When we gonna get over it ?

[B.H.F.C]

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Why is this thread even still here? Move on, we lost a final it’s sport it’s football it’s par for the course you win some you lose some we didn’t turn up and got what we deserved. Can we try start a bit of a fresh for the new season and get rid of the negative ***** it’s not good for your health 😉

I think there are some valid points on this thread about the feeling towards the club, more generally than just to do with the cup final.

My health is absolutely fine but as far as Hibs go, this season has scunnered me. It’s not all down to Hibs, it’s partly down to not being there. The only way I will start fresh next season is if I’m able to get in to games. Without that, as I feel now, I don’t think I’ll give a **** (and I’m a home and away every week type of person).

[SMAXXA]

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I think there are some valid points on this thread about the feeling towards the club, more generally than just to do with the cup final.

My health is absolutely fine but as far as Hibs go, this season has scunnered me. It’s not all down to Hibs, it’s partly down to not being there. The only way I will start fresh next season is if I’m able to get in to games. Without that, as I feel now, I don’t think I’ll give a **** (and I’m a home and away every week type of person).

Each to their own but can’t say I would ever not give a **** wether I’m there in person to watch Hibs or not.

[B.H.F.C]

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Each to their own but can’t say I would ever not give a **** wether I’m there in person to watch Hibs or not.

The whole social aspect of my life is built around going to watch Hibs. Not being able to do that completely changes how I feel. I didn’t enjoy this season whatsoever. Partly through not being there and partly because I didn’t particularly enjoy the football a fair bit of the time. As it stands now, I don’t really have any interest in kicking of another season in the way the current one has finished.

[Peevemor]

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The whole social aspect of my life is built around going to watch Hibs. Not being able to do that completely changes how I feel. I didn’t enjoy this season whatsoever. Partly through not being there and partly because I didn’t particularly enjoy the football a fair bit of the time. As it stands now, I don’t really have any interest in kicking of another season in the way the current one has finished.

I can understand that 100%. From the time when I was old enough to go to matches on my own until when I left Edinburgh (probably a 25 year period) there were only 2 or 3 matches at ER that I could have gone to but didn't. For most of that time the pub with mates before and/or after the match was a big part of the ocassion. I also went to plenty away matches, but those were obviously far less routine.

For years now I've had to make do with watching Hibs via Hibs TV, so I'm obviously used to what many of you were experiencing for the first time, but I often thought about how I would have been affected had the Covid thing happened say 20 years ago when I was still in Edinburgh. I honestly would have been devastated - for other reasons in addition to the football, but missing matchdays would definitely have hit me hard.

In any case, we're hopefully seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and you should be able to get back to ER, etc. to shout on (or at) the lads. I'll get Cliff & Tam back to myself.

Chin up!

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You compete to win. Two trophies would mean a lot more than finishing third three time on the trot. Aberdeen were best of the rest for about five years, where’s that got them and what do they have to show for it?

I disagree. If we had won two trophies this season then finished 7th and 9th in the next two seasons folk on here wouldn't be contenting themselves with having been trophy winners a couple of seasons ago. They would be spitting feathers because we're crap. In the same way winning the Scottish in 2016 doesn't comfort folk now when we're getting cuffed off Ross County.

This season has been a disaster for Aberdeen and they finished 4th. 4th is a bad season for them. That and they consistently outbid us for our top targets and you're asking where being consistently third has gotten them?

If we're ever in a position where we're constantly third it stands us in better stead for the competitions you care about. It means we're a good team every season. I'd rather hibs be that than a one season wonder in a domestic cup.

[SMAXXA]

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I disagree. If we had won two trophies this season then finished 7th and 9th in the next two seasons folk on here wouldn't be contenting themselves with having been trophy winners a couple of seasons ago. They would be spitting feathers because we're crap. In the same way winning the Scottish in 2016 doesn't comfort folk now when we're getting cuffed off Ross County.

This season has been a disaster for Aberdeen and they finished 4th. 4th is a bad season for them. That and they consistently outbid us for our top targets and you're asking where being consistently third has gotten them?

If we're ever in a position where we're constantly third it stands us in better stead for the competitions you care about. It means we're a good team every season. I'd rather hibs be that than a one season wonder in a domestic cup.

