Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[Just_Jimmy]

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I thought the poster was England based.

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I am. Cheers.

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[Casey1875]

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I have far more of a clue than you based on your posts on this subject. No one that has had Covid have been advised that they don’t need the jab. If you don’t want one for your hooky ideas that’s fine. Just don’t come to football or public events.

Explain to me how the jag will give a different type of immunity to actually having it then please. You do know what was in the jag and provides the reaction yeah?

[easty]

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Please go and Google dictionary definition of a vaccine and then come back and tell me how it is a vaccine.

Its certainly not a case of im alright Jack, I've worn a mask/sanitised throughout. Your reaction is part of what is talked about earlier making out anyone with a different thought process is a nutter.

I have a degree in the subject and have made my choice based on my knowledge, you think I'm wrong fine.

Whats your degree? What do you do for work? Why are your peers (the vast vast majority) disagreeing with you?

[Andy74]

Amazing how many people still think that the vaccine can’t stop you getting Covid. There’s a big difference between not being 100% effective at doing it and not doing it at all.

[portyfelly]

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[wookie70]

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I know a few people that won’t get the vaccine They are mostly people who are into alternative lifestyles and simply believe Thier immune system and vitamins herbal medicines will protect them
But a lot are called Light Workers with Spiritual connections Some are clearly ant any vaccine but others just say if it’s proven after the trials the vaccine works they would take it if still needed
None of the people I know have been ill and none of Thier family have been ill
Would be interested to know why so
Many footballers haven’t taken the jab





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I know a girl who is the same. She is into yoga etc and her and lots of her friends have had Covid with hardly any ill effects. Her friends who have had vaccines have all been more ill than those who haven't. All anecdotal but it is fairly clear the fitter and stronger you are the less likely that you will suffer major consequences. Her friends all eat very well and are fit and take wellbeing very seriously. They have made an educated choice and not taken the vaccine. I respect them for than particularly as the girl I know has already had the virus and built up immunity. As a fat 50 odd year old I took the vaccine.

If this is all about safety then everyone who hasn't had two jags should not be allowed to attend regardless of age or medical status.

[Casey1875]

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Whats your degree? What do you do for work? Why are your peers (the vast vast majority) disagreeing with you?

Forensic biology, granted not virology however enough to understand the processes of the body pretty well. I do not work in a lab which I am guessing is your point, to make my thoughts on the matter irrelevant. There are not a great deal of peer reviewed papers out there regarding the protection given by natural immunity v those who have had the jags. Once there is my position may change. I'm taking part in the trial looking at the antibodies just now and again the results of that might change my mind.

People have got things wrong in the past and I would rather wait on more information before making this choice.

[neil7908]

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I know a girl who is the same. She is into yoga etc and her and lots of her friends have had Covid with hardly any ill effects. Her friends who have had vaccines have all been more ill than those who haven't. All anecdotal but it is fairly clear the fitter and stronger you are the less likely that you will suffer major consequences. Her friends all eat very well and are fit and take wellbeing very seriously. They have made an educated choice and not taken the vaccine. I respect them for than particularly as the girl I know has already had the virus and built up immunity. As a fat 50 odd year old I took the vaccine.

If this is all about safety then everyone who hasn't had two jags should not be allowed to attend regardless of age or medical status.

But its not about their health. It's about the health of others. This "I'm alright Jack" stuff keeps coming up. They will almost certainly be fine (although they have less chance of issues if vaccinated).

They are putting others at greater risk by not getting it.

[mcohibs]

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What exactly is so outrageous about any of they reasons?

I mean literally all of it...

"Its not a vaccine for starters, you can still catch it and pass it on being a big one." It is by definition a vaccine - 'a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease.'

"I felt I would likely be OK if I did catch it, which proved to be the case". Well done you, great foresight.

"Now that I have had it, I don't see the point in getting the vaccine as I have my own immunity." I'm sure those that are most are risk are delighted that you've taken such a well informed decision to not give a **** about them.

