Scottish Independence

**JeMeSouviens** · 27-08-2021 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by CloudSquall

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Surely by voting against independence the voter in question supports a union with England and therefore is a unionist?

It's not even like "unionist" is used as a pejorative. They call themselves that usually.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 27-08-2021 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by CloudSquall

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Surely by voting against independence the voter in question supports a union with England and therefore is a unionist?

I wonder if the voter in question would be happy being a member of a Union?

**Glory Lurker** · 27-08-2021 04:17 PM

Conservative and Unionist Party.

They started it! :-)

**Crunchie** · 27-08-2021 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by greenlex

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If you don’t want independence then by definition you are a unionist. Maybe you want to be the 51st state of the USA of course ?

Total rubbish, there are a number of people who voted YES last time around but would have more sense to vote for it now. I would vote YES if and when the terms were right, I and many like me are of the opinion the time is not right, and furthermore as it turns out had we won the last referendum we would have been up chit creek without a paddle.

***Callum_62*** · 27-08-2021 04:48 PM

What terms are on offer?

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***Moulin Yarns*** · 27-08-2021 04:50 PM

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Total rubbish, there are a number of people who voted YES last time around but would have more sense to vote for it now. I would vote YES if and when the terms were right, I and many like me are of the opinion the time is not right, and furthermore as it turns out had we won the last referendum we would have been up chit creek without a paddle.

As the 28th member of the EU? 😉

***McD*** · 27-08-2021 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by CloudSquall

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I had a quick look on Wiki and since 2014 there has never been one poll with No anywhere near 60% support.

Why is 60% only a requirement for one side of the debate?

what happens if neither side get 60%?

I'm not being flippant, genuinely curious

***Ozyhibby*** · 27-08-2021 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by McD

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what happens if neither side get 60%?

I'm not being flippant, genuinely curious

The Tories remain in charge of Scotland forever.

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***McD*** · 27-08-2021 05:24 PM

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The Tories remain in charge of Scotland forever.

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I genuinely wasn’t being smartarsed, I was curious as to where things go if, in this 60% scenario, what happens if neither side gets a consistent 60%

***Ozyhibby*** · 27-08-2021 05:31 PM

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I genuinely wasn’t being smartarsed, I was curious as to where things go if, in this 60% scenario, what happens if neither side gets a consistent 60%

I wasn’t either. The status quo prevails under this scenario which suits the unionists down to a T.

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***The Modfather*** · 27-08-2021 05:46 PM

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Total rubbish, there are a number of people who voted YES last time around but would have more sense to vote for it now. I would vote YES if and when the terms were right, I and many like me are of the opinion the time is not right, and furthermore as it turns out had we won the last referendum we would have been up chit creek without a paddle.

As opposed to Brexit and being up chit creek without a paddle in the here and now?

***JimBHibees*** · 27-08-2021 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Callum_62

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What terms are on offer?

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We get to make our own decisions, what a disaster

***Moulin Yarns*** · 27-08-2021 05:51 PM

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I genuinely wasn’t being smartarsed, I was curious as to where things go if, in this 60% scenario, what happens if neither side gets a consistent 60%

There is no need for the NO side to consistently be over 60%. This is the NO side trying to impose the 60% condition on the YES side, a bit like they did in 1979 which effectively delayed devolution for 20 years.

***McD*** · 27-08-2021 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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I wasn’t either. The status quo prevails under this scenario which suits the unionists down to a T.

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fair enough bud, wasn’t sure if you thought I was being a d***

***Moulin Yarns*** · 27-08-2021 09:12 PM

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I would vote YES if and when the terms were right,

Taking this in isolation, assuming that the time is right for a second referendum 18 months from now, what sort of terms are you looking for that you think are right and make you feel better able to vote yes?

I'm genuinely interested. If nothing else to help understand what is needed to persuade you and other like minded people.

No worries if you don't want to answer, but if you don't could you acknowledge the question.

**Crunchie** · 28-08-2021 06:45 AM

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Taking this in isolation, assuming that the time is right for a second referendum 18 months from now, what sort of terms are you looking for that you think are right and make you feel better able to vote yes?

