Coronavirus

[lord bunberry]

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I guess Lord Bunberry will be selling his tickets now 😉

I wasn’t going anyway, but I’m definitely not going now.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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I came across this attitude at the Lloyd's bar (wetherspoons) in the Omni Centre, no trainers allowed!!

They just mustn't have liked the look of you. 😉

I've never witnessed that rule being enforced in there and I've been known to venture in once or twice.

[SideBurns]

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About 1.30 until just after half 2 so we probably crossed over.

I enjoyed it, the rules didn't feel too restrictive. It's just I'm so used to that pub being absolutely rammed with a crowds all around the bar and in the middle of the floor, everyone seated at tables made it still feel a bit less normal.

I know, I felt that way the first time I was in the Guildford last year but I've used it fairly regularly in the last few months so it actually seemed more normal to me yesterday!

[Sir David Gray]

NHS Lothian has halted non-urgent elective operations amid staff shortages and rising patient demand.

The health board has also postponed non-urgent outpatient appointments.

The move comes two days after NHS Borders cancelled all scheduled routine operations until the end of next week due to pressure on services.

NHS Lothian said increased levels of staff sickness, combined with holidays and those having to self isolate, led to a “significant reduction” in nurses and midwives in the previous two months.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...mand-staffing/

[Sir David Gray]

Daily Scottish update;

1,542 new cases since yesterday - 6.6% positivity rate
Decrease of 3 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
Decrease of 1 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
4,044,950 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 5,724 people since yesterday
3,412,051 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 18,151 people since yesterday
8 deaths registered since yesterday

[hibee]

https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/...202548224?s=21

The end of a school board meeting in Franklin, parents threatening the medical experts because they dared to suggest masks in schools was a good idea.

[Pretty Boy]

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https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/...202548224?s=21

The end of a school board meeting in Franklin, parents threatening the medical experts because they dared to suggest masks in schools was a good idea.

I know this involves children so my reply isn't totally relevant.

However I'm reaching a point where I think we have to stop inconveniencing a majority to protect a minority. This isn't comparable to when we locked down everyone to protect vulnerable groups, there was good reason for that as we all played our part in seeding and spreading the virus (or not doing so if we followed the rules)

We are now approaching a point in the UK and much of the developed world at which everyone who wants a significant level of protection against serious illness has it. As and when booster vaccines become available then those who rolled up their sleeve first time around will do so again and early data, linked in a post earlier in the thread, suggests that could be a gamechanger in terms of transmission. If people choose not to accept that protection then fine. They will get ill (there's no maybe about it) and some will die. Let the rest of us continue on a path back to normality, inconvenience those who won't do the selfless thing by banning them from certain arenas and focus our efforts on vaccinating the world and those in developing nations who want protection but can't access it yet.

If some ignorant ******** chooses to listen to an equally ignorant twat on YouTube over mountains of peer reviewed science then let them deal with the consequences. Be that exclusion from things they want to do or illness. I'm beyond pandering to mobs like those filmed above now.

[calumhibee1]

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I know this involves children so my reply isn't totally relevant.

However I'm reaching a point where I think we have to stop inconveniencing a majority to protect a minority. This isn't comparable to when we locked down everyone to protect vulnerable groups, there was good reason for that as we all played our part in seeding and spreading the virus (or not doing so if we followed the rules)

We are now approaching a point in the UK and much of the developed world at which everyone who wants a significant level of protection against serious illness has it. As and when booster vaccines become available then those who rolled up their sleeve first time around will do so again and early data, linked in a post earlier in the thread, suggests that could be a gamechanger in terms of transmission. If people choose not to accept that protection then fine. They will get ill (there's no maybe about it) and some will die. Let the rest of us continue on a path back to normality, inconvenience those who won't do the selfless thing by banning them from certain arenas and focus our efforts on vaccinating the world and those in developing nations who want protection but can't access it yet.

