different ways financially so your argument does not stack up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not In The Know View Post
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    I genuinely think the club should say they will boycott the game if it’s not a 50/50. Think how ridiculous the spfl would look if the game wasn’t going to be played. Call their bluff Hibs.
    My immediate reaction is to tell them to stuff it. The game will be rigged if the crowd is 70% soap dodgers. Let them continue to dominate Scottish Football. Few people give a ***** anymore. I am not sure I can be bothered for much longer?

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    Personally I think that any Old Firm supporters from outside Glasgow are glory hunters. No sympathy for any of them who can't get tickets.

    How many new regular supporters did we get who went to the cup final in 2016. Occasions like this help us develop our fanbase

    Can't believe any Hibs supporter would have denied another Hibs supporter the right to attend a cup final which would have included the 2016 final using your logic.
    I agree.
    You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
    It is despicable behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    I agree with that.
    You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
    It is despicable behaviour.
    Think you are going to far there and police have far better things to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    I agree.
    You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
    It is despicable behaviour.
    Day trippers yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.
    Because it helps our team?

    Fairweather fan or not your argument is basically promoting unfairness

    Should livi only get 3000? St Johnstone 5000?

    In the 19/20 season celtic averaged 7000 more at the gate than Rangers, should or would that be factored into an OF final?

    All teams should initially be given the chance to sell equal tickets. If they can't sell them by a certain date then by all means pass them over,. Anything else is immediately giving an advantage to the other team

    Its sporting terms its totally unfair



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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    I agree.
    You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
    It is despicable behaviour.
    You're losing this debate hands down CM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancs Harp View Post
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    You're losing this debate hands down CM
    No logic from the start, maybe a closet Celtic fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.
    What a lot of pish.

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    By your logic then we should not have received any more than the amount of people who have a season ticket and are walk up fans at previous finals. Why do you care so much? Personally I want as many Hibs fans at the final be they season ticket holders walk ups or day trippers. You seem to forget about Fans abroad who post on here buy merchandise subscribe to Hibs TV and pay money into HSL, who will travel from abroad/other parts of the UK to the final or are they Day trippers in your world.
    Get a grip, supporters contribute to the club in different ways financially so your argument does not stack up.
    It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
    7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
    Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
    The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
    The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

    As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
    As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
    7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
    Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
    The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
    The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

    As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
    As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.
    We have an overall support of 17,500?

    What alot of tosh

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    You're losing this debate hands down CM
    Coming from Lytham St Annes to support Hibs is fine

    Ok, someone elses turn to be devils advocate, it's a new day!

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    We have an overall support of 17,500?

    What alot of tosh

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    Ok, are you here for the £1 or the £5 argument?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
    7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
    Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
    The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
    The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

    As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
    As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.
    It wasn't impossible to get a 50/50 split from the SFA in 2016 so your argument doesn't stand up. We should as everyone is telling you received 50% and a % held back until sold. This is a final that should have no benefit to one team or the other however small the difference would make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callum_62 View Post
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    We have an overall support of 17,500?

    What alot of tosh

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    Quite - with just 17.5k tickets it's pretty unlikely I'll (and many of the other out of town supporters) will get one. I've been to one home game this season so far and subscribe to Hibs TV and have been at every final since 1979 (except the 1991 one when my lift didn't materialise) - but yeh I don't deserve a ticket and it's fine for the principles of sporting integrity to be cast aside because of the grip Sevco and Celtc have over the domestic game.

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    It wasn't impossible to get a 50/50 split from the SFA in 2016 so your argument doesn't stand up. We should as everyone is telling you received 50% and a % held back until sold. This is a final that should have no benefit to one team or the other however small the difference would make.
    Yeah, that was pre pandemic and brexit.
    We came out of the 50/50 split under brexit.

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    Anybody that does not support a 50/50 split is not a real Hibs fan. You look after your own. I do not care how many season tickets holders other clubs have its a cup final. Can you imagine the outcry if this happened down south. A cup final is for fans of both clubs who should have the same amount of tickets allocated. There are 2 teams in the final, this whole episode stinks. Ron Gordon and Ben Kensell need to go public on this in a big way, otherwise it will happen again and again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    Yeah, that was pre pandemic and brexit.
    We came out of the 50/50 split under brexit.
    I think you need some sleep

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    Yeah, that was pre pandemic and brexit.
    We came out of the 50/50 split under brexit.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    Coming from Lytham St Annes to support Hibs is fine

    Ok, someone elses turn to be devils advocate, it's a new day!
    I live in York.

    Before I moved here, I had a season ticket for over 20 years and have been supporting Hibs since the early 70s. I donate £20 to HSL every month, I give money to kicks for kids and I'm a shareholder.

    I go to as many games as I can, depending on TV schedules etc. I've not managed to get to one this season cos of Covid etc but I'll do so as soon as I can.

    I definitely want to go to the Cup Final. Would you rather a Celtc season ticket holder went instead of me?
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