Scottish Independence

**Skol** · 07-09-2021 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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https://inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-jo...rd-snp-1186032

Scots paying for social care twice.

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Is it not within the gift of Scottish Government to redirect one of these payments to another area that needs attention?

***Ozyhibby*** · 07-09-2021 08:25 AM

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***Ozyhibby*** · 07-09-2021 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Skol

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Is it not within the gift of Scottish Government to redirect one of these payments to another area that needs attention?

The government of Scotland does not want to introduce a regressive tax though.

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***JimBHibees*** · 07-09-2021 08:50 AM

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Total rubbish, there are a number of people who voted YES last time around but would have more sense to vote for it now. I would vote YES if and when the terms were right, I and many like me are of the opinion the time is not right, and furthermore as it turns out had we won the last referendum we would have been up chit creek without a paddle.

So you voted yes in 2014 and the subsequent political landscape since then including brexit and an extreme Tory government has convinced you to now vote no. Personally find that very hard to believe.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 07-09-2021 10:16 AM

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So you voted yes in 2014 and the subsequent political landscape since then including brexit and an extreme Tory government has convinced you to now vote no. Personally find that very hard to believe.

If you read the post again then you will notice that he wished that we had won the referendum last time. His hard line unionist facade is slipping 😉

**Skol** · 07-09-2021 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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The government of Scotland does not want to introduce a regressive tax though.

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Yeah, so thats the issue, not that we are paying for social care twice ?

***Ozyhibby*** · 07-09-2021 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Skol

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Yeah, so thats the issue, not that we are paying for social care twice ?

In Scotland we chose to raise income tax on higher earners to fund social care a couple of years ago. It’s done. Now though, we are being told we have to pay higher NI to fund England’s social care.

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**Skol** · 07-09-2021 11:12 AM

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In Scotland we chose to raise income tax on higher earners to fund social care a couple of years ago. It’s done. Now though, we are being told we have to pay higher NI to fund England’s social care.

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So we agree NI isnt the best way to achieve this, but thats what England are doing and we will get the cash back. We can then either reduce the income tax or choose to use that income tax differently. Scotland are not paying twice, its not a poll tax and we are not paying to solve englands problem

**~~ronaldo7~~** · 07-09-2021 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Skol

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So we agree NI isnt the best way to achieve this, but thats what England are doing and we will get the cash back. We can then either reduce the income tax or choose to use that income tax differently. Scotland are not paying twice, its not a poll tax and we are not paying to solve englands problem

Not sure the Tories will use all the cash for their social care plan. We'll probably see some syphoned off for their 40 new hospitals, and the social care elements will be watered down.

**JeMeSouviens** · 07-09-2021 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Skol

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So we agree NI isnt the best way to achieve this, but thats what England are doing and we will get the cash back. We can then either reduce the income tax or choose to use that income tax differently. Scotland are not paying twice, its not a poll tax and we are not paying to solve englands problem

Scotland's budget is determined by what England spends, not what the UK taxes.

**Skol** · 07-09-2021 11:25 AM

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Not sure the Tories will use all the cash for their social care plan. We'll probably see some syphoned off for their 40 new hospitals, and the social care elements will be watered down.

Should we not be concerned about how the SNP will use the cash when they receive it?

**~~ronaldo7~~** · 07-09-2021 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Skol

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Should we not be concerned about how the SNP will use the cash when they receive it?

Are you so sure we'll actually receive it, and the Parliament won't be side lined by some Unionist levelling up programme.

***Mon Dieu4*** · 07-09-2021 11:59 AM

Liked his dig about how Labour did nothing about it, acting like the Tories only took over yesterday

**Santa Cruz** · 07-09-2021 12:12 PM

I'm listening to this in the background. Did Blackford just say "keep your mitts of our NHS"? I'm not sure if I misheard.

See all the jeering and cheering in WM it's ridiculous, they really need to modernise their Parliament in line with the 21st century.

***weecounty hibby*** · 07-09-2021 12:14 PM

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I'm listening to this in the background. Did Blackford just say "keep your mitts of our NHS"? I'm not sure if I misheard.

See all the jeering and cheering in WM it's ridiculous, they really need to modernise their Parliament in line with the 21st century.

