Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[Rumble de Thump]

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Does anyone actually follow these rules and if not what’s the consequences?

Everyone knows the answers to these questions. Surely you don't need someone to state the obvious to you.

[pedroorange1875]

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Mr Anti-Vax" dies

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.w...19-battle/amp/

There is a massive difference in these folk that are "anti-vax" and spout antecdotal nonsense with social media substance, to the other folks that are uncomfortable with a rushed out emergency "vaccine" (i accept in the US the Pfizer is now an official vaccine) who have various vaccines inside them that are tried and tested properly with decades of data, but yes Mr Anti vax is dead, as are another 2 on the radio from Florida, i can look that up and believe the BBC also along with the very prominent stories of all the other anti vax people that wished they had go tthe vaccine.

On the matter of getting into Easter Road, if all the folks have the vaccine and all the figures are as accurate as the BBC says then why is there a restriction, as the most that will happen is a "mild symptom" period that will not lead to hospital or death

[1875godsgift]

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There is a massive difference in these folk that are "anti-vax" and spout antecdotal nonsense with social media substance, to the other folks that are uncomfortable with a rushed out emergency "vaccine" (i accept in the US the Pfizer is now an official vaccine) who have various vaccines inside them that are tried and tested properly with decades of data, but yes Mr Anti vax is dead, as are another 2 on the radio from Florida, i can look that up and believe the BBC also along with the very prominent stories of all the other anti vax people that wished they had go tthe vaccine.

On the matter of getting into Easter Road, if all the folks have the vaccine and all the figures are as accurate as the BBC says then why is there a restriction, as the most that will happen is a "mild symptom" period that will not lead to hospital or death

The most severe thing that can happen is DEATH. Either to yourself or someone you pass the virus onto.

Double vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus, less likely to spread it and less likely to be hospitalised, but if they catch it there is a possibility they will DIE.

Unvaccinated people are more likely to catch the virus, more likely to spread it, have a higher likelihood of hospitalisation and of DYING.

[007]

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There is a massive difference in these folk that are "anti-vax" and spout antecdotal nonsense with social media substance, to the other folks that are uncomfortable with a rushed out emergency "vaccine" (i accept in the US the Pfizer is now an official vaccine) who have various vaccines inside them that are tried and tested properly with decades of data, but yes Mr Anti vax is dead, as are another 2 on the radio from Florida, i can look that up and believe the BBC also along with the very prominent stories of all the other anti vax people that wished they had go tthe vaccine.

On the matter of getting into Easter Road, if all the folks have the vaccine and all the figures are as accurate as the BBC says then why is there a restriction, as the most that will happen is a "mild symptom" period that will not lead to hospital or death

A lot of those people are probably uncomfortable because they believe stuff they've read on Facebook which has likely been spread by Russian disinformation farms or something similar. There is plenty of information available explaining how scientists were able to develop vaccines for COVID-19 at a much faster pace.

For some bizarre reason a lot of people readily believe what they read on Facebook from an unknown source don't believe some of the most qualified people on virology on the planet when they appear on national TV.

You said "if all the folks have the vaccine and all the figures are as accurate as the BBC says then why is there a restriction, as the most that will happen is a "mild symptom" period that will not lead to hospital or death"

That doesn't make sense. You are asking if all the folks have the vaccine then why the restriction?

[neil7908]

I'm not sure why this is controversial at all. We have a left leaning Govt in Scotland, right wing in the UK, and centrist in France all adopting similar measures. And that's just off the top of my head. That tells me there is a broad, well understood scientific basis for this given its attracted action from politicians across the political spectrum.

Ultimately its the same any discourse about freedoms - your freedom ends at the point it starts to infringe on mine. You can't shout fire in a crowded theatre as it it could lead to a panic, stampede etc and hurt others. This is no different. Why should you be able to enjoy life as normal when you are at greater risk of causing serous hurt or death to others.

The other thing that strikes me is how many people not taking the vaccine say "but I've had covid and been fine etc". That sums it up for me. Great for you, not so great for others.

All the slippery slope stuff falls under the slippery slope fallacy. There is no credible evidence Govts are doing this for any other reason. Just saying "ah but what if" isn't a cohesive argument, and can be used against any change.

