Euro 2021 non-Scotland games

[hibee316]

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Saw a video of Italian fans getting a kicking inside Wembley on the concourse. One of them is on the deck screaming and 4/5 guys just continue to volley into him.

*The guys being attacked are speaking Italian and some wearing Italy shirts.

Is thus the video I linked to or is there another one?

[One Day Soon]

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It's no coincidence either that the source of 95%+ of our sectarianism problem comes from a club imbued with the same Imperial-nostalgia-triumphalism fetish that runs right through the nasty section of the England support. In fact, it's really not stretching things to say that they are just 2 slightly different manifestations of the same thing.

If you think the sectarianism doesn't run deep on the other side of the Ugly Sisters I'm afraid we will have to differ. They put a different face on it but its there.

[One Day Soon]

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It’s not exactly news that the England national support is a rallying point for far right sentiment and folk that want a scrap, we’ve known that since the 70s and 80s, through Heysel, the European ban, the Dublin riot, it’s never actually gone away despite changes to the grounds themselves. Sectarianism in Scottish football is more a reality simmering under the surface of the game, it’s completely different in how it manifests itself, it’s not causing anywhere near the levels of street violence that follows the England team around, I’m not even sure why it’s even brought into the conversation.

No, none of that is news. My point is that football has had a pass for a very long time in tolerating - even encouraging - some of the most extreme and objectionable views and behaviours in society and not just in one country.

I find it difficult to experience the revulsion over the grotesque racism we are seeing played out in relation to Rashford and the others without reflecting on our own institutionalised problem. That sectarian cancer is, quite apart from anything else, why we have two clubs which routinely dominate our game. All the others have a defined geographical strength, these two alone attract support from all across Scotland and its not because people like the strip colours. It has literally shaped our game.

England's problem is different and no less abhorrent. But for the first time the courage of Southgate as manager - and people like Lineker in very prominent public positions - in calling it out and articulating a different view of what the England team should be about has given a voice to that part of the England support which I think is in the majority but which has somehow previously not been regarded as 'real football fans'. I think all this has put the racist **** on the back foot and that though it will be a long slow journey the momentum here is going to be in one direction. The multi-racial multi-cultural England team with the confidence to say so is a genie that's not going back in the bottle or afraid any longer to speak its own name.

[Joe6-2]

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Turned on the news this morning and of course expected to hear a bit of reaction to the Italian victory.
But it has been wall to wall coverage and appears to be a desperate attempt to salvage the whole thing as a glorious English achievement against a cheating, hatchet wielding, bunch of Italians.
You would think there was nothing else happening in the world???

Just so so grateful they didn’t win

[Hibernia&Alba]

Italy were the better team and deserved to win, IMHO. England had an excellent tournament and can be proud of themselves. I still think Southgate got it wrong to send Saka up for the last penalty. Not fair on the laddie.

[Liberal Hibby]

Interesting reading material for the Italian team on the plane home: https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/st...042728964?s=20

[Kato]

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No, none of that is news. My point is that football has had a pass for a very long time in tolerating - even encouraging - some of the most extreme and objectionable views and behaviours in society and not just in one country.

I find it difficult to experience the revulsion over the grotesque racism we are seeing played out in relation to Rashford and the others without reflecting on our own institutionalised problem. That sectarian cancer is, quite apart from anything else, why we have two clubs which routinely dominate our game. All the others have a defined geographical strength, these two alone attract support from all across Scotland and its not because people like the strip colours. It has literally shaped our game.

England's problem is different and no less abhorrent. But for the first time the courage of Southgate as manager - and people like Lineker in very prominent public positions - in calling it out and articulating a different view of what the England team should be about has given a voice to that part of the England support which I think is in the majority but which has somehow previously not been regarded as 'real football fans'. I think all this has put the racist **** on the back foot and that though it will be a long slow journey the momentum here is going to be in one direction. The multi-racial multi-cultural England team with the confidence to say so is a genie that's not going back in the bottle or afraid any longer to speak its own name.

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[DH1875]

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Is thus the video I linked to or is there another one?

I don't know, can't get your video to play for some reason. Don't think so though as wasn't a big clown at the start of one I seen.

[superfurryhibby]

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What video did you see?

I just watched one and someone suggested this was people kicking and punching folk who were breaking into the stadium. When you look closer a lot of the folk running through the door are wearing England tops.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RIWills/s...80837169205250

For instance, the guy on the floor is immediately led back out.