Je did. Johnson has already said that they will decide where any extra funds are spent. Tax us more then try to take away powers all at the same time. And still we will have folk telling us that it's a great idea being told what to do. Erm, I mean being a partner in the union!

**Santa Cruz** · 07-09-2021 12:20 PM

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Je did. Johnson has already said that they will decide where any extra funds are spent. Tax us more then try to take away powers all at the same time. And still we will have folk telling us that it's a great idea being told what to do. Erm, I mean being a partner in the union!

Thanks, I thought I had misheard at first. He plagiarised that line from a Labour Conference years ago. It was a very powerful speech about the NHS. Lazy wee toad.

***Smartie*** · 07-09-2021 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Santa Cruz

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I'm listening to this in the background. Did Blackford just say "keep your mitts of our NHS"? I'm not sure if I misheard.

See all the jeering and cheering in WM it's ridiculous, they really need to modernise their Parliament in line with the 21st century.

If they did, then it could be (a very small) part of something that might tempt some of the softer supporters of independence away.

But there's no appetite for that down South so it will never happen. They're either happy or they don't care.

I think parliament is ridiculous. It's the 21st century FFS - the people who run our country should be able to debate in a clear fashion without all that braying and other historical drivel.

***Ozyhibby*** · 07-09-2021 12:36 PM

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Should we not be concerned about how the SNP will use the cash when they receive it?

Looks like the SG will not receive the money. It will be spent by the Tories. I’m sure it still has your full support though?

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**Skol** · 07-09-2021 12:44 PM

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Looks like the SG will not receive the money. It will be spent by the Tories. I’m sure it still has your full support though?

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I would not be happy if that is the case. I do not believe that is how it will work though and the Scottish Government will receive their share to spend with the agreed powers they have

***Moulin Yarns*** · 07-09-2021 12:46 PM

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Looks like the SG will not receive the money. It will be spent by the Tories. I’m sure it still has your full support though?

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Of course it will be spent by the tories, on Scotland's behalf, to further skew the GERS figures. 😉

**Santa Cruz** · 07-09-2021 01:16 PM

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I would not be happy if that is the case. I do not believe that is how it will work though and the Scottish Government will receive their share to spend with the agreed powers they have

That's my thinking. It's not like we don't have social care issues too. Lets not forget the Care Home (think it was in the Highlands) that the SG had to purchase and the NHS took over the running of it around the time of the first wave of the Pandemic. There is bound to be others like that in need of Gov support to bring them up to and above an acceptable standard of care.

**~~ronaldo7~~** · 07-09-2021 01:38 PM

We're up and running again. Let's do it.

https://www.yes.scot/signup/

***Moulin Yarns*** · 07-09-2021 01:39 PM

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That's my thinking. It's not like we don't have social care issues too. Lets not forget the Care Home (think it was in the Highlands) that the SG had to purchase and the NHS took over the running of it around the time of the first wave of the Pandemic. There is bound to be others like that in need of Gov support to bring them up to and above an acceptable standard of care.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-54013830

This one.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 07-09-2021 01:41 PM

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We're up and running again. Let's do it.

https://www.yes.scot/signup/

You going to Stirling on Saturday?

**~~ronaldo7~~** · 07-09-2021 01:41 PM

FM prog for Gov.

"We will introduce the Miners’ Pardon Bill to provide a collective pardon for those convicted of certain offences during the 1984/85 miners’ strike.

"I hope this will bring closure to those convicted, their families, and the communities affected.

**~~ronaldo7~~** · 07-09-2021 01:42 PM

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You going to Stirling on Saturday?

**Santa Cruz** · 07-09-2021 01:42 PM

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-54013830

This one.

Yeah. Ta.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 07-09-2021 01:43 PM

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I would not be happy if that is the case. I do not believe that is how it will work though and the Scottish Government will receive their share to spend with the agreed powers they have

Prime Minister saying he will direct how money raised by his National Insurance hike is spent in Scotland, Wales and Northern.

Utter disrespect and disregard for devolution, and our Scottish Parliament. #PowerGrab #NationalInsurance https://t.co/UBLaNeE4cc