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[Jack]

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Bottas to crash in to Max in next race at start if it’s possible.

He's already done that.

Great race yesterday.

[Radium]

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In the technological age that F1 lives in this should have been looked at on the day and sorted then. Worse case scenario for RB was a 5 second penalty or they could have let Hamilton through. Anything retrospective now puts MV down to third


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[Northernhibee]

Absolutely no attempt to hit the apex there. Damning.

[patch1875]

Mercedes request a review

[Northernhibee]

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Mercedes request a review

The issue is that I think the only penalty they could implement now is a grid penalty for the next round, and I don't think it warrants that. It's a five second penalty all day long though, but the opportunity to do that has passed.

[Hibby70]

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The issue is that I think the only penalty they could implement now is a grid penalty for the next round, and I don't think it warrants that. It's a five second penalty all day long though, but the opportunity to do that has passed.

Can they note give him a 5 second penalty in the next race?

[Northernhibee]

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Can they note give him a 5 second penalty in the next race?

I don’t think so but I could be wrong.

[Sergio sledge]

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The issue is that I think the only penalty they could implement now is a grid penalty for the next round, and I don't think it warrants that. It's a five second penalty all day long though, but the opportunity to do that has passed.

Why can't they just apply the 5 second penalty to the race results? Is there a cut off time after the race this has to be done?

[Northernhibee]

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Why can't they just apply the 5 second penalty to the race results? Is there a cut off time after the race this has to be done?

Just looked into it- appears I’m wrong and a five second penalty could still be applied.

[Sergio sledge]

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Just looked into it- appears I’m wrong and a five second penalty could still be applied.

That's good, it would be the most sensible option. I like Verstappen and he's doing a good job for my F1 fantasy team this year, but it seems pretty clear from that video that he didn't make much attempt to make the corner. 5 second penalty would put him behind Bottas and reduce the gap to Hamilton to 11 points. Could be massive in the championship race.

[Northernhibee]

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That's good, it would be the most sensible option. I like Verstappen and he's doing a good job for my F1 fantasy team this year, but it seems pretty clear from that video that he didn't make much attempt to make the corner. 5 second penalty would put him behind Bottas and reduce the gap to Hamilton to 11 points. Could be massive in the championship race.

I think he had every intention to push Lewis as wide as possible going by that but the more I watch it the more you notice how much he understeers and the front end drifts out. As a result they both go off.

A time penalty is the right outcome IMO

[RyeSloan]

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I think he had every intention to push Lewis as wide as possible going by that but the more I watch it the more you notice how much he understeers and the front end drifts out. As a result they both go off.

A time penalty is the right outcome IMO

Yeah he understeers on purpose. No locking of the front wheels, no attempt to add extra steering angle…he knew what he was doing.

It was clear as day without the onboard in my opinion and I remain baffled at the decision, especially when compared to other very similar incidents.

Norris at Austria is the obvious one where I think that was much more of a ‘let them race’ scenario but he still got punished.

While I think Mercedes have all the info required for it to be reviewed and a retrospective time penalty applied I’d be very surprised if they succeed.

But IF they do it will just add even more spice to the already rather spicy pot!

[McD]

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Yeah he understeers on purpose. No locking of the front wheels, no attempt to add extra steering angle…he knew what he was doing.

It was clear as day without the onboard in my opinion and I remain baffled at the decision, especially when compared to other very similar incidents.

Norris at Austria is the obvious one where I think that was much more of a ‘let them race’ scenario but he still got punished.

While I think Mercedes have all the info required for it to be reviewed and a retrospective time penalty applied I’d be very surprised if they succeed.

But IF they do it will just add even more spice to the already rather spicy pot!

It definitely makes things even spicier. It’s also very interesting due to how max, Horner, and red bull in general reacted to what happened at silverstone, which was a very similar situation, I wouldn’t be surprised if Mercedes’ are making this point privately.

Red bull wanted a harsher penalty applied to Hamilton (he got a 10 second penalty iirc), whether anyone agrees with penalising him or not, but in a similar scenario, red bull were pushing for a ‘let them race’ mindset to be applied. The big difference is clearly the aftermath, but are red bull seriously trying to say that because Hamilton avoided a collision then there shouldn’t be a penalty?