I would extend the vaccine passport to any non essential indoor venue including pubs, restaurants and cafes but this is probably a reasonable start. I think more will be needed though as we go into winter.

[JimBHibees]

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I thought the poster was England based.

J

Apologies

[Bristolhibby]

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There is coercion though. You may be excluded from events for not taking it. Someone carrying both a vaccination card and covid will be allowed in but someone with neither a card or the virus won't.

Has the government, for citizens within the UK, ever restricted liberty within our countries on the back of someone making a personal and imo private medical decision.

I’d never been in a National lockdown until last March.

The rule book is out the window now. These are changed times.

J

[Brightside]

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I cant speak for anyone else but there are a few reasons I chose not to have it. Its not a vaccine for starters, you can still catch it and pass it on being a big one. I felt I would likely be OK if I did catch it, which proved to be the case. Now that I have had it, I don't see the point in getting the vaccine as I have my own immunity. These added to the fact that it is still experimental chose me not to get it.

Getting Covid doesn’t make you immune. The jab is no different to the flu jab. It’s to protect you but it’s not 100%. Just like the flu. I know people that have been positive for Covid 3 times now. You have no medical reason for not getting the jab so why not get it. Also did your parents not bother with MMR jabs for you. Or if you have kids did you not bother with that either?

[flash]

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https://changingtimes.media/2021/02/...4ZhqSfEHR_aSBY

The WHO’s VigiBase, VAERS, EudraVigilance, and other databases list hundreds of thousands of reported adverse reactions after Covid vaccination, including thousands of deaths.

As politicians, health authorities, and a mostly enthusiastic public express joy and relief at what they view as the beginning of the end of the pandemic, sceptics point to the growing number of adverse reactions after Covid vaccination, the risks of long-term adverse effects, and the lack of conclusive evidence that vaccination is preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection and virus spread.

The World Health Organisation’s pharmacovigilance database, VigiBase, lists more than 1.7 million reports of adverse reactions following Covid vaccination, including more than 9,500 deaths.

The global death toll from Covid-19 is now put at more than 4.2 million.

Differences in viewpoints about Covid vaccination, and particularly about the implementation of Covid vaccine certificates and the prospect of generalised mandatory vaccination, are causing relationship breakdowns, including traumatic splits in families.

Those who have chosen not to receive a Covid vaccination are shamed and the hesitant are pressured. Financial and other incentives to encourage people to get a Covid vaccination are becoming increasingly widespread.

Most mainstream journalists dismiss or condemn all vaccine hesitancy as wrong and, on social media, serious abuse is levelled at those who argue that they have the right to refuse Covid vaccination. Employers are increasingly making Covid vaccination a requirement for their staff.

There is particular disquiet about DNA and RNA vaccines, which have never previously been approved for human use.

There are concerns that there will, with spike protein vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, be pathogenic priming, also known as disease enhancement.

During studies of spike protein vaccines against SARS-CoV-1, the exposure of vaccinated animals to the virus led to increased morbidity and mortality.

There is also worry about mix-and-match experiments and potential problems when people are given one dose of one vaccine and a booster of a different one.


This isn't the lunatic fringe speaking. People need to start asking questions and mainstream media don't really offer much a platform for a dissenting view.

I don't doubt your figures but, to add perspective, there were no deaths in England in July as a result of being vaccinated. (Source: ONS)
If we didn't have access to jabs am sure the death toll would have been pretty gruesome and we would probably still be heavily restricted.
I assume most people who get seriously ill or even die after taking the vaccine have underlying issues which might not even have been flagged up beforehand.
Having said all that I don't agree with compulsory vaccination but do accept that if you choose not to get it then there may be consequences.

[Tambo]

So when do we expect an announcement? English based hibee here looking to come up at the end of the month for the St Johnstone game but not booking it if I can't get in. Can't justify the price not to see the hibees.

[Sir David Gray]

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So when do we expect an announcement? English based hibee here looking to come up at the end of the month for the St Johnstone game but not booking it if I can't get in. Can't justify the price not to see the hibees.

It's to be debated in parliament next week and will come into effect later this month.

I'd think it should be in place by the St Johnstone game, barring any unforeseen circumstances.