"These added to the fact that it is still experimental chose me not to get it." Stay off of Facebook mate.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Double vaccinated myself but don't like the idea of a two tier society with people being shut out.

[Ronniekirk]

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I know a girl who is the same. She is into yoga etc and her and lots of her friends have had Covid with hardly any ill effects. Her friends who have had vaccines have all been more ill than those who haven't. All anecdotal but it is fairly clear the fitter and stronger you are the less likely that you will suffer major consequences. Her friends all eat very well and are fit and take wellbeing very seriously. They have made an educated choice and not taken the vaccine. I respect them for than particularly as the girl I know has already had the virus and built up immunity. As a fat 50 odd year old I took the vaccine.

If this is all about safety then everyone who hasn't had two jags should not be allowed to attend regardless of age or medical status.

I am a fat 63 year old ffs


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[Smartie]

This thread really shows how big the job is that the government have in their hands, given the wildly different opinions, experiences and knowledge we all have.

It’s probably easier when you can have tanks and guns on the streets rather than a free society where we’re all entitled to an opinion, whether it is one of uber compliance or bat**** crazy conspiracy theory.

[HibsGW]

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I mean literally all of it...

"Its not a vaccine for starters, you can still catch it and pass it on being a big one." It is by definition a vaccine - 'a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease.'

"I felt I would likely be OK if I did catch it, which proved to be the case". Well done you, great foresight.

"Now that I have had it, I don't see the point in getting the vaccine as I have my own immunity." I'm sure those that are most are risk are delighted that you've taken such a well informed decision to not give a **** about them.

"These added to the fact that it is still experimental chose me not to get it." Stay off of Facebook mate.

Bang on, it’s actually disappointing still having to explain why these things are wrong to people.

[easty]

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Forensic biology, granted not virology however enough to understand the processes of the body pretty well. I do not work in a lab which I am guessing is your point, to make my thoughts on the matter irrelevant. There are not a great deal of peer reviewed papers out there regarding the protection given by natural immunity v those who have had the jags. Once there is my position may change. I'm taking part in the trial looking at the antibodies just now and again the results of that might change my mind.

People have got things wrong in the past and I would rather wait on more information before making this choice.

My point had nothing to do with if you worked in a lab or not. You brought having a degree in the subject into the discussion, so as to back yourself up. However, you don’t have a degree in it at all.

A degree in a science discipline isn’t a degree in all science.

[Hibs90]

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Please go and Google dictionary definition of a vaccine and then come back and tell me how it is a vaccine.

Its certainly not a case of im alright Jack, I've worn a mask/sanitised throughout. Your reaction is part of what is talked about earlier making out anyone with a different thought process is a nutter.

I have a degree in the subject and have made my choice based on my knowledge, you think I'm wrong fine.

You are wrong. It is a vaccine, that, may I add was created by scientists in an unbelievable time frame. A remarkable achievement in itself.

Has there been complications? Are they side effects? Yes of course, but go look at the side effects leaflet of paracetamol and compare. Side effects happen with every drug or vaccine and it’s a lottery based on your body whether you get any or not.

I work in virology, in a laboratory and I’m very much aware of what a vaccine is, and this one is most definitely a vaccine, which works.

[Casey1875]

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I mean literally all of it...

"Its not a vaccine for starters, you can still catch it and pass it on being a big one." It is by definition a vaccine - 'a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease.'

"I felt I would likely be OK if I did catch it, which proved to be the case". Well done you, great foresight.

"Now that I have had it, I don't see the point in getting the vaccine as I have my own immunity." I'm sure those that are most are risk are delighted that you've taken such a well informed decision to not give a **** about them.

"These added to the fact that it is still experimental chose me not to get it." Stay off of Facebook mate.

A vaccine is a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

It was based on a lot of factors that I thought I would be fine, such as the research done, I am young and fit with no underlying health conditions. If any of that wasn't the case I would likely have had it.

It still is considered experimental whether you or anyone else likes it.