Great post 👏 some sense at last

[Crazyhorse]

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Hopefully two years from now we'll be talking about having finished third three years on the trot. If we get better at competing in Europe every year all the better.

Of course we want to win trophies but if the club isn't progressing then what would be the point? St Johnstone won them this year but will likely be nowhere next year on the back of it.

I want this club to be bigger than domestic trophies. Aiming higher and competing with better clubs.

Yes a sustained period of success would be great but if it doesn’t involve winning the competitions we are in it is quickly forgotten. You have every right to disagree but for me the only thing that really does matter is Hibs winning trophies.
You might say that was a negative defensive performance St J produced in the final but for me it was the perfect professional way to win a final. I would have been very happy to see Hibs do that.

[B.H.F.C]

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I disagree. If we had won two trophies this season then finished 7th and 9th in the next two seasons folk on here wouldn't be contenting themselves with having been trophy winners a couple of seasons ago. They would be spitting feathers because we're crap. In the same way winning the Scottish in 2016 doesn't comfort folk now when we're getting cuffed off Ross County.

This season has been a disaster for Aberdeen and they finished 4th. 4th is a bad season for them. That and they consistently outbid us for our top targets and you're asking where being consistently third has gotten them?

If we're ever in a position where we're constantly third it stands us in better stead for the competitions you care about. It means we're a good team every season. I'd rather hibs be that than a one season wonder in a domestic cup.

Still don’t know what consistently finishing in the top four has got them. Are folk in Aberdeen desperate to watch them? Has it filled up their trophy cabinet?

Winning the cup in 2016 transformed our club. We were playing in front of crowds of 7k-8k at times in 2015-16. If we’d won the cup a fortnight ago we’d have been setting new records. Surely this season shows that simply doing well in the league doesn’t satisfy a lot of folk.

[jacomo]

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I disagree. If we had won two trophies this season then finished 7th and 9th in the next two seasons folk on here wouldn't be contenting themselves with having been trophy winners a couple of seasons ago. They would be spitting feathers because we're crap. In the same way winning the Scottish in 2016 doesn't comfort folk now when we're getting cuffed off Ross County.

This season has been a disaster for Aberdeen and they finished 4th. 4th is a bad season for them. That and they consistently outbid us for our top targets and you're asking where being consistently third has gotten them?

If we're ever in a position where we're constantly third it stands us in better stead for the competitions you care about. It means we're a good team every season. I'd rather hibs be that than a one season wonder in a domestic cup.

You can disagree all you want but at the end of the day it’s all about glory and winning trophies and Hibs blew great chances to do that this season.

Aberdeen under McInnes did just what you describe above - but the fans got sick of him and he got emptied because, ultimately, all he had to show for it was that one League Cup trophy.

Finishing 3rd in the league is great, and it’s financially important, but compared to etching your name on a trophy it’s a pretty hollow accolade.

[hibee-boys]

Maturity has certainly mellowed me over the years but that performance has really shifted even my normally pragmatic reaction to a defeat. This will probably linger with me far longer than other Hampden disappointments, if the nucleus of that team give Heart’s a good doing early next season we’ll kiss and make up😂

[Brightside]

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You can disagree all you want but at the end of the day it’s all about glory and winning trophies and Hibs blew great chances to do that this season.

Aberdeen under McInnes did just what you describe above - but the fans got sick of him and he got emptied because, ultimately, all he had to show for it was that one League Cup trophy.

Finishing 3rd in the league is great, and it’s financially important, but compared to etching your name on a trophy it’s a pretty hollow accolade.

No it’s not. Some fans would rather have a cup win but a consistent league placing year after year is worth much more to our club.

[Calmbegbie]

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Why is this thread even still here? Move on, we lost a final it’s sport it’s football it’s par for the course you win some you lose some we didn’t turn up and got what we deserved. Can we try start a bit of a fresh for the new season and get rid of the negative ***** it’s not good for your health 😉

I like this post and mindset. I was down about it but you are right, move on and let’s look forward

[superfurryhibby]

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No it’s not. Some fans would rather have a cup win but a consistent league placing year after year is worth much more to our club.

Some fans? i suspect 99% of fans would prefer a cup win to a consistently high league finish.