[RyeSloan]

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It definitely makes things even spicier. It’s also very interesting due to how max, Horner, and red bull in general reacted to what happened at silverstone, which was a very similar situation, I wouldn’t be surprised if Mercedes’ are making this point privately.

Red bull wanted a harsher penalty applied to Hamilton (he got a 10 second penalty iirc), whether anyone agrees with penalising him or not, but in a similar scenario, red bull were pushing for a ‘let them race’ mindset to be applied. The big difference is clearly the aftermath, but are red bull seriously trying to say that because Hamilton avoided a collision then there shouldn’t be a penalty?

Oddly it was Michael Massi that seemed to think that as both ran off the track that was what made the incident OK and not deserving of a penalty…totally missing the point that Hamilton was only there because Max put him there!

It’s also curious as to how much Massi has had to say on this. It’s normally the Stewards the decide if there is an investigation to be had and Massi as race director has zero input. But even on the radio to Red Bull at the time he seemed quite open in saying he saw it as ‘one of those things’ when in reality he should be stating totally neutral and letting the Stewards explain the why’s and why not’s.

And yeah Red Bull are the masters of changing their view depending on their perspective but let’s be honest that’s the same for most sports and has always been the way in F1!

[lord bunberry]

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Oddly it was Michael Massi that seemed to think that as both ran off the track that was what made the incident OK and not deserving of a penalty…totally missing the point that Hamilton was only there because Max put him there!

It’s also curious as to how much Massi has had to say on this. It’s normally the Stewards the decide if there is an investigation to be had and Massi as race director has zero input. But even on the radio to Red Bull at the time he seemed quite open in saying he saw it as ‘one of those things’ when in reality he should be stating totally neutral and letting the Stewards explain the why’s and why not’s.

And yeah Red Bull are the masters of changing their view depending on their perspective but let’s be honest that’s the same for most sports and has always been the way in F1!

Your last point is so true and the reason I don’t pay much attention to team principles bumping their gums. They’re all hypocrites and they’re all intelligent people, they know they’re hypocrites and each of them are happy to play the game.

[RyeSloan]

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Your last point is so true and the reason I don’t pay much attention to team principles bumping their gums. They’re all hypocrites and they’re all intelligent people, they know they’re hypocrites and each of them are happy to play the game.

Yeah totally but that’s I suppose part of F1…there’s always that under current of distrust and gamesmanship!

I see Merc have won their right to appeal or what ever so first hurdle cleared for them.

I hope they get a retrospective just so I can see Horners face on Saturday and hear what he has to say!

Lots of people don’t like him but I’ve got to admire him and Toto’s use of words and their drama Queen acts, takes some skill to be that good at it so often. And that’s before mad Helmut has his say

[McD]

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Oddly it was Michael Massi that seemed to think that as both ran off the track that was what made the incident OK and not deserving of a penalty…totally missing the point that Hamilton was only there because Max put him there!

It’s also curious as to how much Massi has had to say on this. It’s normally the Stewards the decide if there is an investigation to be had and Massi as race director has zero input. But even on the radio to Red Bull at the time he seemed quite open in saying he saw it as ‘one of those things’ when in reality he should be stating totally neutral and letting the Stewards explain the why’s and why not’s.

And yeah Red Bull are the masters of changing their view depending on their perspective but let’s be honest that’s the same for most sports and has always been the way in F1!

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Your last point is so true and the reason I don’t pay much attention to team principles bumping their gums. They’re all hypocrites and they’re all intelligent people, they know they’re hypocrites and each of them are happy to play the game.

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Yeah totally but that’s I suppose part of F1…there’s always that under current of distrust and gamesmanship!

I see Merc have won their right to appeal or what ever so first hurdle cleared for them.

I hope they get a retrospective just so I can see Horners face on Saturday and hear what he has to say!