[lord bunberry]

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Forensic biology, granted not virology however enough to understand the processes of the body pretty well. I do not work in a lab which I am guessing is your point, to make my thoughts on the matter irrelevant. There are not a great deal of peer reviewed papers out there regarding the protection given by natural immunity v those who have had the jags. Once there is my position may change. I'm taking part in the trial looking at the antibodies just now and again the results of that might change my mind.

People have got things wrong in the past and I would rather wait on more information before making this choice.

And you’re entitled to wait before making that choice, but you won’t be able to do the things vaccinated people can.

[mcohibs]

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A vaccine is a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

It was based on a lot of factors that I thought I would be fine, such as the research done, I am young and fit with no underlying health conditions. If any of that wasn't the case I would likely have had it.

It still is considered experimental whether you or anyone else likes it.

It's not about you. Getting the vaccine reduces the chance of you spreading Covid to other people and ultimately, those most at risk. It's really not difficult to understand.

Give me some evidence as to how the vaccine is experimental. You've said that a couple of times with nothing to back it up. What is your source for that claim?

[Casey1875]

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You are wrong. It is a vaccine, that, may I add was created by scientists in an unbelievable time frame. A remarkable achievement in itself.

Has there been complications? Are they side effects? Yes of course, but go look at the side effects leaflet of paracetamol and compare. Side effects happen with every drug or vaccine and it’s a lottery based on your body whether you get any or not.

I work in virology, in a laboratory and I’m very much aware of what a vaccine is, and this one is most definitely a vaccine, which works.

Can you please tell me the benefits of having this then having already had covid? Is there a measurable difference in protection provided? Or is it just a case of it shouldn't do any harm so get it to get a passport?

[Hibs90]

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A vaccine is a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies

There you go, just said it yourself. That’s exactly what the covid vaccine is.

[HibsGW]

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Can you please tell me the benefits of having this then having already had covid? Is there a measurable difference in protection provided? Or is it just a case of it shouldn't do any harm so get it to get a passport?

Stronger immunity, natural immunity doesn’t last very long. This has been in the media for the best part of about a year now.

[Hibs90]

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Can you please tell me the benefits of having this then having already had covid? Is there a measurable difference in protection provided? Or is it just a case of it shouldn't do any harm so get it to get a passport?

If you were to catch covid for a second time, the vaccine will help stimulate anti-bodies and reduces the risk of transmission to others, and therefore reduce any symptoms you may have. Even if you ended up with zero symptoms, surely the factor alone that it reduces the chances of possible transmission to those more vulnerable would make you think it’s worthwhile.

Sorry but I feel as if your approach is a very selfish one. Personally, if it helps save peoples lives then I’m more than happy to help by taking the vaccine.. Being fairly young myself, and not having had covid before, it’s quite simply a no brainer. As time goes on the vaccine will make improvements as it would in a normal “development” scenario which may take years but this version is a remarkable feat in itself as one which the world should not take lightly. It’s a crying shame that those who are anti vax or believe all the nonsense stuff they read online are having as much of an influence on some, as it may just end up costing someone else’s life.

[Casey1875]

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It's not about you. Getting the vaccine reduces the chance of you spreading Covid to other people and ultimately, those most at risk. It's really not difficult to understand.

Give me some evidence as to how the vaccine is experimental. You've said that a couple of times with nothing to back it up. What is your source for that claim?

Can you explain why my own bodies response to having it would be less effective than being double jagged when the jags are basically doing the same thing as my body has done and cause the production of antibodies?

I'm genuinely intrigued to see if there is something I have completely missed.

This touches on the fact that they are still classed as experimental however is now a month old:
https://www.science.org/news/2021/07/when-will-covid-19-vaccines-be-fully-approved-and-does-it-matter-if-they-are

[MWHIBBIES]

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CAn get into Portugal and have a holiday, but cant get into Easter Road, this is becoming a joke

To travel to Portugal, do you use a boarding pass, passport, go through security checks etc? Yes. Because that's the criteria to fly.