Pleasing though it was to secure 3rd, it hardly made me think about celebrating with an emotional outpouring. In my adult life, we’ve won three cups and finished third three times. The impact is hardly comparable and I would say nearly all Hibs fans feel the same way as me.

As for what is worth more, are we talking financially? I doubt that fourth/ third place would bring in as much revenue as a cup win any way, but really......

[BoomtownHibees]

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No it’s not. Some fans would rather have a cup win but a consistent league placing year after year is worth much more to our club.

Not sure about that. You only need to look at what the cup win did for season tickets the year after we won it etc. Consistently finishing 3rd or 4th wouldn’t have the same impact. As mentioned above, winning the cup this season would probably have seen us breaking records for the amount of season tickets sold

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Some fans? i suspect 99% of fans would prefer a cup win to a consistently high league finish.

Pleasing though it was to secure 3rd, it hardly made me think about celebrating with an emotional outpouring. In my adult life, we’ve won three cups and finished third three times. The impact is hardly comparable and I would say nearly all Hibs fans feel the same way as me.

As for what is worth more, are we talking financially? I doubt that fourth/ third place would bring in as much revenue as a cup win any way, but really......

I think it’s an old fashioned view tbh. And I don’t think for a second that 99% of fans would rather have cup wins and finishing lower down in the league. The club would end up struggling. It’s like when some people say they’d happily be bottom half of the league as long as they win the derbies. It’s nonsense. Thankfully the club isn’t run like that or we’d end up like our neighbours.

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I think it’s an old fashioned view tbh. And I don’t think for a second that 99% of fans would rather have cup wins and finishing lower down in the league. The club would end up struggling. It’s like when some people say they’d happily be bottom half of the league as long as they win the derbies. It’s nonsense. Thankfully the club isn’t run like that or we’d end up like our neighbours.

No, I think it would be more like 99.9 with you being the only dissenter. Who in their right mind would accept 3rd over a Scottish Cup, or even a League cup for that matter .

[Peevemor]

Is it not a mixture of both which would be ideal? We're not going to win a cup every season but STs undoubtedly get a boost when we do. They also get a boost from regular good cup runs (like we're currently experiencing) with people looking to be guaranteed tickets.

On top of that, regular decent league placing should keep ST sales at a good level, although not quite as high as just after winning a (the) cup.

A cup win every 10 years while constantly finishing mid table or less in the league will see the cycle of attendances yo-yoing from one extreme to another (which is basically what happened from 1990-2016.

[B.H.F.C]

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I think it’s an old fashioned view tbh. And I don’t think for a second that 99% of fans would rather have cup wins and finishing lower down in the league. The club would end up struggling. It’s like when some people say they’d happily be bottom half of the league as long as they win the derbies. It’s nonsense. Thankfully the club isn’t run like that or we’d end up like our neighbours.

Last time we won something it transformed the club. And that coincided with us finishing third in the first division.

If the club were winning trophies they absolutely would not be struggling.

[superfurryhibby]

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I think it’s an old fashioned view tbh. And I don’t think for a second that 99% of fans would rather have cup wins and finishing lower down in the league. The club would end up struggling. It’s like when some people say they’d happily be bottom half of the league as long as they win the derbies. It’s nonsense. Thankfully the club isn’t run like that or we’d end up like our neighbours.

It’s not really like the comparison you make with winning derbies.

The chances are that any Hibs team winning cups will also be doing alright in the league. I’ll take more cups and I reckon so would every Hibs fans I know.

[Brightside]

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It’s not really like the comparison you make with winning derbies.

The chances are that any Hibs team winning cups will also be doing alright in the league. I’ll take more cups and I reckon so would every Hibs fans I know.

The chances are that would be wrong. Where were we when we last won a cup?

[Eyrie]

It's the cup wins that stick in the memory, simply because they don't come along very often.

After that it's the teams that play good football that we remember.

League placings come below those two. In ten years time people will recall season 20-21 for Covid and losing the final, not for finishing third.

Personally I'm greedy, and want us finishing third or fourth consistently because that means we've got a good team that qualifies for Europe and which improves our chances of winning a cup.

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Last time we won something it transformed the club. And that coincided with us finishing third in the first division.

If the club were winning trophies they absolutely would not be struggling.

