Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[Rumble de Thump]

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I have been reading some of the comments on here and can’t believe how Covid has made us lose our backbone. For goodness sake the people who have been vaccinated should be at no risk from those who haven’t. If you believe in the vaccination it will save you from serious illness. Our medical history should be no concern to the Government and for a government to ask a football club or any private company to do this is just unbelievable. Every football club’s fans that have over 10 k at matches, should be marching on the Scottish Parliament today and demanding that this restriction on our Civil liberties never sees the light of day.

Which aspects of our medical history do you think the government will be accessing? And which politicians do you think will be checking this at the stadium? It does seem that when people mention civil liberties in relation to this they don't tend to really understand what that means.

[Risboro Hibby]

This is my point here. Replies to the post have assumed I have not been vaccinated . I might have and if so I will trust the vaccine , just like flu vaccine to minimise the risk here and hopefully should I sometime catch Covid hopefully it will give me enough protection to not get seriously ill. Therefore it is no concern to me whether the person sitting next to me has been vaccinated. If I haven’t as an adult I am aware of the risks and prepared to accept them. The person sitting next to me would not be at any more risk than a vaccinated person sitting next to them. The choice is entirely my business and no Government should be given the powers to stop anyone from watching the Hibs or going to a public event. Their actions here are no more than emotional blackmail .

[Rumble de Thump]

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This is my point here. Replies to the post have assumed I have not been vaccinated . I might have and if so I will trust the vaccine , just like flu vaccine to minimise the risk here and hopefully should I sometime catch Covid hopefully it will give me enough protection to not get seriously ill. Therefore it is no concern to me whether the person sitting next to me has been vaccinated. If I haven’t as an adult I am aware of the risks and prepared to accept them. The person sitting next to me would not be at any more risk than a vaccinated person sitting next to them. The choice is entirely my business and no Government should be given the powers to stop anyone from watching the Hibs or going to a public event. Their actions here are no more than emotional blackmail .

The point of the vaccine passports is to avoid people having to just 'hope' they don't become seriously ill if they get the virus. It's also about trying to prevent people who are happy to catch it and pass it on to other from doing so. Your comments are, unfortunately, complete and utter nonsense.

[OstKurve Hibs]

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The point of the vaccine passports is to avoid people having to just 'hope' they don't become seriously ill if they get the virus. It's also about trying to prevent people who are happy to catch it and pass it on to other from doing so. Your comments are, unfortunately, complete and utter nonsense.

Since when did choosing not to be vaccinated mean people were happy to catch it and pass it on ?, clowns like you just dont get it, very selfish way of thinking.

I havent been vaccinated and I choose not to but not once have I ever thought, oh I cant wait to catch covid then go out and spread it around on purpose to make me happy, have a word wi yourself,

[calumhibee1]

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I have been reading some of the comments on here and can’t believe how Covid has made us lose our backbone. For goodness sake the people who have been vaccinated should be at no risk from those who haven’t. If you believe in the vaccination it will save you from serious illness. Our medical history should be no concern to the Government and for a government to ask a football club or any private company to do this is just unbelievable. Every football club’s fans that have over 10 k at matches, should be marching on the Scottish Parliament today and demanding that this restriction on our Civil liberties never sees the light of day.

Well this is one of the most stupid things I’ve read today.

[Rumble de Thump]

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Since when did choosing not to be vaccinated mean people were happy to catch it and pass it on ?, clowns like you just dont get it, very selfish way of thinking.

I havent been vaccinated and I choose not to but not once have I ever thought, oh I cant wait to catch covid then go out and spread it around on purpose to make me happy, have a word wi yourself,

When they wanted to sit next to other people in a football stadium for a couple of hours? You've completely lost the plot.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Since when did choosing not to be vaccinated mean people were happy to catch it and pass it on ?, clowns like you just dont get it, very selfish way of thinking.

I havent been vaccinated and I choose not to but not once have I ever thought, oh I cant wait to catch covid then go out and spread it around on purpose to make me happy, have a word wi yourself,

From the outside it looks like someone saying, just because I jumped out a plane without a parachute why assume I was OK with getting blootered. May I ask why you don't want it

[Moulin Yarns]

The latest infections figures are 1 in 45, take that figure to tynecastle and approximately 400 people will be infected and could pass it on to the people beside them.