[Stairway 2 7]

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https://changingtimes.media/2021/02/...4ZhqSfEHR_aSBY

The WHO’s VigiBase, VAERS, EudraVigilance, and other databases list hundreds of thousands of reported adverse reactions after Covid vaccination, including thousands of deaths.

As politicians, health authorities, and a mostly enthusiastic public express joy and relief at what they view as the beginning of the end of the pandemic, sceptics point to the growing number of adverse reactions after Covid vaccination, the risks of long-term adverse effects, and the lack of conclusive evidence that vaccination is preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection and virus spread.

The World Health Organisation’s pharmacovigilance database, VigiBase, lists more than 1.7 million reports of adverse reactions following Covid vaccination, including more than 9,500 deaths.

The global death toll from Covid-19 is now put at more than 4.2 million.

Differences in viewpoints about Covid vaccination, and particularly about the implementation of Covid vaccine certificates and the prospect of generalised mandatory vaccination, are causing relationship breakdowns, including traumatic splits in families.

Those who have chosen not to receive a Covid vaccination are shamed and the hesitant are pressured. Financial and other incentives to encourage people to get a Covid vaccination are becoming increasingly widespread.

Most mainstream journalists dismiss or condemn all vaccine hesitancy as wrong and, on social media, serious abuse is levelled at those who argue that they have the right to refuse Covid vaccination. Employers are increasingly making Covid vaccination a requirement for their staff.

There is particular disquiet about DNA and RNA vaccines, which have never previously been approved for human use.

There are concerns that there will, with spike protein vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, be pathogenic priming, also known as disease enhancement.

During studies of spike protein vaccines against SARS-CoV-1, the exposure of vaccinated animals to the virus led to increased morbidity and mortality.

There is also worry about mix-and-match experiments and potential problems when people are given one dose of one vaccine and a booster of a different one.


This isn't the lunatic fringe speaking. People need to start asking questions and mainstream media don't really offer much a platform for a dissenting view.

You really need to change the media you read because that is bat **** crazy. Changing dna 😆 rna has been studied for 30 years and it's great it works so well, there is now a hiv vaccine that uses rna that has a lot of hope.

Of the million plus side affects that can include headache fatigue and tiredness. There has never been a more closely studied vaccine in history. They took their time but now has full approval in the US for example, its anything but experimental. Its estimated the roll out has already saved more than 100,000 lives in the UK alone so far.

Get vaccinated tell your friends to get vaccinated, if they don't you can tell them how the hibs game went whilst they were at IKEA

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5a6bc8d2-62cd-4470-8a42-5ebb054c6ae3

[Stairway 2 7]

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So when do we expect an announcement? English based hibee here looking to come up at the end of the month for the St Johnstone game but not booking it if I can't get in. Can't justify the price not to see the hibees.

English app will work to get you in, just like it does in the eu

[mcohibs]

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I cant speak for anyone else but there are a few reasons I chose not to have it. Its not a vaccine for starters, you can still catch it and pass it on being a big one. I felt I would likely be OK if I did catch it, which proved to be the case. Now that I have had it, I don't see the point in getting the vaccine as I have my own immunity. These added to the fact that it is still experimental chose me not to get it.

Jesus christ man

[Dashing Bob S]

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Joe Bloggs by not getting vaccinated could be incubating a super strain of Covid (call it Theta).

Theta is resistant to vaccines and is hyper transmittable. You would be Donald ducked.

The less hosts Covid has, the smaller the opportunity it has to mutate.

Having Vaccine passports is a step to “incentivise” people to get the jags and prevent mutations.

J

Evidence suggests the virus mutates more amongst vaccinated populations as it has to, being blocked by the vaccinated host. So the unvaccinated are possibly in greater danger from the vaccinated rather than the other way around.

[neil7908]

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Evidence suggests the virus mutates more amongst vaccinated populations as it has to, being blocked by the vaccinated host. So the unvaccinated are possibly in greater danger from the vaccinated rather than the other way around.

What evidence are you referring to? Everything I have read suggests that the more virus in circulation, the higher chances of mutation. And although vaccines don't entirely stop transmission, they greatly reduce it.