This is the criteria to get into ER. Simple really.

[MartinfaePorty]

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Can you please tell me the benefits of having this then having already had covid? Is there a measurable difference in protection provided? Or is it just a case of it shouldn't do any harm so get it to get a passport?

Just back from holiday where I met a young, very fit guy who caught Covid before he was vaccinated and now has long Covid symptoms. Whilst not being severely detrimental to his life, he would rather not have the intermittent severe headaches that he gets in certain situations, hence why I would be very careful about people being 'confident' if they caught Covid they will be fine.

[Casey1875]

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If you were to catch covid for a second time, the vaccine will help stimulate anti-bodies and reduces the risk of transmission to others, and therefore reduce any symptoms you may have. Even if you ended up with zero symptoms, surely the factor alone that it reduces the chances of possible transmission to those more vulnerable would make you think it’s worthwhile.

Sorry but I feel as if your approach is a very selfish one. Personally, if it helps save peoples lives then I’m more than happy to help by taking the vaccine.. Being fairly young myself, and not having had covid before, it’s quite simply a no brainer. As time goes on the vaccine will make improvements as it would in a normal “development” scenario which may take years but this version is a remarkable feat in itself as one which the world should not take lightly. It’s a crying shame that those who are anti vax or believe all the nonsense stuff they read online are having as much of an influence on some, as it may just end up costing someone else’s life.

I am not antivax, I would not try and influence anyone else's decision to have it or not. I would just rather wait until a bit more research is done into this. I get that the majority think my views are stupid and I have already said that I am willing to deal with not being allowed into events etc. I will continue with the antibody trial I am doing and at the end of that or when other information comes available then I may get it.

I do think that any sort of vaccine passport is starting on a slippery slope though but again I realise I'm in the minority with that.

[nonshinyfinish]

In the language of drug development/approval, most of the vaccines are technically experimental – all new treatments are classed as experimental until they are approved by the relevant regulatory body (such as the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine being recently approved by the US FDA).

However, that 'experimental' status covers a huge amount of ground:

At one end you have experimental treatments for rare diseases, which have only been given to a handful of patients purely because so few patients exist.

In the middle are 'normal' drugs for widespread diseases – cancer treatments etc – which have been given to thousands or tens of thousands of patients as part of clinical trials to gather evidence for approval.

At the other end are the covid vaccines. While most are technically still experimental, they've been given to millions and millions of patients and there is almost certainly more data on them than any other 'experimental' treatment in history.

[Moulin Yarns]

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A vaccine is a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

It was based on a lot of factors that I thought I would be fine, such as the research done, I am young and fit with no underlying health conditions. If any of that wasn't the case I would likely have had it.

It still is considered experimental whether you or anyone else likes it.

An approved drug, or vaccine, that is approved by scientists for use on the population is most definately experimental!!

Out of curiousity, do you test regularly?

[wookie70]

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Sorry but I feel as if your approach is a very selfish one.

Surely going to the Fitba whether vaccinated or not or holding a passport is essentially a selfish act. If you don't want to run the risk stay away from others

[CentreLine]

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Without wanting to sound like a dick, you have no clue what you are talking about. The jag is used to create an immune response in your body so having the jag and getting covid both give you the same protection.


How long were mmr vaccines tested prior to being rolled out?

The vaccine works in a different way to having had the virus. Exposure to the virus allows the body’s immune system to recognise and fight infection. One reason that COVID-19 has been so effective is that it actually uses some of the body’s defensive enzymes to penetrate the body. These enzymes are especially found in the nasal passage, the lungs and the gut.

The vaccine has been developed without using parts of covid-19 but instead caused the body to reject the spike proteins on the virus. No vaccine is 100% effective but this model has so far proved very capable of keeping people safe.
The benefit of this change to vaccine manufacture is that, at least in theory, the way for the virus to overcome this defence is to dispense with its spike proteins. That, of course, would be counter productive and a victory for modern science. Fingers crossed 🤞