Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[Brightside]

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Sturgeon = Scotland's Thatcher

Behave man.

[Glory Lurker]

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They did but if you got vaccinated early July, caught it when due your 2nd in early September then have to wait until early October you will be locked out for the first couple games as takes 2 weeks for your second Jag to be valid on the certificate.

It’s bad luck but it’s a perfectly good “excuse” to be annoyed at this being rushed through

I've sympathy for that situation, but the rush is needed because we're moving toward winter. There's not an opportunity for nuance. I'm sure the SG would rather not have to do this. It's being brought in as a last resort and that doesn't allow a longer run in.

[hibbysam]

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Young people are spreading it more than most. I know very few people my age that have had it (a hand full). But a majority of my kids friends have all had it since clubs etc reopened.

Government figures every day prove this fact. Only thing they don’t tell you is age ranges of positive cases, or I can’t see them anyway. Majority would be under 18 school kids IMO going by the numbers off school with Covid related reasons.

[easty]

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Sturgeon = Scotland's Thatcher

Stokesy’s on fire = Hibs.net’s Janey Godley

[CapitalGreen]

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What about those that turn 18 in October. They could be allowed to go to a game on Saturday and be denied entry on Wednesday when only their age is the determining factor. Could that be deemed age discrimination. It certainly feels like it is.

By October 1st it will be over 8 weeks since 16-18 year olds could start getting vaccinated. Any 17 year old who wanted to be fully vaccinated before their 18th birthday in October could have done so.

[Scooter]

It's the biggest farce ever.

The vaccine is to limit serious health risk and in turn reduce the stress on the NHS? Correct?

So I'm assuming the Flu vaccine will also be apart of these vaccine passports? Everyone that's entitled to a flu jag must get one or same applies?

Cause if this isnt the case then why?

[El Gubbz]

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I've sympathy for that situation, but the rush is needed because we're moving toward winter. There's not an opportunity for nuance. I'm sure the SG would rather not have to do this. It's being brought in as a last resort and that doesn't allow a longer run in.

I get their reasons behind it but must be a small window were single jags are fine, would probably boost non vaccinated folk getting vaccinated more as they’re able to maintain their freedom instead of turning them into even bigger anti vaxers, then making 2 jags necessary later on.

Are single jagged folk all that more likely to catch and spread more than double jagged? It’s a small % of a difference

[easty]

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It's the biggest farce ever.

The vaccine is to limit serious health risk and in turn reduce the stress on the NHS? Correct?

So I'm assuming the Flu vaccine will also be apart of these vaccine passports? Everyone that's entitled to a flu jag must get one or same applies?

Cause if this isnt the case then why?

Is it because the flu and covid are different diseases, with different transmission rates, and have different levels of illness?

Is that too obvious an answer?

[green day]

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It's the biggest farce ever.

The vaccine is to limit serious health risk and in turn reduce the stress on the NHS? Correct?

So I'm assuming the Flu vaccine will also be apart of these vaccine passports? Everyone that's entitled to a flu jag must get one or same applies?

Cause if this isnt the case then why?

Probably because the Flu doesnt cause as many hospitalisations in the younger people who are currently in ITUs with Covid.

Hospitals could - just - deal with Flu epidemics each winter.

Covid has changed the landscape on beds / staffing.

There is limited / no headroom for beds in hospitals, so encouragement / boot up the bahookie is required to get the population vaccinated before winter.

None of this is tricky if you think about it, tbf.......

[Glory Lurker]

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I get their reasons behind it but must be a small window were single jags are fine, would probably boost non vaccinated folk getting vaccinated more as they’re able to maintain their freedom instead of turning them into even bigger anti vaxers, then making 2 jags necessary later on.

Are single jagged folk all that more likely to catch and spread more than double jagged? It’s a small % of a difference

I don't know how one jag compares. How long in your scenario would the temporary leniency have to be (that's a genuine question)?

[green day]

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I get their reasons behind it but must be a small window were single jags are fine, would probably boost non vaccinated folk getting vaccinated more as they’re able to maintain their freedom instead of turning them into even bigger anti vaxers, then making 2 jags necessary later on.

Are single jagged folk all that more likely to catch and spread more than double jagged? It’s a small % of a difference

The govt can only look at things on a population scale, hence the big stick approach.