If some ignorant ******** chooses to listen to an equally ignorant twat on YouTube over mountains of peer reviewed science then let them deal with the consequences. Be that exclusion from things they want to do or illness. I'm beyond pandering to mobs like those filmed above now.

Agree with every single word of this.

I hope we bring in vaccine passports for near enough everything. Pubs, restaurants, large events, travel. Make it virtually impossible for unvaccinated people to enjoy life if they’re not going to take the vaccine, by far the most effective weapon we have against this virus.

I’ve seen numerous people sharing a post on my Instagram from Josh Taylor comparing masks to a fart getting out of your arse cheeks. And these people actually allow posts like this to help them decide whether they want to get vaccinated etc.

You want to decide not to get vaccinated because someone who gets punched in the head for a living says so rather than listen to the thousands of scientists who say to do it? Crack on. But **** off and don’t leave your house because you can’t get in anywhere in that case.

[Sir David Gray]

32,700 cases and 100 deaths registered in the UK today.

[hibee]

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I know this involves children so my reply isn't totally relevant.

However I'm reaching a point where I think we have to stop inconveniencing a majority to protect a minority. This isn't comparable to when we locked down everyone to protect vulnerable groups, there was good reason for that as we all played our part in seeding and spreading the virus (or not doing so if we followed the rules)

We are now approaching a point in the UK and much of the developed world at which everyone who wants a significant level of protection against serious illness has it. As and when booster vaccines become available then those who rolled up their sleeve first time around will do so again and early data, linked in a post earlier in the thread, suggests that could be a gamechanger in terms of transmission. If people choose not to accept that protection then fine. They will get ill (there's no maybe about it) and some will die. Let the rest of us continue on a path back to normality, inconvenience those who won't do the selfless thing by banning them from certain arenas and focus our efforts on vaccinating the world and those in developing nations who want protection but can't access it yet.

If some ignorant ******** chooses to listen to an equally ignorant twat on YouTube over mountains of peer reviewed science then let them deal with the consequences. Be that exclusion from things they want to do or illness. I'm beyond pandering to mobs like those filmed above now.

I agree with all of that, the people choosing not to be vaccinated should be the ones being restricted now.

Even my 17 yr old son who didn’t really think he needed it has thought about the wider issues this week so went off to a drop in centre and got vaccinated today while I was working.

[Glory Lurker]

I agree that folk who've positively chosen not to take the vaccine should be left to show the courage of their convictions, but what about those who can't take the vaccine?

[calumhibee1]

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I agree that folk who've positively chosen not to take the vaccine should be left to show the courage of their convictions, but what about those who can't take the vaccine?

That’s a different story and I’d suggest there would need to be some sort of exemption for them.

People who genuinely can’t take it are few and far between so chances are you’d rarely if ever encounter someone in that situation.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...mpression=true

More and more people saying we shouldn't be giving booster jags in the west when most of the world don't have 1 dose. 2 doses makes covid less harmful to death than the flu. Jcvi think its unethical, government aren't budging

Hugo Gye
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Sajid Javid and other ministers are very much expecting that booster doses will be administered to 30m+ people over the autumn and are working on putting the infrastructure in place.

Looking like an increasingly public clash between ministers and their advisers is on the way...

[CropleyWasGod]

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https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...mpression=true

More and more people saying we shouldn't be giving booster jags in the west when most of the world don't have 1 dose. 2 doses makes covid less harmful to death than the flu. Jcvi think its unethical, government aren't budging

Hugo Gye
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Sajid Javid and other ministers are very much expecting that booster doses will be administered to 30m+ people over the autumn and are working on putting the infrastructure in place.

Looking like an increasingly public clash between ministers and their advisers is on the way...

Have to say I agree with the opinion in that piece. But we shouldn't be surprised; the Government has already made clear its attitude to foreign aid of any sort.

[Glory Lurker]

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That’s a different story and I’d suggest there would need to be some sort of exemption for them.