Think about it.

[Sir David Gray]

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I have been reading some of the comments on here and can’t believe how Covid has made us lose our backbone. For goodness sake the people who have been vaccinated should be at no risk from those who haven’t. If you believe in the vaccination it will save you from serious illness. Our medical history should be no concern to the Government and for a government to ask a football club or any private company to do this is just unbelievable. Every football club’s fans that have over 10 k at matches, should be marching on the Scottish Parliament today and demanding that this restriction on our Civil liberties never sees the light of day.

Unfortunately there's enough people who are currently not fully vaccinated for there to be a problem (over 400,000 people in Scotland over 16 who are still without any dose at all and a further 370,000+ people who only have partial protection with one dose).

We are seeing that just now in the hospital numbers which have trebled in the space of the last 3 weeks and we now have almost 1,000 people in hospital who have tested positive for Covid-19 in the past 28 days.

We need to do something to keep us out of lockdown as that's the way it's currently heading. If anything this passport isn't going far enough and should also include indoor venues like pubs and restaurants.

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This is my point here. Replies to the post have assumed I have not been vaccinated . I might have and if so I will trust the vaccine , just like flu vaccine to minimise the risk here and hopefully should I sometime catch Covid hopefully it will give me enough protection to not get seriously ill. Therefore it is no concern to me whether the person sitting next to me has been vaccinated. If I haven’t as an adult I am aware of the risks and prepared to accept them. The person sitting next to me would not be at any more risk than a vaccinated person sitting next to them. The choice is entirely my business and no Government should be given the powers to stop anyone from watching the Hibs or going to a public event. Their actions here are no more than emotional blackmail .

I lost brain cells reading this cretinous post. You do not understand what the vaccine does and how it works.

[007]

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This is my point here. Replies to the post have assumed I have not been vaccinated . I might have and if so I will trust the vaccine , just like flu vaccine to minimise the risk here and hopefully should I sometime catch Covid hopefully it will give me enough protection to not get seriously ill. Therefore it is no concern to me whether the person sitting next to me has been vaccinated. If I haven’t as an adult I am aware of the risks and prepared to accept them. The person sitting next to me would not be at any more risk than a vaccinated person sitting next to them. The choice is entirely my business and no Government should be given the powers to stop anyone from watching the Hibs or going to a public event. Their actions here are no more than emotional blackmail .

Initially you sound like you don't even know whether or not you've had the vaccine (something strange there). You then carry on with you cryptic wording which I'd put money on is because you've not been vaccinated but have had Covid and you believe natural immunity is as good as having been vaccinated.

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Unfortunately there's enough people who are currently not fully vaccinated for there to be a problem (over 400,000 people in Scotland over 16 who are still without any dose at all and a further 370,000+ people who only have partial protection with one dose).

We are seeing that just now in the hospital numbers which have trebled in the space of the last 3 weeks and we now have almost 1,000 people in hospital who have tested positive for Covid-19 in the past 28 days.

We need to do something to keep us out of lockdown as that's the way it's currently heading. If anything this passport isn't going far enough and should also include indoor venues like pubs and restaurants.

How many more lockdowns do we need to finally determine that they are completely useless and wreck economies, livelihoods and young folks futures?

We have to 'live' with this virus. I'm fully vaccinated but cannot understand for the life of me why anyone would call for more lockdowns.

If there is another lockdown I will not be obeying it as I've had it with lockdowns.

[greenginger]

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Initially you sound like you don't even know whether or not you've had the vaccine (something strange there). You then carry on with you cryptic wording which I'd put money on is because you've not been vaccinated but have had Covid and you believe natural immunity is as good as having been vaccinated.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...-remains-vital

Having had covid does give a stronger immunity than the vaccine.

Trouble is, you’ve got to survive it first .

[Eyrie]

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How many more lockdowns do we need to finally determine that they are completely useless and wreck economies, livelihoods and young folks futures?

We have to 'live' with this virus. I'm fully vaccinated but cannot understand for the life of me why anyone would call for more lockdowns.

If there is another lockdown I will not be obeying it as I've had it with lockdowns.

