Tories are still lying *******s

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He's apologised. A slightly ill judged turn of phrase perhaps but not intended to offend and hardly the outrage of the century.

Nonsense thought out but faced huge abuse so he cowered back

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He's apologised. A slightly ill judged turn of phrase perhaps but not intended to offend and hardly the outrage of the century.

I find his use of grammar extremely offensive.

[Smartie]

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He's apologised. A slightly ill judged turn of phrase perhaps but not intended to offend and hardly the outrage of the century.

Do you not think that our government should have their finger on the pulse of public mood slightly better, and instead of having to backtrack all the time just use appropriate words and actions first time a little bit more often?

It just seems to me that they can't get even the most basic of things right.

Those in positions of responsibility need to choose words carefully.

[Northernhibee]

R&W has Tory lead down to four, Survation to two.

[Stairway 2 7]

Notice boris and priti are trying to push chain gangs and hard labour for criminals. Great reply on the subject from ceo of timpsons John timpson

CEO of Timpsons on PM crime comments

“Instead of making offenders wear high viz jackets in chain gangs, how about helping them get a real job instead? In my shops we employ ex offenders and they wear a shirt and tie. Same people, different approach, much better outcome

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Notice boris and priti are trying to push chain gangs and hard labour for criminals. Great reply on the subject from ceo of timpsons John timpson

CEO of Timpsons on PM crime comments

“Instead of making offenders wear high viz jackets in chain gangs, how about helping them get a real job instead? In my shops we employ ex offenders and they wear a shirt and tie. Same people, different approach, much better outcome

That's a valid comment if (a) the criminals weren't employed at the time of their offending and (b) their lack of employment contributed to their offending.

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That's a valid comment if (a) the criminals weren't employed at the time of their offending and (b) their lack of employment contributed to their offending.

If a. is humiliation going to help them be a better employee person, b. that is the whole point get spend on job/rehabilitation programs, not dehumanising

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If a. is humiliation going to help them be a better employee person, b. that is the whole point get spend on job/rehabilitation programs, not dehumanising

I don't think it's dehumanising to wear a hi-vis and pick up litter. Whether it's humiliating is subjective but, if it's part of a punishment/deterrent, it's obviously advantageous for it to be so.

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I don't think it's dehumanising to wear a hi-vis and pick up litter. Whether it's humiliating is subjective but, if it's part of a punishment/deterrent, it's obviously advantageous for it to be so.

Boris Johnson: "If you're guilt of antisocial behaviour and you're sentenced to unpaid work, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be out there in one of those fluorescent-jacketed chain gangs visibly paying your debt to society

Your in good company. Mps from both sides of the bench and thousands of other normal people have been showing their disgust.

It's populist nonsense designed to please the masses. Back to the old days, non-evidence based conservatism. Every other country bar America and a few other authoritarian states have realised. Building up and rehabilitating drops crime better and lowers reoffending. But education programs or more police officers cost real money

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Boris Johnson: "If you're guilt of antisocial behaviour and you're sentenced to unpaid work, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be out there in one of those fluorescent-jacketed chain gangs visibly paying your debt to society

Your in good company. Mps from both sides of the bench and thousands of other normal people have been showing their disgust.

It's populist nonsense designed to please the masses. Back to the old days, non-evidence based conservatism. Every other country bar America and a few other authoritarian states have realised. Building up and rehabilitating drops crime better and lowers reoffending. But education programs or more police officers cost real money

You could throw any amount of money at it and you're career criminals will still offend.

Nothing wrong with getting them out there and helping society instead of wrecking it. Come to think of it there's nothing wrong with pleasing the masses either, isn't that what a government is for?

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Boris Johnson: "If you're guilt of antisocial behaviour and you're sentenced to unpaid work, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be out there in one of those fluorescent-jacketed chain gangs visibly paying your debt to society

Your in good company. Mps from both sides of the bench and thousands of other normal people have been showing their disgust.

It's populist nonsense designed to please the masses. Back to the old days, non-evidence based conservatism. Every other country bar America and a few other authoritarian states have realised. Building up and rehabilitating drops crime better and lowers reoffending. But education programs or more police officers cost real money

I'm all for rehabilitation, but not in isolation.

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You could throw any amount of money at it and you're career criminals will still offend.

