Taking the knee

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Just shows you how strong right wing views are at present. Depressing when politicians openly court the positions and fail to show proper leadership such as in UK.

It’s all from the same playbook... we should be taking about Brazil more...

https://livestream.com/accounts/2754...rue&mute=false

[Betty Boop]

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When white men are angrily ranting about something like gay rights or BLM, their face goes the colour of gammon.

Is gammon not a racist slur then ?

[MWHIBBIES]

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Is gammon not a racist slur then ?

Well, if everyone who gets red in the face when angry are a race, then perhaps?

[greenginger]

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Well, if everyone who gets red in the face when angry are a race, then perhaps?

I always thought defining a person by the colour of their skin was racist

[hibsbollah]

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Is gammon not a racist slur then ?

No.

[JimBHibees]

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A mate of mine was saying he’d pulled his mum up for being racist and she was quite happy to stick to get guns and say she was “a bit racist” as if that was ok.

There’s overt racism in politics at the moment, people are emboldened by the Brexit attitudes and are now quite open about it. It’s a worrying trend.

Couldn't agree more. Brexit campaign backed by many prominent newspapers had clearly racist overtones unfortunately it is is a mindset which struck a chord and emboldened the more extreme views in this area. Depressing

[greenginger]

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Couldn't agree more. Brexit campaign backed by many prominent newspapers had clearly racist overtones unfortunately it is is a mindset which struck a chord and emboldened the more extreme views in this area. Depressing

Do you include some Scot. Nats anti English rants as racist ?

[MWHIBBIES]

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I always thought defining a person by the colour of their skin was racist

Surely defining a person by their race is racist? Red in the face is not a race.

[WeeRussell]

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Do you include some Scot. Nats anti English rants as racist ?

I probably would if I’d ever heard it. Quote us an anti English rant and I’ll tell you for sure.

I’ve heard Scots make anti-English remarks and jokes, I’ve heard the same towards France and Germany from English and I’ve heard numerous variations from random people that joke about people from other countries.

I’ve never heard an SNP or independent voter (assume that’s what you qualify as a ‘Scot nat’) make their political case with an “anti English rant” though. It’s not like we’re looking to ‘send those English folk home’ or anything.

[Keith_M]

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When white men are angrily ranting about something like gay rights or BLM, their face goes the colour of gammon.

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Surely defining a person by their race is racist? Red in the face is not a race.

[MWHIBBIES]

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I'm still not defining anyone by race. It is a term coined for right wing men who rant about things of which they know very little and understand less and go red in the face doing so. Someone like Alan Brazil or Andrew Neil is an example.

I don't use the term personally but the term has nothing to do with race IMO.

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I'm still not defining anyone by race. It is a term coined for right wing men who rant about things of which they know very little and understand less and go red in the face doing so. Someone like Alan Brazil or Andrew Neil is an example.

I don't use the term personally but the term has nothing to do with race IMO.

I think the two previous posters are saying there was no need for the word ‘white’ to be included.

For what it’s worth - I don’t think you’re a racist person regardless of whether you use the word gammon.. and I don’t think it’s a racist term in the slightest 🙄

[greenginger]

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I probably would if I’d ever heard it. Quote us an anti English rant and I’ll tell you for sure.

I’ve heard Scots make anti-English remarks and jokes, I’ve heard the same towards France and Germany from English and I’ve heard numerous variations from random people that joke about people from other countries.

I’ve never heard an SNP or independent voter (assume that’s what you qualify as a ‘Scot nat’) make their political case with an “anti English rant” though. It’s not like we’re looking to ‘send those English folk home’ or anything.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...lish-dj-543280

[MWHIBBIES]

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I think the two previous posters are saying there was no need for the word ‘white’ to be included.

For what it’s worth - I don’t think you’re a racist person regardless of whether you use the word gammon.. and I don’t think it’s a racist term in the slightest 🙄

You are probably right there.

[Coco Bryce]

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Surely defining a person by their race is racist? Red in the face is not a race.

Explain that to the Washington Redskins who were pretty much forced to change their name by Nike

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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...lish-dj-543280

She seems a bit of a controversial character but I’m not sure what bit I am meant to be reading as a racist rant, maybe the ads and paywall are covering some of it though.. where she says Scotland isn’t a holiday park and he should do some reading?

Assuming that is the bit you’re supplying (it’s not an example of someone making the case for independence/SNP) then to answer your question - no I wouldn’t call that out as racism, because it’s not.

I would question the character of the MSP based on what I’ve read though. Nothing more.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Explain that to the Washington Redskins who were pretty much forced to change their name by Nike

Yeah, thats totally the same thing.

[Hiber-nation]

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Explain that to the Washington Redskins who were pretty much forced to change their name by Nike

You do understand the difference don't you?

[Coco Bryce]

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Yeah, thats totally the same thing.

I was jesting.

[One Day Soon]

Apropos of nothing in particular the use of terms such as 'woke', 'gammon' and 'Karen' get right on my thruppenies.

These and others seem to me lazy, dismissive, insular and almost deliberately playing into the whole culture-war false binary choice between them and us which right wingers in particular are keen to promote.

**** your extremes, 'mon the centrist dads.

[AgentDaleCooper]

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Apropos of nothing in particular the use of terms such as 'woke', 'gammon' and 'Karen' get right on my thruppenies.

These and others seem to me lazy, dismissive, insular and almost deliberately playing into the whole culture-war false binary choice between them and us which right wingers in particular are keen to promote.

**** your extremes, 'mon the centrist dads.

I agree with this, but from a far-left point of view.

[AgentDaleCooper]

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Is gammon not a racist slur then ?

It's not part of a societal problem that ruins lives and effects millions of people on a daily basis.

The only people who think 'gammon' is a term that can cause actual harm do so in order to play down racism, or to feel like geniuses by pointing out superficial 'hypocricy'.

I'd recommend reading 'Natives' by Akala to get a picture of what black-british people experience.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Or listen to any Fire in the Booth session with Akala on YouTube

[JimBHibees]

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Do you include some Scot. Nats anti English rants as racist ?

Yes I would

[jacomo]

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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...lish-dj-543280

That SNP councillor sounds like a xenophobic moron. Although, it does seem she apologised and deleted her Twitter account. If only ***** like Farage and Fox would do the same.

In the main, Scots nationalism is a world away from English nationalism, although the online vitriol can be just as bad.

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I'm still not defining anyone by race. It is a term coined for right wing men who rant about things of which they know very little and understand less and go red in the face doing so. Someone like Alan Brazil or Andrew Neil is an example.

I don't use the term personally but the term has nothing to do with race IMO.

I hope there's gammon women too or you'll be up for sexism . Can't have men only clubs in 2021 , gotta move with the times

[cappoquinboy]

men who rant about things of which they know very little and understand less and go red in the face doing so


Seems entirely appropriate for this forum at the moment

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I think the two previous posters are saying there was no need for the word ‘white’ to be included.

For what it’s worth - I don’t think you’re a racist person regardless of whether you use the word gammon.. and I don’t think it’s a racist term in the slightest 🙄

Can someone from the Bame community be a gammon?

[AgentDaleCooper]

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Can someone from the Bame community be a gammon?

Even if the word 'gammon' used in this sense is racist, do you think it's harmful?

Do you think it's racist if a white person calls another white person a 'gammon', even if it is a racist word?

Why do you care?

[CapitalGreen]

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Can someone from the Bame community be a gammon?

James Cleverley - big gammon vibes from him.