In France, peoples "principles" soon disappeared when told they couldnt sit outside a cafe having a fag and a coffee without the Pass Sanitaire.

[The dalmeny]

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By October 1st it will be over 8 weeks since 16-18 year olds could start getting vaccinated. Any 17 year old who wanted to be fully vaccinated before their 18th birthday in October could have done so.

My 17 yo was told at the vaccination centre no decision had been made about when they should get their second vaccine.

[bod]

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It's the biggest farce ever.

The vaccine is to limit serious health risk and in turn reduce the stress on the NHS? Correct?

So I'm assuming the Flu vaccine will also be apart of these vaccine passports? Everyone that's entitled to a flu jag must get one or same applies?

Cause if this isnt the case then why?

Can you not purchase the flu vaccine already ?
My employment give me a voucher for it to get it free from Lloyds chemist within certain months

[Stairway 2 7]

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My 17 yo was told at the vaccination centre no decision had been made about when they should get their second vaccine.

Under 18s don't apply and can get a second a couple of months before they are 18 so will be fine

[AugustaHibs]

What I don’t understand is the emphasis on the hospitals.

People pay tax and NI so that these things are able to run at all times.

NHS is there to serve the people, not the other way around?

[Stairway 2 7]

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They did but if you got vaccinated early July, caught it when due your 2nd in early September then have to wait until early October you will be locked out for the first couple games as takes 2 weeks for your second Jag to be valid on the certificate.

It’s bad luck but it’s a perfectly good “excuse” to be annoyed at this being rushed through

That will apply only to a few thousand unfortunates, 400,000 haven't bothered their arse. There has to be a cut of somewhere. We could have been like France and other European countries that gave a weeks notice and said unlucky. The vocal minority will just have to get on with it

[Stairway 2 7]

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What I don’t understand is the emphasis on the hospitals.

People pay tax and NI so that these things are able to run at all times.

NHS is there to serve the people, not the other way around?

Then they would be able to do there job if 75% of the cases coming in with covid weren't half wits. Due to infection control, a covid space takes up double the floor space of a normal inpatient

[AugustaHibs]

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Then they would be able to do there job if 75% of the cases coming in with covid weren't half wits. Due to infection control, a covid space takes up double the floor space of a normal inpatient

I totally get that and believe people who are ‘anti vax’ are total idiots. But there needs to be more emphasis on increasing capacity of our health service as we all know this disease isn’t going anywhere

[J-C]

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Yeah that’s not fair at all. I’d have thought the vaccination passport would have possibly recorded the date we contracted covid and based on the assumed anti body levels we would have a valid vaccine passport until X date as we’re as safe as anyone else and clearly have the intention to be vaccinated.

Kinda get sick of the argument being made by older posters on their high horse assuming everyone not double vaccinated is an anti vaxer / ignorant / lazy. Some of us had the opportunity to skip the queue to claim we were carers for family members but decided that it wasn’t fair to skip the queue if letters were being sent out in order of priority.

If a vaccine passport is going to come in with such little time to implement they need to have a level of leniency towards those who are single vaccinated and awaiting their 2nd. If someone gets a vaccine today based on the guidance they won’t be allowed into a game until November 19th missing 6 weeks of normality.

My (bias I admit) preference would be to have a vaccine passport coming in on October 1st to prove you’ve had your first dose, with a full vaccine certificate going live on November 19th, if still required, that requires you to be double jagged - and some flexibility for those who turn 18 in the interim

There's absolutely no reason younger folk like you cannot get both jabs as the NHS have opened up for all 16+ to get ot asap. All over 60's are now double doses with a large majority of 45+ the same, we're all waiting for the younger folk to get it done so we can get back to normal. Far too many people listening to numpties on either FB or Twitter who think they have a virology degree.

[CapitalGreen]

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I totally get that and believe people who are ‘anti vax’ are total idiots. But there needs to be more emphasis on increasing capacity of our health service as we all know this disease isn’t going anywhere

One way to improve available capacity is by decreasing use - more people getting vaccinated does that. The other way, building more wards/hospitals and training more medical professionals takes considerably longer and is more expensive.

[J-C]

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What I don’t understand is the emphasis on the hospitals.

People pay tax and NI so that these things are able to run at all times.

NHS is there to serve the people, not the other way around?

It's taking away resources from other departments due to staff having to concentrate on Covid wards. Hip operations, cancer treatment and many more being cancelled due to Covid patients taking up time and space.