Yes, agreed. The problem we've got is that neither Holyrood or Westminster seem to have the stomach for vaccine passports, let alone special dispensation for the "can't" population. Instead they are marginalised by what's effectively a play to the lowest common denominator.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I agree that folk who've positively chosen not to take the vaccine should be left to show the courage of their convictions, but what about those who can't take the vaccine?

That's one of the reason's we all need to take the vaccine, to offer those who can't some herd immunity. Those who have decided not to get vaccinated have for whatever reason intentionally decided that their wants/needs come ahead of the herd's, fine, then let them no longer be part of the herd.

[Glory Lurker]

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https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...mpression=true

More and more people saying we shouldn't be giving booster jags in the west when most of the world don't have 1 dose. 2 doses makes covid less harmful to death than the flu. Jcvi think its unethical, government aren't budging

Hugo Gye
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Sajid Javid and other ministers are very much expecting that booster doses will be administered to 30m+ people over the autumn and are working on putting the infrastructure in place.

Looking like an increasingly public clash between ministers and their advisers is on the way...

Ah, capitalists. Love the global economy, clueless about global consequences.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Yes, agreed. The problem we've got is that neither Holyrood or Westminster seem to have the stomach for vaccine passports, let alone special dispensation for the "can't" population. Instead they are marginalised by what's effectively a play to the lowest common denominator.

I suspect they see it as a rehearsal/rehash of the debate on Identity Cards, which is fraught with difficulties as well as emotive stances. They may both be waiting to see how things play out elsewhere.

[Glory Lurker]

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I suspect they see it as a rehearsal/rehash of the debate on Identity Cards, which is fraught with difficulties as well as emotive stances. They may both be waiting to see how things play out elsewhere.

I started this reply by typing that the anti-ID arguments were in "peacetime" but have to be swept aside in the crisis we're dealing with. I suspect you'll be pleased to know that reading it stopped me on my tracks - the very last time you want a participation programme to be set up is when there's a crisis!

However, I would like to hear more noise from Holyrood about it. Stupidly, or not, I trust them not to set up an abusive system. Are aspects of it reserved? Not that that would justify it as we all know Nicola loves a wee wander into the Forbidden Land (with my full support, natch! :-)). Where is she? Why not?

[calumhibee1]

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That's one of the reason's we all need to take the vaccine, to offer those who can't some herd immunity. Those who have decided not to get vaccinated have for whatever reason intentionally decided that their wants/needs come ahead of the herd's, fine, then let them no longer be part of the herd.

[Sir David Gray]

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 190
North Lanarkshire - 134
Edinburgh - 123
South Lanarkshire - 111
Fife - 104
North Ayrshire - 67
Dumfries and Galloway - 66
West Lothian - 65
Highland - 56
Falkirk - 48
East Ayrshire - 46
Aberdeen - 44
Renfrewshire - 43
East Dunbartonshire - 40
Dundee - 39
Argyll and Bute - 39
Aberdeenshire - 35
East Renfrewshire - 33
East Lothian - 33
Perth and Kinross - 31
Stirling - 28
Midlothian - 24
South Ayrshire - 21
Clackmannanshire - 21
West Dunbartonshire - 20
Scottish Borders - 20
Inverclyde - 17
Angus - 16
Moray - 12
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 9
Orkney - 3

[Sir David Gray]

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,170,968 (90% of adult population)

Wales - 2,309,415 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,577,515 (89.9% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,039,226 (89.8% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,244,812 (85.8% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,013,470 (76.4% of adult population)

Wales - 2,127,921 (85.1% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,104,905 (76.2% of adult population)
England - 33,386,744 (75.9% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,393,900 (75.4% of adult population)

Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,215,352 (90.1% of adult population)

Wales - 2,310,898 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,612,597 (90% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,044,950 (89.9% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,246,907 (86% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,206,029 (76.7% of adult population)

Wales - 2,132,116 (85.3% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,109,693 (76.5% of adult population)
England - 33,552,169 (76.3% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,412,051 (75.8% of adult population)

[Sir David Gray]

Four Scottish health boards have now halted non-urgent procedures amid rising pressure on the NHS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58204236

[Stairway 2 7]

80,000 in the US now in hospital with covid, that number is doubling every 13 days. It should be their biggest hospital wave in around 10 days. Also of note 81% of cases are in trump states.

