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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.
    The post you quote would suggest otherwise?

    Their welfare standards are not. Some of the practices they still use in the rearing of animals are barbaric.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.
    They simply and definitely are not

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    They simply and definitely are not
    Looking at the state of the cheap chicken you see in some of the shops I'd beg to differ, there's no comparison to those pathetic underdeveloped birds on the shelves to a real chicken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.
    What relevance is whether it is a backwater country or not? The US isn’t a backwater country and indisputably has lower food standards than the UK when it comes to things like Chicken. That’s not just my opinion it’s the opinion of many prominent MPs within your own Conservative Partty and most environmental agencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Looking at the state of the cheap chicken you see in some of the shops I'd beg to differ, there's no comparison to those pathetic underdeveloped birds on the shelves to a real chicken.
    They will be skinnier than Australia and us chickens because they are not plumped up with hormones and water. If you seen the size of a chicken 40 years ago and how much bigger it is now you would be surprised. Also that chicken doesn't have a life of hell that it has in aus

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    What relevance is whether it is a backwater country or not? The US isn’t a backwater country and indisputably has lower food standards than the UK when it comes to things like Chicken. That’s not just my opinion it’s the opinion of many prominent MPs within your own Conservative Partty and most environmental agencies.
    Are you telling me the watered pathetic chicken you see on the supermarket shelves are reared in healthy conditions? Have you seen any of the programmes showing you how they're reared? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, they're no more chicken than you or I.

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    They will be skinnier than Australia and us chickens because they are not plumped up with hormones and water. If you seen the size of a chicken 40 years ago and how much bigger it is now you would be surprised. Also that chicken doesn't have a life of hell that it has in aus
    I'm sorry but that is absolute rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    I'm sorry but that is absolute rubbish.
    Which part you bampot, us and Australia allow alot more chemicals than eu/uk or the terrible animal standards that they allow. I forgot you don't deal with facts or stats just what you see. So I may as well have a conversation with a ****ing tree I feel dafter for debating with you, so good day to you sir

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    Which part you bampot, us and Australia allow alot more chemicals than eu/uk or the terrible animal standards that they allow. I forgot you don't deal with facts or stats just what you see. So I may as well have a conversation with a ****ing tree I feel dafter for debating with you, so good day to you sir
    Bampot and sir? Nice debating skills

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Are you telling me the watered pathetic chicken you see on the supermarket shelves are reared in healthy conditions? Have you seen any of the programmes showing you how they're reared? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, they're no more chicken than you or I.
    Nope, I’m saying the conditions they are reared in the USA and Australia are much much worse.

    You don’t have to take my word for it though, here’s the view of Anthony Browne MP, Conservative Chairman of the Environment Committee.

    “the reason that the chicken meat needs to be washed in chlorinated water is that its low welfare standards leads to higher rates of infection. Low welfare standards enable US chicken producers to cut costs by as much as 20 per cent, potentially enabling them to undercut producers in the UK who bear the cost of higher standards.

    If allowing cheaper imports of chicken produced with lower welfare standards meant that chicken production moved from the UK to the US wholesale, then it might save shoppers money on their grocery bills, but it would be bad for animal welfare and food security. In fact, it is entirely counterproductive: we might as well never have had the higher standards in the UK but rather kept the chicken production.”
    - https://www.conservativehome.com/pla...l-welfare.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.
    You obviously missed my explanation of the barbaric practice involved with live sheep earlier. Animal welfare is secondary to profit in sheep farming.
    There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Are you telling me the watered pathetic chicken you see on the supermarket shelves are reared in healthy conditions? Have you seen any of the programmes showing you how they're reared? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, they're no more chicken than you or I.
    Can you cite any of these numerous programmes?

    Chickens in this country are reared and graded to certain standards, it's all about consumer choice.
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    Can you cite any of these numerous programmes?

    Chickens in this country are reared and graded to certain standards, it's all about consumer choice.
    Google it for yourself, I'm sure you'r capable. You can start with inside the uk's chicken farms on you tube for starters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Google it for yourself, I'm sure you'r capable. You can start with inside the uk's chicken farms on you tube for starters
    I'll take a look at that, though I know some chicken farmers personally and professionally and can assure you that practices here are among the best in the world.

    But like I say, it's about what you as a consumer can choose to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Bampot and sir? Nice debating skills
    a debate requires suitable input from both sides.



    as usual though, you've swerved the whole point.... the reason we don't need to chlorinate our chicken is entirely down to the methods used from initial hatching, rearing and eventual slaughter and subsequent packaging, the higher standards mean the bacteria/contaminants introduced in other countries procedures generally don't happen here.

    you also cite YouTube vids, bring out the detail though.... many of these are years old and often relate to places not adhering to set standards and have been prosecuted or even put out of business.... you actually appear to be supporting these very poor methods in your argument that Aussie & US standards should be acceptable here.

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    The brexit benefit....2bn quid loss for food and drink exporters in first quarter......JMJ and the Wee Donkey!

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    Bampot and sir? Nice debating skills
    Whereas dismissing something as "absolute rubbish" without addressing any of the points is practically Oxford Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Are you telling me the watered pathetic chicken you see on the supermarket shelves are reared in healthy conditions? Have you seen any of the programmes showing you how they're reared? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, they're no more chicken than you or I.
    They are reared in terrible conditions but still miles better than the US or Australia. The trade deals we sign should see our national tag of Animal Lovers removed immediately. The deals will also put a death nail into UK farmers. They probably deserve it as they are usually Tories who voted for Brexit

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Whereas dismissing something as "absolute rubbish" without addressing any of the points is practically Oxford Union.

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    https://www.onebritainonenation.com/

    Apparently there is some sort of song they’re going to get all the kids to sing at school. I assumed it was a spoof but clearly not. Creepy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    Apparently there is some sort of song they’re going to get all the kids to sing at school.
    What will rhyme with 'Dear Leader'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    https://www.onebritainonenation.com/

    Apparently there is some sort of song they’re going to get all the kids to sing at school. I assumed it was a spoof but clearly not. Creepy.
    They're going to get all Bozo's children to sing it initially just to give it some impetus.

    It's a toss up between Somewhere Over The Rainbow and Got To Pick A Pocket Or Two.

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    https://www.onebritainonenation.com/

    Apparently there is some sort of song they’re going to get all the kids to sing at school. I assumed it was a spoof but clearly not. Creepy.
    Not a spoof.

    https://twitter.com/billybragg/statu...206865408?s=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonhibby View Post
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    They're going to get all Bozo's children to sing it initially just to give it some impetus.

    It's a toss up between Somewhere Over The Rainbow and Got To Pick A Pocket Or Two.

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    The happy day is Friday. It will make my heart sing to see all those happy wee faces belt out the ditty in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2021/jun/22/education-department-challenged-over-support-for-one-britain-one-nation-day

    The happy day is Friday. It will make my heart sing to see all those happy wee faces belt out the ditty in question.
    They could get that awful Patel person to go round and whack the ones that aren't singing patriotically enough with a ruler.

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    Nope, Sky, BBC Guardian all reporting it as being on the DoE gov.uk site.

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    Nope, Sky, BBC Guardian all reporting it as being on the DoE gov.uk site.
    It must be really, really hard to be a satirist these days.

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