[calumhibee1]

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I totally get that and believe people who are ‘anti vax’ are total idiots. But there needs to be more emphasis on increasing capacity of our health service as we all know this disease isn’t going anywhere

It definitely does need increased but that’s not something that can be done short term. Until that can be done, vaccine passports are the best way to do it, whether that’s because people won’t be able to go to mass events and catch it/infect everybody or because more folk will decide they now want the vaccine.

[El Gubbz]

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I don't know how one jag compares. How long in your scenario would the temporary leniency have to be (that's a genuine question)?

To be honest for me it’s literally 3 days so only missing the Rangers game but I was massively keen to get the vaccine as early as possible - I know others who waited until they got their letter a couple weeks later or just didn’t get round to it until the end of the month / august and at a time when government position was very anti vaccine passport. If I was one of them I’d be massively aggrieved - got a jambo mate who’s missing games until November… get it up him :-)

[JimBHibees]

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Sturgeon = Scotland's Thatcher

Political history not your strong point

[blackpoolhibs]

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It's the biggest farce ever.

The vaccine is to limit serious health risk and in turn reduce the stress on the NHS? Correct?

So I'm assuming the Flu vaccine will also be apart of these vaccine passports? Everyone that's entitled to a flu jag must get one or same applies?

Cause if this isnt the case then why?

I mean really, you dont know the difference between covid and flu?

Just to stop worrying, there is a vaccine coming out, maybe is out now that covers both.

[JimBHibees]

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I've sympathy for that situation, but the rush is needed because we're moving toward winter. There's not an opportunity for nuance. I'm sure the SG would rather not have to do this. It's being brought in as a last resort and that doesn't allow a longer run in.

Agree totally Get the vaccine to take pressure off the already exhausted NHS.

[El Gubbz]

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There's absolutely no reason younger folk like you cannot get both jabs as the NHS have opened up for all 16+ to get ot asap. All over 60's are now double doses with a large majority of 45+ the same, we're all waiting for the younger folk to get it done so we can get back to normal. Far too many people listening to numpties on either FB or Twitter who think they have a virology degree.

If you’d read the posts that my reply was in response to you would see that I got my first jag at the earliest possible date for me and because I got covid when I was due my second I’ve to wait another 4 weeks for the vaccine (12 weeks from first jag) and a further 2 weeks until the jag is valid on the vaccination certificate. It’s not as black and white as you’re making out. Agree plenty are lazy/ignorant but plenty young folk have waited until it was their turn to protect those at higher risk - that was always my stance when my mum was hassling me to get a vaccine earlier than I was able to without claiming to be a carer which I was perfectly entitled to do

[calumhibee1]

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If you’d read the posts that my reply was in response to you would see that I got my first jag at the earliest possible date for me and because I got covid when I was due my second I’ve to wait another 4 weeks for the vaccine (12 weeks from first jag) and a further 2 weeks until the jag is valid on the vaccination certificate. It’s not as black and white as you’re making out. Agree plenty are lazy/ignorant but plenty young folk have waited until it was their turn to protect those at higher risk - that was always my stance when my mum was hassling me to get a vaccine earlier than I was able to without claiming to be a carer which I was perfectly entitled to do

There is going to be the add anomaly but there has to be a cut off point somewhere. The cut off point is the most effective one and they can’t push this back incase people caught Covid and had to wait longer for their second jag etc.

You have my sympathy but there’s not really anything that the SG can do.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I totally get that and believe people who are ‘anti vax’ are total idiots. But there needs to be more emphasis on increasing capacity of our health service as we all know this disease isn’t going anywhere

Agreed but I think one problem is staff and training but hopefully they started investing in that last spring....

[O'Rourke3]

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NHS is there to serve the people, not the other way around?

I hope I've misunderstood this, but this is the most ignorant thing I think I've ever read this message board. We pay for the NHS to sort this stuff out so that folks can get on with their lives?
The same NHS that deals head on with every case of Covid while trying to keep essential services running.
The NHS who deal with hundreds of thousands of cases of patients who don't look after themselves and end up needing treatment despite the information and the warnings about washing your hands, sanitising, distancing, dont meet and greet etc on top of years of warnings around eating, drinking, smoking, exercising and doing your bit not to put pressure on. Serving those people?

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