I'm genuinely interested. If nothing else to help understand what is needed to persuade you and other like minded people.

No worries if you don't want to answer, but if you don't could you acknowledge the question.

I've explained my position over and over and all you get are snidey remarks from the cut and pastey man and his chums,so I'll leave it at that.

What I will say is that the UK would have to be in a strong position financially for me to consider it, and
COVID has scuppered any chance of that for a hell of a lot longer than 18mths. The world economy won't recover anytime soon never mind the UK.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 28-08-2021 07:43 AM

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I've explained my position over and over and all you get are snidey remarks from the cut and pastey man and his chums,so I'll leave it at that.

What I will say is that the UK would have to be in a strong position financially for me to consider it, and
COVID has scuppered any chance of that for a hell of a lot longer than 18mths. The world economy won't recover anytime soon never mind the UK.

Could you at least give me the post number where I can read your ideal yes position to save me searching for it?

***Moulin Yarns*** · 29-08-2021 04:45 PM

I saw something today that suggested that there are more tory yes supporters than Scottish tory members. 😂😂😂

***greenlex*** · 31-08-2021 11:25 AM

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Total rubbish, there are a number of people who voted YES last time around but would have more sense to vote for it now. I would vote YES if and when the terms were right, I and many like me are of the opinion the time is not right, and furthermore as it turns out had we won the last referendum we would have been up chit creek without a paddle.

So it’s not rubbish., if you voted yes seven years ago (yes seven) and wouldnt vote yes now then you are now for the status quo and a unionist. It’s not hard. Up the creek you say. I reckon it’s a matter of how. far. We wouldn’t be as far as we are now with Brexit and we certainly wouldn’t be motoring further up it telling everyone that everything is or will be nice and rosey.

***Kato*** · 31-08-2021 11:27 AM

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So it’s not rubbish., if you voted yes seven years ago (yes seven) and wouldnt vote yes now then you are now for the status quo and a unionist. It’s not hard.

Watch out mate, the Label Police will be along soon.

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**WeeRussell** · 31-08-2021 11:34 AM

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I've explained my position over and over and all you get are snidey remarks from the cut and pastey man and his chums,so I'll leave it at that.

What I will say is that the UK would have to be in a strong position financially for me to consider it, and
COVID has scuppered any chance of that for a hell of a lot longer than 18mths. The world economy won't recover anytime soon never mind the UK.

Shock

**WeeRussell** · 31-08-2021 11:37 AM

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Total rubbish, there are a number of people who voted YES last time around but would have more sense to vote for it now. I would vote YES if and when the terms were right, I and many like me are of the opinion the time is not right, and furthermore as it turns out had we won the last referendum we would have been up chit creek without a paddle.

Therefore this number of more sensible (in your opinion) people would now be unionists

Hang on a second.. in the final part of your statement, are you saying that you voted YES in the last referendum?!

***Ozyhibby*** · 01-09-2021 07:53 PM

https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/...157942785?s=21

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**Glory Lurker** · 01-09-2021 08:13 PM

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https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/...157942785?s=21

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I can't see London running dirty tricks to try to avoid this scenario arising, oh no.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 02-09-2021 07:24 AM

Happy Independence Day Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 on this day in 1962, 59 years ago, they gained independence from the British empire and to date haven’t asked to rejoin.

***JimBHibees*** · 02-09-2021 10:42 AM

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Happy Independence Day Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 on this day in 1962, 59 years ago, they gained independence from the British empire and to date haven’t asked to rejoin.

How much oil do they have though? Bound to be loads

***Moulin Yarns*** · 02-09-2021 11:09 AM

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How much oil do they have though? Bound to be loads

Actually....

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/trinidad-and-tobago-oil/#:~:text=Trinidad%20and%20Tobago%20Oil,-Summary%20Table&text=Trinidad%20and%20Tobago%20hol ds%20728%2C300%2C000,35.0%20times%20its%20annual%2 0consumption.

About one tenth of uk production.

***Radium*** · 02-09-2021 06:57 PM

… can we change the thread title, apparently it is partition not independence

https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/14...562507783?s=21

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