Nothing wrong with getting them out there and helping society instead of wrecking it. Come to think of it there's nothing wrong with pleasing the masses either, isn't that what a government is for?

Not really or the majority of ********s would bring back hanging, hitting children and choosing brexit, even though anyone with a couple of decent braincells would know it will be an economic disaster for the uk

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Not really or the majority of ********s would bring back hanging, hitting children and choosing brexit, even though anyone with a couple of decent braincells would know it will be an economic disaster for the uk

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You could throw any amount of money at it and you're career criminals will still offend.

Nothing wrong with getting them out there and helping society instead of wrecking it. Come to think of it there's nothing wrong with pleasing the masses either, isn't that what a government is for?

Prisoners already work. This is about public shaming.

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True but. Populism doesn't mean correct

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Prisoners already work. This is about public shaming.

No they don't, and no it's not. Community service is a great alternative to lesser crime but serial offenders in prison should be doing more to pay back society imo.

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Hopefully the chain gangs will be rolled out to the upper echelons too. Fraud, tax evaders, politicians who give contracts to friends or to pay lavish decorations in ill-gotten gains
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Hopefully the chain gangs will be rolled out to the upper echelons too. Fraud, tax evaders, politicians who give contracts to friends or to pay lavish decorations in ill-gotten gains
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I'd definitely be in favour of this.

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Hopefully the chain gangs will be rolled out to the upper echelons too. Fraud, tax evaders, politicians who give contracts to friends or to pay lavish decorations in ill-gotten gains
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They'll be the ones who own the companies the prisoners will be working for.

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Next week Patel will be promising to bring back hanging and witch burnings.

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Next week Patel will be promising to bring back hanging and witch burnings.

Not sure I can't see her bringing in a self harming policy like that

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You could throw any amount of money at it and you're career criminals will still offend.

Nothing wrong with getting them out there and helping society instead of wrecking it. Come to think of it there's nothing wrong with pleasing the masses either, isn't that what a government is for?

The example here is about anti social behaviour though. Not really a group of offences commonly associated with career criminals.

Why are the right always desperate to humiliate the young, poor etc. Why are punishments like this not being doled out to speeders, tax dodgers etc?

[Ozyhibby]

Prisoners should be allowed to apply for real jobs in the real economy. They can repay their debt to society by paying tax on their wages. As soon as possible they should be on an electronic tag as well. It’s still a restriction of their Liberty but is not as destructive as prison.
Prison itself should only really be used for the most violent and repeat offenders. Electronic tag should be used for the vast majority of offenders.


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No they don't, and no it's not. Community service is a great alternative to lesser crime but serial offenders in prison should be doing more to pay back society imo.

Yes they are!


Prisoners from Castle Huntly, outside Dundee, are often 'employed by Perth and Kinross council for gardening work.

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Weird and gimmicky’: police chiefs condemn Boris Johnson’s crime plan

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Yes they are!


Prisoners from Castle Huntly, outside Dundee, are often 'employed by Perth and Kinross council for gardening work.

When we had an allotment elderly gardeners could request for help from those being rehabilitated. It’s a great scheme.

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Can’t be long before a Tory donor wins the contract to operate these chain gangs. This slave labour will then be put to graft on lucrative contracts earning millions of pounds. That won’t be enough though. They will lobby for more slave labourers to be recruited, so there will need to be more people sent to jail and for longer sentences. It’s a model that has worked for America.


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Can’t be long before a Tory donor wins the contract to operate these chain gangs. This slave labour will then be put to graft on lucrative contracts earning millions of pounds. That won’t be enough though. They will lobby for more slave labourers to be recruited, so there will need to be more people sent to jail and for longer sentences. It’s a model that has worked for America.


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i'm thinking of the Warden in Shawshank

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Can’t be long before a Tory donor wins the contract to operate these chain gangs. This slave labour will then be put to graft on lucrative contracts earning millions of pounds. That won’t be enough though. They will lobby for more slave labourers to be recruited, so there will need to be more people sent to jail and for longer sentences. It’s a model that has worked for America.


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“Be sure to thankMaisie for this fine pie”

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Yes they are!


Prisoners from Castle Huntly, outside Dundee, are often 'employed by Perth and Kinross council for gardening work.

It is not compulsory to work in prison and the majority don't