Euro 2021 non-Scotland games

[Scouse Hibee]

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Well done. Really like the Manager, comes across as such a decent bloke, I really liked Bobby Robson for the same reasons. I know there's been big crowds at other stadiums, but when the roar went up when Sterling scored I got a bit emotional, I think it was just seeing some normality that set me off. As soon as Scotland exit any comp in any sport, I always get behind the remaining home nations. Good luck in the quarters.[/QUOT I E]


I have to admit that not everyone I know feels this way but the majority of English folk I know do. Never mind social media bollocks what has the average Englishman or English footballer done to deserve the vitriol on here at times. I have lived in Edinburgh for 40 years and supported Hibs for that long (30 years a ST holder). How integrated I do I have to become before I stop having to defend myself for the exact same things you do yourselves.

I have lived here for thirty years too, pretty much got over the England thing on here years ago as I began to realise that some of the points raised are pretty valid. Each to their own but the tone of some of your responses is bound to provoke a similar response just as it would if you said it face to face. I love the banter on here regarding England and Scotland and pretty much never get myself wound up about it anymore though I admit I used to. I respect that I am posting on a Scottish football forum and if I post GIRUY Scotland which I rarely do these days then I fully understand and accept the response it will receive..

Now......who can still boogie 😁🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[JeMeSouviens]

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That's interesting feedback. I used to work with a bunch of lovely French colleagues who I kept in touch with for quite a number of years. When I went to visit them (in the south-west of France) I was struck by how, while football was popular, it wasn't the only sport folk cared about and, unlike the UK, other sports were high profile. Rugby was big and basketball was especially popular (big, passionate and family-friendly crowds at the games I went to). Tennis seemed to be played by a lot of people and I remember seeing a big fencing academy full of kids near where I stayed (over here both those sports probably carry more of a 'posh' tag). I wonder if that wider perspective on sport dilutes the mania/partisan commentary on football or does it depend which region you live in?

SW France is their rugby heartland, like the Borders here.

[weecounty hibby]

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I have lived here for thirty years too, pretty much got over the England thing on here years ago as I began to realise that some of the points raised are pretty valid. Each to their own but the tone of some of your responses is bound to provoke a similar response just as it would if you said it face to face. I love the banter on here regarding England and Scotland and pretty much never get myself wound up about it anymore though I admit I used to. I respect that I am posting on a Scottish football forum and if I post GIRUY Scotland which I rarely do these days then I fully understand and accept the response it will receive..

Now......who can still boogie 😁🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Good response. I'm sure you have encountered the absolute ******s who are in every country who will give it the "English *******" crap. I know my English colleagues have, but they do say it is very few and far between. 99.9% of it is football banter and you seem to get that. There are folk who need to realise that we can all disagree on stuff but still get on. I have Rangers supporting unionist colleagues/friends and that's pretty much the exact opposite of me but I still get on with them, there is much discussion and banter but we understand each others point of view and agree to disagree.
Hopefully we will be boogying sometime again before the end of the Euros. ✌

[Lago]

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Sorry Lago, I can’t agree because any slavering by us has been in anticipation not expectation. They already have the route laid out to and winning the final in the press.

Sorry John, not the way I remember it anticipation nope, expectation Yip, even now just thinking about the hype is embarrassing, but each to their own.

[ronaldo7]

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Imagine, for a second, you are a Danish person living in Denmark. And the Danish TV company which covers the Euros/WC decides not to have its own commentators/production, but instead decides to take the German coverage for all but the matches in which Denmark feature. (Let's ignore the language differences for illustrative purposes).

Sound ridiculous?

Now imagine they've been doing that for your whole life.

Nobody can honestly tell me that you wouldn't be pretty sick of that situation, and be more than happy when Germany exited the competition.

Like I said before, I have no problem with partisan coverage of football. It's the nature of the game. I'd just rather my only option wasn't what is 95% another country's coverage.

I don't think you'll get much argument regarding your post.

Spot on imo. It was always going to be wall to wall coverage on the news channels, but it's even spilled over to the morning programmes. No doubt loose women will do their bit for the cause. 😏

[Santa Cruz]

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I have lived here for thirty years too, pretty much got over the England thing on here years ago as I began to realise that some of the points raised are pretty valid. Each to their own but the tone of some of your responses is bound to provoke a similar response just as it would if you said it face to face. I love the banter on here regarding England and Scotland and pretty much never get myself wound up about it anymore though I admit I used to. I respect that I am posting on a Scottish football forum and if I post GIRUY Scotland which I rarely do these days then I fully understand and accept the response it will receive..

Now......who can still boogie 😁🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

I take the same view, each to their own. I'm not sure if I've came across badly I don't see any tone in my response. I was just acknowledging a good result and explaining I support home nation teams/competitors in every sport. Apologies if I've misunderstood your post.