The idea that consistently winning trophies but finishing lower in the league would see us struggle is laughable really.

Look at what happened when we last won the cup and where we were. Then look at Aberdeen.

Winning trophies is what it’s all about.

As it is though, if you’re consistently winning trophies then chances are you’re a better side than everyone else outside the OF. The same can’t really be said the other way around when you look at us, Hearts and Aberdeen’s pitiful trophy hauls.

[superfurryhibby]

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The chances are that would be wrong. Where were we when we last won a cup?

There’s no real debating with that.

[Eyrie]

Over the last fifty yeas our average league position is seventh (6.83) and our finishes when we won cups were

1972/73 - 3rd, League Cup
1991/92 - 5th, League Cup
2006/07 - 6th, League Cup
2015/16 - 15th, Scottish Cup.

So the general trend is that we have a decent season in the league when we win a trophy, which makes sense as a struggling bottom six side is unlikely to have a good cup run. In 15/16 we were in a lower league, but were playing well so morale was good.

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I’d definitely take a Cup win in a season over high league placing, but the argument that the high league placing are better for the club is surely indisputable?

Higher League placing tells you you’ve got a better team than most other sides, which in itself gives you a better chance of winning cups, as does the financial rewards that come with consistent high league placings.

Long term, if we want to be a side that wins trophies regularly, we need to be finishing high up the league on a consistent basis.

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I’d definitely take a Cup win in a season over high league placing, but the argument that the high league placing are better for the club is surely indisputable?

Higher League placing tells you you’ve got a better team than most other sides, which in itself gives you a better chance of winning cups, as does the financial rewards that come with consistent high league placings.

Long term, if we want to be a side that wins trophies regularly, we need to be finishing high up the league on a consistent basis.

Yep. Totally get the glory of cup wins but that’s not the priority for Hibs as a club.

[B.H.F.C]

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Yep. Totally get the glory of cup wins but that’s not the priority for Hibs as a club.

What season would those at the club have preferred. Ours or St Johnstone’s?

[B.H.F.C]

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I’d definitely take a Cup win in a season over high league placing, but the argument that the high league placing are better for the club is surely indisputable?

Higher League placing tells you you’ve got a better team than most other sides, which in itself gives you a better chance of winning cups, as does the financial rewards that come with consistent high league placings.

Long term, if we want to be a side that wins trophies regularly, we need to be finishing high up the league on a consistent basis.

How’s it indisputable? What would the club have benefitted more from? The season we had or the season St Johnstone had?

You’d be selling more season tickets, be entering a a better European competition if you’d had the latter. And rather than ‘having a better chance of winning cups’ you’d already have them in the bag.

[Crunchie]

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How’s it indisputable? What would the club have benefitted more from? The season we had or the season St Johnstone had?

You’d be selling more season tickets, be entering a a better European competition if you’d had the latter. And rather than ‘having a better chance of winning cups’ you’d already have them in the bag.

Had we won the Scottish cup and the League cup in the same season it would quite rightly have been hailed our best ever season, we nearly did it as a championship club.
Aberdeen for years have consistently finished top 3 or 4 and won 1 league cup for their troubles.

[7Hero]

LOL. Great thread.

anyone who knows me know i tend to go on a bit, especially when it comes to moaning about hibs failures.

while this was a huge kick in the teeth for the massive missed chance ( i honestly thought the covid treble was on prior to the hearts game )what's different for me is we have a new guy at the helm.

Let's see how he deals with this, i had hoped he would have sacked Ross just to show he won't accept such failures / lack of fight etc. (works for abramovic lol) but he hasn't so he must have a plan. He's shown resolve by removing "fans favourite" ms. dempster which was a bold move but was needed to move the club forward, already progress shown with sponsorship and better signings coming in.

i think if we had gone through this 3 game failure with Petrie and Dempster still there i would be feeling a lot worse, and wouldn't have any feeling of optimisim. Good to have an owner who states he is actually interested in football.

i hope he has said to Ross, we need to win something next year mate and / or show much better commitment / passion and flair as a team, if not your offski pretty quickly, in this game you can't suffer fools and quick decisions need to be made.

as for folk who keep bringing it up ALL THE TIME, yes they need to grow up and get on with it.

I did !