[Dashing Bob S]

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Jesus christ man

The recent mass Israeli study which received global publicity (outside of the UK) suggested that antibodies from having had Covid were thirteen times more likely to give protection from it than any vaccine. So his approach is a sensible one, provided he has regular antibody tests every few months to ensure they are still in his system. If they are he should stay as he is. If not, he should get vaccinated.

[Zambernardi1875]

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Getting Covid doesn’t make you immune. The jab is no different to the flu jab. It’s to protect you but it’s not 100%. Just like the flu. I know people that have been positive for Covid 3 times now. You have no medical reason for not getting the jab so why not get it. Also did your parents not bother with MMR jabs for you. Or if you have kids did you not bother with that either?

I think the difference for him is, you’re not forced to get the flu jab to go to the football even though you can pass that on also... you also mentioned players haven’t got fully vaccinated. Is there a lot to you’re knowledge that haven’t?

[Casey1875]

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Getting Covid doesn’t make you immune. The jab is no different to the flu jab. It’s to protect you but it’s not 100%. Just like the flu. I know people that have been positive for Covid 3 times now. You have no medical reason for not getting the jab so why not get it. Also did your parents not bother with MMR jabs for you. Or if you have kids did you not bother with that either?

Without wanting to sound like a dick, you have no clue what you are talking about. The jag is used to create an immune response in your body so having the jag and getting covid both give you the same protection.


How long were mmr vaccines tested prior to being rolled out?

[Casey1875]

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Jesus christ man

What exactly is so outrageous about any of they reasons?

[nonshinyfinish]

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What is it that medically except folk have, that means they can attend these events without being vaccinated, that normal people don't have?

Do they have superpowers, are they X-Men?, can't they catch or spread covid?

The difference is that there are far fewer of them.

This post, along with the earlier one where you said…

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Vaccinated people apparently don't get ill as much. So if you are fully vaccinated and the person next to you isn't, then it shouldn't matter one iota to you.

…both suggest you're looking at this from an all-or-nothing point of view – either the vaccine 100% prevents infection or it has zero effect on infection, either everyone in the ground needs to be vaccinated or no one does. But that's not how any of this works, no measure is going to be 100% successful, it's all about percentages and reduction of risk.

The vaccine reduces (without completely preventing) your risk of infection, so you're more likely to be infected by an unvaccinated person sitting next to you. If you are infected by the person next to you, the vaccine means it's unlikely that you'll get seriously ill or die, but it doesn't make it impossible.

A higher rate of infection in the population increases the chance of a dangerous mutation emerging – more people being vaccinated (and therefore having a lower chance of catching and passing on covid) contributes to reducing infection rate.

Medically exempt people are presumably a very small percentage, so their contribution to increasing the risk of spreading infection is small. Of course if the government wanted to reduce the risk of large-scale events as far as possible, they wouldn't allow medical exemptions, but that (rightly) would be deemed socially unacceptable. Likewise, if the government truly wanted to reduce the risk as far as possible, we would hardly have left the house at all since March last year.

All of these measures are a balancing act between reducing risk and allowing normal life to continue. You may think that the wrong balance has been struck, but looking at every measure in binary, all-or-nothing terms doesn't reflect reality.

[hibby rae]

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What exactly is so outrageous about any of they reasons?

Probably the experimental bit for one. It's been well documented how the vaccine was created, and how they achieved it in the time they did.

Also, the reliance on having had covid to give you immunity. Evidence suggests short-term immunity. I've had covid too, I realise I will have had short-term immunity. But I'm getting my second jab today.

Your other option is to lose your immunity, get covid again, then be immune for a while, then repeat until you run out of luck.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Without wanting to sound like a dick, you have no clue what you are talking about. The jag is used to create an immune response in your body so having the jag and getting covid both give you the same protection.


How long were mmr vaccines tested prior to being rolled out?

The length of time for testing vaccine is irrelevant, but the quantity of tests will be about the same. The covid vaccine was already in development due to the Sars outbreak a while ago and was speeded up with money being poured into developing it.

[007]

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I cant speak for anyone else but there are a few reasons I chose not to have it. Its not a vaccine for starters, you can still catch it and pass it on being a big one. I felt I would likely be OK if I did catch it, which proved to be the case. Now that I have had it, I don't see the point in getting the vaccine as I have my own immunity. These added to the fact that it is still experimental chose me not to get it.