How many deaths from Covid would you consider acceptable if people ignore lockdowns?

[Rumble de Thump]

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https://www.science.org/content/arti...-remains-vital

Having had covid does give a stronger immunity than the vaccine.

Trouble is, you’ve got to survive it first .

It's also one study. Other research has suggested the opposite.

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How many deaths from Covid would you consider acceptable if people ignore lockdowns?

Bizarre question imo. Lockdown after lockdown has been shown to be a complete failure.

We need to 'live' with this virus not become prisoners of it, imo.

[Stairway 2 7]

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How many more lockdowns do we need to finally determine that they are completely useless and wreck economies, livelihoods and young folks futures?

We have to 'live' with this virus. I'm fully vaccinated but cannot understand for the life of me why anyone would call for more lockdowns.

If there is another lockdown I will not be obeying it as I've had it with lockdowns.

If pubs and non essential shops are closed till no be going in them. If it wasn't for lockdowns 3 times the estimated 150,000 would have died, if a third of the population roughly caught it. Millions would have needed hospital treatment and it would all be at once last spring. They wouldn't all have got treatment so that number of deaths world be higher.

Lockdowns work until everyone gets vaccinated. If every adult got vaccinated there would never be the threat of lockdown again with this

[Stokesy's on fire]

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Think there is a fair whiff of attention seeking going on with that poster. Best ignored at least until they’ve reached secondary school age

Ouch...

[Rumble de Thump]

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Bizarre question imo. Lockdown after lockdown has been shown to be a complete failure.

We need to 'live' with this virus not become prisoners of it, imo.

Every 'lockdown' has been the opposite of a failure. It's reduced the rate of infection. Less people have died. We have been living with the virus and we continue to do so.

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Every 'lockdown' has been the opposite of a failure. It's reduced the rate of infection. Less people have died. We have been living with the virus and we continue to do so.

I would surmise plenty have died because of lockdowns. Sufferers of all types of conditions have been failed due to lockdowns and medical negligence.

I am done with lockdowns. They are a complete and utter failure and not only that destroy economies, livelihoods and young folks futures.

We have to allow folk to live their lives not lock them down every few weeks or months eternally.

[Rumble de Thump]

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I would surmise plenty have died because of lockdowns. Sufferers of all types of conditions have been failed due to lockdowns and medical negligence.

I am done with lockdowns. They are a complete and utter failure and not only that destroy economies, livelihoods and young folks futures.

We have to allow folk to live their lives not lock them down every few weeks or months eternally.

What do you actually mean by 'lockdown'? I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. I'm not sure I really understand the comment about medical negligence. I have a lot of family members who work for the NHS. Most of them have contracted the virus at work. Some have long covid. They've all been pushed to breaking point.

[bringbackbenny]

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I would surmise plenty have died because of lockdowns. Sufferers of all types of conditions have been failed due to lockdowns and medical negligence.

I am done with lockdowns. They are a complete and utter failure and not only that destroy economies, livelihoods and young folks futures.

We have to allow folk to live their lives not lock them down every few weeks or months eternally.

Can you give a number for 'the plenty' who have died (indirectly or directly) as a consequence of lockdowns, UK or Scotland?

[Sir David Gray]

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How many more lockdowns do we need to finally determine that they are completely useless and wreck economies, livelihoods and young folks futures?

We have to 'live' with this virus. I'm fully vaccinated but cannot understand for the life of me why anyone would call for more lockdowns.

If there is another lockdown I will not be obeying it as I've had it with lockdowns.

I'm certainly not calling for more lockdowns but that's undoubtedly where we are heading right now.

As someone who is fully vaccinated I also have no intentions of complying with any restrictions that I have control over such as meeting friends and family and travelling around the country. However there are restrictions I would have no option but to follow such as no football, pubs or restaurants etc.

For me we need to protect the civil liberties of the 3.7 million people over 16 who have chosen to get fully vaccinated as well as the nation's children who are relying on the adults to do their bit on their behalf in order to avoid any further disruption to their education. If that means that the minority can't do certain things for a period of time then so be it.