It was a series of videos on a facebook post. It showed Italian fans having the **** kicked out of them as they left the stadium, not a police officer in sight (that included the nice one of a grown man swiping at a young teenager), then there were various clips of fans forcing their way in to the stadium. One had italian fans penned in an area with England fans trying to get in and the other with England fans fighting as stewards tried to stop them. In all of them the Police were not visible. I stopped after that, but there were others.

[One Day Soon]

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Italy were the better team and deserved to win, IMHO. England had an excellent tournament and can be proud of themselves. I still think Southgate got it wrong to send Saka up for the last penalty. Not fair on the laddie.

Strongly agree about Saka in particular. I also think Southgate, while differing from previous England managers in so many respects, fell into their age old trap. Just way, way too cautious minded. I couldn't believe he started with Trippier.

[hibee316]

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It was a series of videos on a facebook post. It showed Italian fans having the **** kicked out of them as they left the stadium, not a police officer in sight (that included the nice one of a grown man swiping at a young teenager), then there were various clips of fans forcing their way in to the stadium. One had italian fans penned in an area with England fans trying to get in and the other with England fans fighting as stewards tried to stop them. In all of them the Police were not visible. I stopped after that, but there were others.

The one I've linked is the only one I've found.

Same one here;
https://mobile.twitter.com/Am_DeJa_Vu
Look at the pinned tweet.

Do you have a link to the other one?

[JimBHibees]

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Strongly agree about Saka in particular. I also think Southgate, while differing from previous England managers in so many respects, fell into their age old trap. Just way, way too cautious minded. I couldn't believe he started with Trippier.

Found it incredible the gamble to bring in the two penalty takers so late. Also make England very susceptible to the late corner with Henderson and Walker off he would have been crucified if Italy scored from that.

Also seen a lot of English comment around him playing it very similar to the Croatia semi final, score early and sit on it.

[CloudSquall]

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The one I've linked is the only one I've found.

Same one here;
https://mobile.twitter.com/Am_DeJa_Vu
Look at the pinned tweet.

Do you have a link to the other one?

That's ticketed English fans vs non-ticketed English fans, when they lack opposing fans to fight they immediately turn on themselves

[mcohibs]

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The one I've linked is the only one I've found.

Same one here;
https://mobile.twitter.com/Am_DeJa_Vu
Look at the pinned tweet.

Do you have a link to the other one?

England fans versus England fans there. I haven't seen any real footage of England fans attacking Italian fans.

Not saying it didn't happen, just that any videos claiming to show it have all shown the ticketless idiots breaking into the ground and getting set about by their own fans (idiots in equal measure).

[JohnMcM]

England penalty takers training video.

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewgpo...48074848329731

[JeMeSouviens]

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If you think the sectarianism doesn't run deep on the other side of the Ugly Sisters I'm afraid we will have to differ. They put a different face on it but its there.

There's a nuanced discussion to be had there, for sure.

Some of the Celtc freedom fighting pro-IRA stuff is deep cringe but there isn't a history of systemic anti-Protestant discrimination by Catholics over centuries like there is vice versa. The Huns not only do anti-Catholic stuff btw, they are happy to throw in other forms of racism when given the chance, and they share large sections of the England far-right songbook. German bombers, Dambusters etc. Plus they have the same perma-raging mentality. Britannia just doesn't rule much nowadays, it gets to them.

[Pretty Boy]

I've no idea how sizeable a minority of a England fans are racists, xenophobes, homophobes, general ********s. It's a shame, whilst being entirely correct, that their behaviour and the condemnation of it is dominating the discussion today.

I watched the game with a mixed group of Scots and English and whilst there was a bit of banter it was all good natured and no one present had any superiority complex nor felt the need to swing punches or make racist remarks. Throughout the day I saw loads of footage of families having a great day enjoying the occasion and the atmosphere. There were people from a broad spectrum of backgrounds involved in that. Equally throughout the tournament the attempts to boo the taking of the knee were largely drowned out by applause or other showing of support.

I don't know how you deal with that toxic element that feels empowered by the rhetoric from large sections of the press and government these days. Ultimately any blanket sanctions are going to hurt hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of decent, law abiding and respectful England fans. The perpetrators of racism towards their own probably won't care, they'll vent the anger and frustration at their own sad lives in another way.

It's shame that what was an outstanding tournament in so many ways on and off the park has been sullied by the behaviour of selfish morons. London is such a great city for hosting events like this and Wembley is a stage that players want to play on. It's sad and infuriating that some people seem determined to spoil that.