= I'm all right Jack. Everyone else can do one.

You're claim it isn't a vaccine is a lie. How does still being able to catch it mean it isn't a vaccine?

Total fabrication by you about it being experimental.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2M70MW

Sounds like you're another who has been brainwashed into believing Facebook disinformation.

[Brightside]

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I think the difference for him is, you’re not forced to get the flu jab to go to the football even though you can pass that on also... you also mentioned players haven’t got fully vaccinated. Is there a lot to you’re knowledge that haven’t?

Yes. Hence why they were all invited to a meeting with government advisors to try and persuade them to stop reading crap off Facebook and go and get jabbed. The clubs aren’t allowed to force it on them and the majority do not have 2 jabs!!

[Brightside]

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Without wanting to sound like a dick, you have no clue what you are talking about. The jag is used to create an immune response in your body so having the jag and getting covid both give you the same protection.


How long were mmr vaccines tested prior to being rolled out?

I have far more of a clue than you based on your posts on this subject. No one that has had Covid have been advised that they don’t need the jab. If you don’t want one for your hooky ideas that’s fine. Just don’t come to football or public events.

[superfurryhibby]

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You really need to change the media you read because that is bat **** crazy. Changing dna 😆 rna has been studied for 30 years and it's great it works so well, there is now a hiv vaccine that uses rna that has a lot of hope.

Of the million plus side affects that can include headache fatigue and tiredness. There has never been a more closely studied vaccine in history. They took their time but now has full approval in the US for example, its anything but experimental. Its estimated the roll out has already saved more than 100,000 lives in the UK alone so far.

Get vaccinated tell your friends to get vaccinated, if they don't you can tell them how the hibs game went whilst they were at IKEA

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....2-5ebb054c6ae3

Is the W.H.O mainstream enough for you?

No need to be such a tool about your reply either, I'm already vaccinated and my pals are able enough to think for themselves. You should try it sometime yourself.

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The field of DNA vaccination is developing rapidly. Vaccines currently being developed use not only DNA, but also include adjuncts that assist DNA to enter cells, target it towards specific cells, or that may act as adjuvants in stimulating or directing the immune response. Ultimately, the distinction between a sophisticated DNA vaccine and a simple viral vector may not be clear. Many aspects of the immune response generated by DNA vaccines are not understood. However, this has not impeded significant progress towards the use of this type of vaccine in humans, and clinical trials have begun.

The first such vaccines licensed for marketing are likely to use plasmid DNA derived from bacterial cells. In future, others may use RNA or may use complexes of nucleic acid molecules and other entities. These guidelines address the production and control of vaccines based on plasmid DNA intended for use in humans. The purpose of these guidelines is to indicate:

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[blackpoolhibs]

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If we are only excluding 15% of the population from society who are also those who trust Facebook posts by Karen for their news source/self-certified virologists, that’s fine by me 👍 medical exemptions are a different kettle of fish which of course should be respected.

Not for me, i know it's harsh, but why should they be exempt?

[Ronniekirk]

I know a few people that won’t get the vaccine They are mostly people who are into alternative lifestyles and simply believe Thier immune system and vitamins herbal medicines will protect them
But a lot are called Light Workers with Spiritual connections Some are clearly ant any vaccine but others just say if it’s proven after the trials the vaccine works they would take it if still needed
None of the people I know have been ill and none of Thier family have been ill
Would be interested to know why so
Many footballers haven’t taken the jab





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[Casey1875]

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= I'm all right Jack. Everyone else can do one.

You're claim it isn't a vaccine is a lie. How does still being able to catch it mean it isn't a vaccine?

Total fabrication by you about it being experimental.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2M70MW

Sounds like you're another who has been brainwashed into believing Facebook disinformation.

Please go and Google dictionary definition of a vaccine and then come back and tell me how it is a vaccine.

Its certainly not a case of im alright Jack, I've worn a mask/sanitised throughout. Your reaction is part of what is talked about earlier making out anyone with a different thought process is a nutter.

I have a degree in the subject and have made my choice based on my knowledge, you think I'm wrong fine.