[Bristolhibby]

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Yep, I understand what you're saying and as I said I respect your opinion. I just don't find that this particular issue bothers me much. I guess it also depends how strongly you perceive England as 'another country'. In my view, the Denmark/Germany comparison isn't really comparing like for like when it comes to Scotland and England. Yes, we have separate football teams but we're not two completely independent countries like Denmark and Germany are. You might disagree, but were Scotland the only UK team left in the competition I think any English commentators covering our games would be pretty full-on in their desire for Scotland to win. Different sport I know, but (while you might get the odd bampot spewing some anti-Scottish vitriol about him on social media) Andy Murray's rise to become not only Britain's greatest tennis player but one of the best in the world has been wholeheartedly embraced by largely English commentary teams.

If Scotland were the only U.K. team left, no danger would Gary Lineker or Rio Ferdinand be jumping around celebrating us scoring a goal v Germany. Simply won’t happen.

We’d be luck to even have two Scottish pundits to go with Gary. Likely have Roy Keane, Graham Souness and Juergen Klinsman.

That’s the point. It should be a Scottish lead production serving Scots in that situation.

J

[McSwanky]

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Yep, I understand what you're saying and as I said I respect your opinion. I just don't find that this particular issue bothers me much. I guess it also depends how strongly you perceive England as 'another country'. In my view, the Denmark/Germany comparison isn't really comparing like for like when it comes to Scotland and England. Yes, we have separate football teams but we're not two completely independent countries like Denmark and Germany are. You might disagree, but were Scotland the only UK team left in the competition I think any English commentators covering our games would be pretty full-on in their desire for Scotland to win. Different sport I know, but (while you might get the odd bampot spewing some anti-Scottish vitriol about him on social media) Andy Murray's rise to become not only Britain's greatest tennis player but one of the best in the world has been wholeheartedly embraced by largely English commentary teams.

Last points from me, as I've done this to death now!

1. In footballing terms, England are absolutely a different country to Scotland. Given the history, and the fact that we share a border, I'd suggest that it's even more marked than the Denmark/Germany analogy as there is already an established 'rivalry' there. Making the fact that we get 'English' (British) coverage even more bizarre.
2. I'm not quite following your Andy Murray logic. His is an individual sport first and foremost, he only plays for 'his country' in the Davis Cup and the Olympics, and that country is GB, not Scotland. Of course it's been embraced by the English commentary teams, as there is no distinction between England and Scotland in tennis.

...and I'm done!

[ancient hibee]

Been at some wonderful international matches such as the first time Scotland beat England at Hampden since before the war but started to lose interest when the team became more and more full of mediocre old firm players at the expense of players from other clubs and lost interest generally with international teams from most sports when they filled up with players who were only there because they couldn't get a game for the country they were born in.
Commentators have got worse and worse. Goodness knows what today's ones would have made of the non foul West Germany were given that led to their equaliser just before the end of normal time in 1966. Wolstenholme just carried on as normal(refs were always right in his commentaries). Once the co-commentator arrived I started to turn down the sound .Apart from the fact that they were usually talking over the action it's like having a couple of blethers sitting behind you at ER who won't shut up and watch the game.I seldom bother with the pundits but I think Graeme Souness is by far the best.

[Scouse Hibee]

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I take the same view, each to their own. I'm not sure if I've came across badly I don't see any tone in my response. I was just acknowledging a good result and explaining I support home nation teams/competitors in every sport. Apologies if I've misunderstood your post.

I was quoting cockney rebel mate, it appears to be mixed up.

[J-C]

So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?

[Scouse Hibee]

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So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?

Moan at what makes you happy 😁

[JXM73]

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So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?

Treat them same way as rangers, celtic and hearts.. for me that means indifference.. if you're overly stressed then maybe golf will do you good.

[Santa Cruz]

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I was quoting cockney rebel mate, it appears to be mixed up.

Aah thank god. Nae probs.

Yeah this is all totally mixed up, looks like I'm replying to my own posts now, lol.

[J-C]

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Treat them same way as rangers, celtic and hearts.. for me that means indifference.. if you're overly stressed then maybe golf will do you good.

Tongue firmly in cheek, I couldn't give a **** about all the nonsense and bickering on here, just enjoying the football.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Last points from me, as I've done this to death now!

1. In footballing terms, England are absolutely a different country to Scotland. Given the history, and the fact that we share a border, I'd suggest that it's even more marked than the Denmark/Germany analogy as there is already an established 'rivalry' there. Making the fact that we get 'English' (British) coverage even more bizarre.
2. I'm not quite following your Andy Murray logic. His is an individual sport first and foremost, he only plays for 'his country' in the Davis Cup and the Olympics, and that country is GB, not Scotland. Of course it's been embraced by the English commentary teams, as there is no distinction between England and Scotland in tennis.

...and I'm done!

You didn't see the BBC twitter when Andy Murray was playing!

He wins first 2 sets, it's all Britain's Andy Murray, loses the third set, and it was The Scot is struggling!!!!

[CockneyRebel]

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Tongue firmly in cheek, I couldn't give a **** about all the nonsense and bickering on here, just enjoying the football.