[Since452]

Grealish was a big disappointment in this tournament for me. Not all his doing but the crowd and commentators went bananas every time he was getting ready to come on and he did the square root of **** all when he did. Looked cool with his socks rolled down though...

[Since452]

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Found it incredible the gamble to bring in the two penalty takers so late. Also make England very susceptible to the late corner with Henderson and Walker off he would have been crucified if Italy scored from that.

Also seen a lot of English comment around him playing it very similar to the Croatia semi final, score early and sit on it.

Personally wouldn't have made the changes but fine margin and all that. If they'd won the lottery of penalties then Southgate would probably be getting hailed as a hero and heading along to meet the queen for a knighthood.

[calumhibee1]

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Grealish was a big disappointment in this tournament for me. Not all his doing but the crowd and commentators went bananas every time he was getting ready to come on and he did the square root of **** all when he did. Looked cool with his socks rolled down though...

Agree. I can’t remember what game it was but he played a pass to Sterling who crossed it in for a goal. They were that desperate to big him up that they were declaring he’d assisted a goal within 5 mins or so of coming on etc.

I don’t get the hype with him at all. No doubting he’s a good player but nothing like the one he’s made out to be.

[Mikey_1875]

Think it’s a bit harsh on Grealish. 2 assists in less than two 90 minutes total game time isn’t bad going at all. Felt he could have been brought on a lot earlier in some games and was certainly more effective than most of his competitors in that role (Sterling and arguably Saka aside). He isn’t going to stand out as much in the England side as he does at Villa but I certainly think he is a top class player who makes things happen in games.

[Hibbyradge]

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Grealish was a big disappointment in this tournament for me. Not all his doing but the crowd and commentators went bananas every time he was getting ready to come on and he did the square root of **** all when he did. Looked cool with his socks rolled down though...

He made the pass for Kane's goal against Germany and was involved in the first. He was the spark that gave them the victory.

[Sir David Gray]

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This has killed the chances of a 2030 World Cup bid. Cheers guys.

Next year's hosts have a government with one of the worst human rights records and one of the most repressive legal systems in the world - I'm sure England will be OK as long as the goverment's prepared to pay FIFA enough.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/football...look-at-itself

Good article

[CapitalGreen]

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Grealish was a big disappointment in this tournament for me. Not all his doing but the crowd and commentators went bananas every time he was getting ready to come on and he did the square root of **** all when he did. Looked cool with his socks rolled down though...

I’m guessing you slept through the Germany game.

[mcohibs]

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Grealish was a big disappointment in this tournament for me. Not all his doing but the crowd and commentators went bananas every time he was getting ready to come on and he did the square root of **** all when he did. Looked cool with his socks rolled down though...

Literally changed the game when he came on against Germany

[jacomo]

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England were a decent well organized side built from the back. But that’s all they were. They will never have a better chance to win a tournament, home advantage, the kindest draw possible. They were quite impressive, I thought, against Croatia, Czech are and Ukraine, but average in the other games and outplayed in the final. Yes, Southgate seems a decent man and his players stand out by being virtue of real human beings rather than the in bred mutants their educational and political system has perversely thrown up to rule the country. But let’s take a little step backwards from all the hype. They just weren't that good and bottled it into the bargain.

Many English are consoling themselves with the notion of progress. Losing semi finalists in the last World Cup, losing finalists here… you get the logic.

But they have missed a golden opportunity for a trophy here. They might not get one like it again.

[Iggy Pope]

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I’m guessing you slept through the Germany game.

The manic hysteria that greets his arrival leads me to think perhaps everyone on earth did except the coaching staff that keep him stuck firmly on the bench. Every game.
He’s a bit of a poster boy isn’t he?

[Since452]

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Many English are consoling themselves with the notion of progress. Losing semi finalists in the last World Cup, losing finalists here… you get the logic.

But they have missed a golden opportunity for a trophy here. They might not get one like it again.

They are also consoling themselves that this has set them up nicely for Qatar. England won't be winning the world cup. It might take a few days to sink in but when it does they'll realise they've blown a chance of a lifetime to win something. A tournament played in their back garden against teams you'd expect them to beat nine times out of ten. They were the top ranked team in the final. If Scotland lost in the same circumstances I'd be inconsolable. You could easily argue that England failed.

[Hibrandenburg]

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The manic hysteria that greets his arrival leads me to think perhaps everyone on earth did except the coaching staff that keep him stuck firmly on the bench. Every game.
He’s a bit of a poster boy isn’t he?

He's ***** without SJM.