Whilst we have nearly 800,000 eligible people not fully vaccinated it's simply not possible for everyone to go back to a pre-Covid way of life, the escalating hospital numbers make that clear. So therefore we have two options;

1- Either we close everything down like we did last year and inconvenience everyone and anger the majority who did their bit by going to get two jabs.

OR

2- We keep everything open but allow only fully vaccinated people into certain venues and recognise they have done their bit and are at much lower risk of becoming seriously ill if they happen to catch it.

I think 2 is much more palatable than 1 and we need to do everything possible to ensure a further full lockdown is an absolute last resort.

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What do you actually mean by 'lockdown'? I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. I'm not sure I really understand the comment about medical negligence. I have a lot of family members who work for the NHS. Most of them have contracted the virus at work. Some have long covid. They've all been pushed to breaking point.

There is a multitude of patients waiting for either diagnosis and treatment or both because of lockdowns. Some have died waiting on them. Would you disagree with that?

[Jones28]

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This is my point here. Replies to the post have assumed I have not been vaccinated . I might have and if so I will trust the vaccine , just like flu vaccine to minimise the risk here and hopefully should I sometime catch Covid hopefully it will give me enough protection to not get seriously ill. Therefore it is no concern to me whether the person sitting next to me has been vaccinated. If I haven’t as an adult I am aware of the risks and prepared to accept them. The person sitting next to me would not be at any more risk than a vaccinated person sitting next to them. The choice is entirely my business and no Government should be given the powers to stop anyone from watching the Hibs or going to a public event. Their actions here are no more than emotional blackmail .

It’s a public health concern, it’s very much the business of the government.

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I'm certainly not calling for more lockdowns but that's undoubtedly where we are heading right now.

As someone who is fully vaccinated I also have no intentions of complying with any restrictions that I have control over such as meeting friends and family and travelling around the country. However there are restrictions I would have no option but to follow such as no football, pubs or restaurants etc.

For me we need to protect the civil liberties of the 3.7 million people over 16 who have chosen to get fully vaccinated as well as the nation's children who are relying on the adults to do their bit on their behalf in order to avoid any further disruption to their education. If that means that the minority can't do certain things for a period of time then so be it.

Whilst we have nearly 800,000 eligible people not fully vaccinated it's simply not possible for everyone to go back to a pre-Covid way of life, the escalating hospital numbers make that clear. So therefore we have two options;

1- Either we close everything down like we did last year and inconvenience everyone and anger the majority who did their bit by going to get two jabs.

OR

2- We keep everything open but allow only fully vaccinated people into certain venues and recognise they have done their bit and are at much lower risk of becoming seriously ill if they happen to catch it.

I think 2 is much more palatable than 1 and we need to do everything possible to ensure a further full lockdown is an absolute last resort.

Neither of your options are palatable imo.

Lockdowns = Failed.

Ineffectual Passports = Failed.

Imo

[wookie70]

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Did you miss the fact that most smart phones have QR readers.

The information in the QR code will be read easily and give the steward your name, age and date of vaccine (probably the version of vaccine as well) I don't think any new equipment is required.

I easily got a QR code for my website. Any smart phone can read it and be taken straight to the website.

Rocket science it is not.

I'm presuming GDPR will apply given it is a medical record. I can just imagine a GP standing in the waiting room full of patients bleeping your health record on a mobile. I'm sure that is GDPR compliant

[007]

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Neither of your options are palatable imo.

Lockdowns = Failed.

Ineffectual Passports = Failed.

Imo

What is your solution to the problem?

[Sir David Gray]

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Neither of your options are palatable imo.

Lockdowns = Failed.

Ineffectual Passports = Failed.

Imo

With the way things are heading, continuing with the status quo and allowing unvaccinated people to do what they want is going to end up collapsing the health service within the next few months.

Having vaccine passports is far from ideal but it's the least worst option right now.

[Rumble de Thump]

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There is a multitude of patients waiting for either diagnosis and treatment or both because of lockdowns. Some have died waiting on them. Would you disagree with that?

Did you give your definition of lockdown? I haven't seen the stats you must have seen, so I don't know how that would compare to the lives that would have been lost or badly impacted without any kind of restrictions. How many is a multitude? I'm not sure how I could agree or disagree with vague statements.