Although uptake is better than alot of countries, older groups and those with morbidities are much lower uptake than most in the west. So whilst our big spike in cases last month meant little hospitalisations, we had almost 100% uptake in over 60s.

Most states are fairly open even with huge cases sadly too. Stories like this is even more depressing when they have plenty vaccines

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1900318.html

Florida mother dies from Covid-19 days after giving birth

[Sir David Gray]

The cost of NHS coronavirus tests for international arrivals to the UK have been reduced, the government has said.

Test and Trace tests have been cut from £88 to £68 for people arriving from green-listed countries and for those coming from amber-listed countries who are fully vaccinated.

Meanwhile, the price of two tests for amber arrivals who have not had both jabs has been cut from £170 to £136.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58206517

[Stairway 2 7]

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The cost of NHS coronavirus tests for international arrivals to the UK have been reduced, the government has said.

Test and Trace tests have been cut from £88 to £68 for people arriving from green-listed countries and for those coming from amber-listed countries who are fully vaccinated.

Meanwhile, the price of two tests for amber arrivals who have not had both jabs has been cut from £170 to £136.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58206517

Is that not England

[goosano]

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,215,352 (90.1% of adult population)

Wales - 2,310,898 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,612,597 (90% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,044,950 (89.9% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,246,907 (86% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,206,029 (76.7% of adult population)

Wales - 2,132,116 (85.3% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,109,693 (76.5% of adult population)
England - 33,552,169 (76.3% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,412,051 (75.8% of adult population)

The problem with updating these figures now is that they include many youngsters who are not adults. Working in the vaccination centre about half of those attending are 16 or 17 with a few younger vulnerable children. The number of first vaccines had been steady at about 2,000 a day but has gone up in the last few days to about 5,000 and is due to this age group being vaccinated.

[goosano]

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80,000 in the US now in hospital with covid, that number is doubling every 13 days. It should be their biggest hospital wave in around 10 days. Also of note 81% of cases are in trump states.

Although uptake is better than alot of countries, older groups and those with morbidities are much lower uptake than most in the west. So whilst our big spike in cases last month meant little hospitalisations, we had almost 100% uptake in over 60s. but c

Most states are fairly open even with huge cases sadly too. Stories like this is even more depressing when they have plenty vaccines

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1900318.html

Florida mother dies from Covid-19 days after giving birth

It is hard to work out what is going on in the USA. They have about 128,000 cases per day at present and although they are increasing the doubling time is slowing and is about 17 days. 128,000 cases sounds a lot but with 5 times the population of the UK they have less cases per head than year. I guess the main difference is that the cases are concentrated in a handful of states and almost 25% of the most vulnerable population is not vaccinated.

[Sir David Gray]

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Is that not England

No Scotland (and presumably the rest of the UK) too.

When I replied to Calum's post yesterday about requirements for travelling to Spain, I linked to a page on the Scottish Government website which said the test you had to do on your return from an amber country cost £88.

That same page now says the cost is £68.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/co...ist-countries/

[Sir David Gray]

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The problem with updating these figures now is that they include many youngsters who are not adults. Working in the vaccination centre about half of those attending are 16 or 17 with a few younger vulnerable children. The number of first vaccines had been steady at about 2,000 a day but has gone up in the last few days to about 5,000 and is due to this age group being vaccinated.

Yeah I know, sadly I've nothing to refer to though as both the PHS dashboard and UK Government websites still continue to quote the uptake percentages for those aged 18+ only so I have no other figures to refer to.