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Absolute nonsense, double jabbed only means you re less likely to die from the virus and hence helps the NHS by not needing to go to hospital. Everyone vaccinated or not can still spread the virus, at the moment the majority of patients are below 50 with a vast majority not vaccinated, that in itself should tell you why getting the jab is important, also the new variants play a big part in this.
Lots of this thread is about transmission and the fact double vaxxed are less likely to pass the virus on to others and also to catch it themselves. The Government's stated reasons in yesterday's paper, which came out hours before the vote, has as its first point of reasoning "Research evidence indicates that being vaccinated reduces the risk that a person will become infected with the virus, and likely further reduces their risk of transmitting coronavirus. Ensuring only those who are vaccinated attend higher risk venues and events therefore directly reduces the risk of transmission."

I put up a post saying that you are more likely to have Covid if you are double vaxxed and in the age group 40-79, an age group that is overwhelmingly double vaxxed, and question why this would be if the vaccine made it less likely for you to catch covid. The paper I link to is from the NHS so I would say is as good a source as you get.

I don't dispute that being vaccinated means it is less likely you will end up in hospital or die. However, it is impossible to die from Covid if you don't catch it so transmission is the biggest fundamental to me. The government appears to be saying it is ok if you catch it while holding a passport given they are allowing these events to take place. 18-29 year old have a 4 in a million chance of dying according to that paper if unvaccinated and a 1 in a million chance if double vaxxed. Yes it is 4 times more likely to die if double vaxxed but it is far more likely you will die of a multitude of other things young people do. Is coercion a good long term plan for the young and indeed other age groups.

At the moment there are around half the amount of patients in ICU and in hospital with covid with lesser symptoms than in January when the Scottish population was largely unvaccinated. According to Public Health Scotland "The highestnumber of new admissions are now in those aged 50-59 years, 70-79 years and 80+." which are obviously in the most highly vaccinated group. I can't see figures to say who and who is not vaccinated in hospital in Scotland. According to Public Health Scotland the vast majority of patients in ICU from March to August has been those over 44. In fact the numbers of admissions 379 and in the period of March to April there were around 5 to 6 times more patient in Scottish ICUs who were aged 45-84 than those aged 15-44. You may be right about there being more under 50s patients but I can't see that figure in Scotland and there are far more older people in Hospital with Covid in England. Can you point to a report that says that there are more under 50s in hospital. Here is what I looked at for England