Scottish Independence

[ronaldo7]

https://www.gov.scot/publications/fa...nment-2021-22/

Too many individual policies to mention. Happy reading.

[Stairway 2 7]

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We're up and running again. Let's do it.

https://www.yes.scot/signup/

Quite exciting 👍 . The focus has to be on the middle undecideds, a huge proportion will be stuck one way or the other unfortunately. Brexit will obviously be the big trump card

[Smartie]

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Quite exciting 👍 . The focus has to be on the middle undecideds, a huge proportion will be stuck one way or the other unfortunately. Brexit will obviously be the big trump card

"Every hand's a winner, and every hand's a loser" and all that.

A decent case could be made that Brexit shows exactly the upheaval and problems you can have when separating from your neighbours - and the UK union has even closer links than between the UK and EU.

I mean - I'm still in favour of independence. I just think we need to go into it with our eyes open and with tough resolve to get through the challenging period immediately post-change.

One of the biggest problems with Brexit is that so many people feel that it was a change they didn't want or vote for, so the consequences are harder to swallow.

[Jack]

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"Every hand's a winner, and every hand's a loser" and all that.

A decent case could be made that Brexit shows exactly the upheaval and problems you can have when separating from your neighbours - and the UK union has even closer links than between the UK and EU.

I mean - I'm still in favour of independence. I just think we need to go into it with our eyes open and with tough resolve to get through the challenging period immediately post-change.

One of the biggest problems with Brexit is that so many people feel that it was a change they didn't want or vote for, so the consequences are harder to swallow.

I really can't see the torys/unionists telling Scotland it should stay part of the union using a failed Brexit as an example.

[lapsedhibee]

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I really can't see the torys/unionists telling Scotland it should stay part of the union using a failed Brexit as an example.

Definitely will, though without acknowledging any failure. At some point "disruption" will become the most overused word in the history of TV, radio and the written press.

[Skol]

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Quite exciting 👍 . The focus has to be on the middle undecideds, a huge proportion will be stuck one way or the other unfortunately. Brexit will obviously be the big trump card

Forgive me if I am not quite as excited as you all. However I do agree that the work on the case for Independence needs to be revisited as this to me is the key to all of this and do we break the stalemate.

[Jack]

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That's my thinking. It's not like we don't have social care issues too. Lets not forget the Care Home (think it was in the Highlands) that the SG had to purchase and the NHS took over the running of it around the time of the first wave of the Pandemic. There is bound to be others like that in need of Gov support to bring them up to and above an acceptable standard of care.

I would hope not!

The Care Commission regularly visit care homes to ensure they meet a minimum standard. If private companies can't run these places to at least that standard they should be confiscated and taken into public ownership/care never mind bought over!

[degenerated]

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Should we not be concerned about how the SNP will use the cash when they receive it?

Firstly we should be concerned as to how much of our own cash the generously bestow upon us

[Santa Cruz]

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I would hope not!

The Care Commission regularly visit care homes to ensure they meet a minimum standard. If private companies can't run these places to at least that standard they should be confiscated and taken into public ownership/care never mind bought over!

I don't know if you can read this, but yes, sadly there is more. The CC have upped their spot checks.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...ignity-3336221

[degenerated]

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I'll be there on my 󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I would have been but am in the wilds of Argyll and won't be back till Saturday evening, which is a bit of a scunner.
Not had much of a chance to use my new bike as much as I would have liked.

[660]

As an independence supporter I have almost zero confidence we will win

[Ozyhibby]

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[Ozyhibby]

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I would not be happy if that is the case. I do not believe that is how it will work though and the Scottish Government will receive their share to spend with the agreed powers they have

Now confirmed that the SG will not receive the money and it will be spent by the Tories. Devolution is being rolled back.


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[Santa Cruz]

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Now confirmed that the SG will not receive the money and it will be spent by the Tories. Devolution is being rolled back.


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Has it not been ringfenced for health and social care spending? I don't have a problem with that, that's the area I want my additional N.I. contributions to be spent.

[greenlex]

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Has it not been ringfenced for health and social care spending? I don't have a problem with that, that's the area I want my additional N.I. contributions to be spent.

If health and social care is devolved and this NI hike is ring fenced how can you be happy not getting any of it for social care?

[Ozyhibby]

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Has it not been ringfenced for health and social care spending? I don't have a problem with that, that's the area I want my additional N.I. contributions to be spent.

We elect the SG to allocate resources in health and social care. That’s what we voted for in a referendum back in 1997. This is now being taken away from us against our wishes.


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[JeMeSouviens]

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Has it not been ringfenced for health and social care spending? I don't have a problem with that, that's the area I want my additional N.I. contributions to be spent.

What if they ring fence the next thing for something you don’t like? The principle of breaking the devo settlement will be established.

[Glory Lurker]

As the party of devolution, Labour has to be against this.

[Santa Cruz]

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What if they ring fence the next thing for something you don’t like? The principle of breaking the devo settlement will be established.

I'm not convinced they would do that, they won't want to increase support for Independence.

[Callum_62]

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As the party of devolution, Labour has to be against this.

Depends on what the opposite of the SNP press release is

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[Callum_62]

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I'm not convinced they would do that, they won't want to increase support for Independence.

Your not convinced the current tory Govt would do anything to increase support for independance?





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[Moulin Yarns]

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https://twitter.com/petermacmahon/st...655269376?s=21


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Cracking thread.

[Skol]

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Now confirmed that the SG will not receive the money and it will be spent by the Tories. Devolution is being rolled back.


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Where did you see that ?

[Skol]

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Has it not been ringfenced for health and social care spending? I don't have a problem with that, that's the area I want my additional N.I. contributions to be spent.

That is my understanding. And we will receive c15% more than we pay in. Ok NI is not the right way to raise this money though.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I'm not convinced they would do that, they won't want to increase support for Independence.

In the short term, probably not. But in the longer term we will either be independent or the "threat" of indy will die back sufficiently that they won't care. The Tories are definitely moving in the direction of neutering the limited power Holyrood has.

[Santa Cruz]

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In the short term, probably not. But in the longer term we will either be independent or the "threat" of indy will die back sufficiently that they won't care. The Tories are definitely moving in the direction of neutering the limited power Holyrood has.

Understand your view point, but they hurt their party politically yesterday. Increasing N.I. and pausing the triple lock will not go down well with their voters. That's a Labour gain. Yesterday's decision is a win win for me for this reason and more much needed money specifically for Health here.

[Ozyhibby]

They didn’t hurt their party politically at all. They protected wealthy old peoples inheritances by putting the cost onto poorer younger people. If you think that hurts the Tory party then you have not been paying attention.


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[ronaldo7]

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Understand your view point, but they hurt their party politically yesterday. Increasing N.I. and pausing the triple lock will not go down well with their voters. That's a Labour gain. Yesterday's decision is a win win for me for this reason and more much needed money specifically for Health here.

Good luck with that.

[Santa Cruz]

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They didn’t hurt their party politically at all. They protected wealthy old peoples inheritances by putting the cost onto poorer younger people. If you think that hurts the Tory party then you have not been paying attention.


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All the Labour seats in the North of England they won from Labour are not filled with typically affluent tory type voters.

[JeMeSouviens]

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