Lots of people don’t like him but I’ve got to admire him and Toto’s use of words and their drama Queen acts, takes some skill to be that good at it so often. And that’s before mad Helmut has his say

yeah totally agree, they’re all good at proclaiming themselves as pure as the driven slush

usually whilst trying to find ways to bend the rules to their absolute limit, and hoping to catch out the competitors doing the same thing.

as you said, same with every sport these days (with the general exceptions of golf and snooker)

[RyeSloan]

No surprise the Merc review request has been thrown out.

Nothing significant in the new footage according to the Stewards…

So they clearly accepted the fact at the time that Max made no attempt to take the corner on the racing line.

I’m sure this ruling will cause some rather interesting situations in the next races as the drivers immediately take to running wide any time someone tries to come round their outside.

I’m pretty certain that the next time it happens there will be a penalty applied and the whole controversy will blow up once again!

[Northernhibee]

Hopefully Bottas puts him off at turn one on Sunday now that’s perfectly fine.

[patch1875]

Lewis would have done the same. They are fighting for the championship won’t give each other an inch let alone back out of a corner.

[Radium]

Stewards really have given themselves a headache. Overtaking on the outside is being effectively ruled out as the car on the inside can just run the other off the road.


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[Radium]

Everyone trying everything

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[lord bunberry]

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Lewis would have done the same. They are fighting for the championship won’t give each other an inch let alone back out of a corner.

Absolutely. Folk suggesting that Max is somehow doing something out of the ordinary are wide of the mark, Hamilton and every other champion have done far worse at certain points in a close title race. All’s fair in love and war.

[RyeSloan]

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Absolutely. Folk suggesting that Max is somehow doing something out of the ordinary are wide of the mark, Hamilton and every other champion have done far worse at certain points in a close title race. All’s fair in love and war.

Ah yeah totally…it’s the name of the game!

BUT very similar moves have been punished this season with a penalty, those rules appear to have somewhat morphed when it comes to Max this time around.

Even the drivers are saying that this judgement changes the game somewhat….but as I said I reckon the next one to try it will find out it was only a very temporary thing!

[lord bunberry]

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Ah yeah totally…it’s the name of the game!

BUT very similar moves have been punished this season with a penalty, those rules appear to have somewhat morphed when it comes to Max this time around.

Even the drivers are saying that this judgement changes the game somewhat….but as I said I reckon the next one to try it will find out it was only a very temporary thing!

I absolutely agree, it was a definite penalty. F1 is box office and at this stage of the season decisions are made with with what’s going to sell more advertising in mind. Seasons like this don’t happen very often and you can bet your bottom dollar that those in charge will do everything they can to ensure it goes down to the last race. In F1 the rules are there to be manipulated and interpreted in such a way that benefits the sport and it’s appeal to the vast tv audience. It’s dodgy and unethical at times, but I still love it.

[RyeSloan]

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I absolutely agree, it was a definite penalty. F1 is box office and at this stage of the season decisions are made with with what’s going to sell more advertising in mind. Seasons like this don’t happen very often and you can bet your bottom dollar that those in charge will do everything they can to ensure it goes down to the last race. In F1 the rules are there to be manipulated and interpreted in such a way that benefits the sport and it’s appeal to the vast tv audience. It’s dodgy and unethical at times, but I still love it.

Oh absolutely. The politics are as much a fabric of the sport as the racing is.

Was rewatching Senna the other night and the swapping of the pole grid spot to the dirty side of the track before his infamous crash into Prost was a brilliant example.

[Stairway 2 7]

I've no problem with max doing it, Winners do what they can. But not giving the penalty just opens up everything now. As lecrerc said, if this isn't penalised the game is now changed

[Northernhibee]

Willing for this to be quoted if I end up with egg on my face - Danny Ric 2022 drivers champion.

[RyeSloan]

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Willing for this to be quoted if I end up with egg on my face - Danny Ric 2022 drivers champion.

Don’t see it myself as he has to get past his team mate first…something he’s struggled to do so far this season.

But with the rule changes I suppose the whole shooting match is up in the air so make sure you stick a couple of quid on it just in case

[Northernhibee]

Verstappen five place grid penalty for ignoring double yellows and Bottas three place for ignoring single waved yellow.