Wish I'd said that instead of ranting to no good purpose.

[SaulGoodman]

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Wish I'd said that instead of ranting to no good purpose.

How’s the head?

[One Day Soon]

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I think you’re right, that really didn’t happen.

What did happen was a thread about the wider tournament was hijacked by an England fan determined to start arguments with people, and who also seemed to be too incapacitated to understand what anyone else was saying or what he was saying himself. Which then moves on to talking about Braveheart and taking Gaelic language channels off the air, dear oh dear

If you think it didn't happen you really ought to sample this popular new medium they call social media at some point...

[One Day Soon]

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How’s the head?

If it's not very sore it certainly should be.

[One Day Soon]

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So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?

Chill out and enjoy the feast of football, I know I am. Hopefully Italy will win it but if they don't and it turns out to be England then at least their fans get to finally have the joy of laying the 1966 ghost to rest, regardless of the irritating pundits. As a serially underperforming football nation I can't help feeling their fans would be getting a fair bit of what we experienced in May 2016 and that would be some joy to witness. The downside for me would be how it would play into the whole Boris Johnson jingoistic mood but who gives a **** about him?

Or get wound up by it as a proxy for other non football matters. What ever floats your boat.

I think we can all agree that Rio Ferdinand, nice guy though he probably is, is truly mince as a talking head though? Actually I think Ally McCoist is a decent balance of insight and nonsense.

[heretoday]

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So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?

Mute the TV! I do that anyway nowadays or find a foreign commentary so I can't understand the nonsense they're spouting!

[JeMeSouviens]

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Chill out and enjoy the feast of football, I know I am. Hopefully Italy will win it but if they don't and it turns out to be England then at least their fans get to finally have the joy of laying the 1966 ghost to rest, regardless of the irritating pundits. As a serially underperforming football nation I can't help feeling their fans would be getting a fair bit of what we experienced in May 2016 and that would be some joy to witness. The downside for me would be how it would play into the whole Boris Johnson jingoistic mood but who gives a **** about him?

Or get wound up by it as a proxy for other non football matters. What ever floats your boat.

I think we can all agree that Rio Ferdinand, nice guy though he probably is, is truly mince as a talking head though? Actually I think Ally McCoist is a decent balance of insight and nonsense.

McCoist/Tyldesley has been the breakout partnership of the Euros. Pains me to say it, as my freely admitted anti-Hun bias is very, very considerably more ingrained then any subconscious anti-English bias I might have, but I actually feel happy when I realise they're covering the game.

[Glory Lurker]

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Chill out and enjoy the feast of football,

Or get wound up by it as a proxy for other non football matters. What ever floats your boat.

.

You left your foot in that tackle! Do you consider it possible for folk to get wound up by it for football reasons?

[BILLYHIBS]

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McCoist/Tyldesley has been the breakout partnership of the Euros. Pains me to say it, as my freely admitted anti-Hun bias is very, very considerably more ingrained then any subconscious anti-English bias I might have, but I actually feel happy when I realise they're covering the game.

McCoist and Hayes for me both excellent

[JeMeSouviens]

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McCoist and Hayes for me both excellent

Yep, she's been good too.

[Pagan Hibernia]

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Treat them same way as rangers, celtic and hearts.. for me that means indifference.. if you're overly stressed then maybe golf will do you good.

Lucky you! I’m anything but indifferent about those three 🤣

[Tommy75]

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If Scotland were the only U.K. team left, no danger would Gary Lineker or Rio Ferdinand be jumping around celebrating us scoring a goal v Germany. Simply won’t happen.

We’d be luck to even have two Scottish pundits to go with Gary. Likely have Roy Keane, Graham Souness and Juergen Klinsman.

That’s the point. It should be a Scottish lead production serving Scots in that situation.

J

If Scotland were the only team left then I am sure Scottish pundits would be jumping around if they scored against Germany.

There was a Scottish-only line up on STV for the England V Scotland game was there not?

[One Day Soon]

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McCoist and Hayes for me both excellent

She is actually outstanding on the technical insight. Way better than any male talking head I've heard previously.

[J-C]

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Chill out and enjoy the feast of football, I know I am. Hopefully Italy will win it but if they don't and it turns out to be England then at least their fans get to finally have the joy of laying the 1966 ghost to rest, regardless of the irritating pundits. As a serially underperforming football nation I can't help feeling their fans would be getting a fair bit of what we experienced in May 2016 and that would be some joy to witness. The downside for me would be how it would play into the whole Boris Johnson jingoistic mood but who gives a **** about him?

Or get wound up by it as a proxy for other non football matters. What ever floats your boat.

I think we can all agree that Rio Ferdinand, nice guy though he probably is, is truly mince as a talking head though? Actually I think Ally McCoist is a decent balance of insight and nonsense.

Ffs another who totally misses the tongue in cheek in my post, if you'd read all the posts you'd see my 2nd post re all the crap about England, commentary etc.