When we gonna get over it ?

[Allez Hibs]

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but if we want to ‘get over it’ we need to see a different approach from this club.

As they say, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is a sign of madness.

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[marinello59]

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Nope that’s not my intention at all. It’s a familiar criticism of fans expressing negative opinion but I am not one to declare a result ‘unacceptable’ as if that somehow makes me a more passionate supporter.

However the title of this thread and many of the replies tells the other side of the story.

My view is that the SC Final was a really damaging result. Time will tell, but if we want to ‘get over it’ we need to see a different approach from this club.

As they say, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is a sign of madness.

I think we can both agree that it was damaging though we are probably miles apart in how we see the extent of the damage done. We ain’t gonna bridge that divide.
What I would ask you to consider is the special nature of the whole season just past. Football is a different game without fans present. You can argue that good pros should overcome that but the passion and adrenaline rush provided by having fans present was a huge miss. We saw some freakish results in one off matches in leagues all over Europe and the manner of our cup final loss certainly fell in to that bracket.
So yes, there are lessons to be learned but perhaps not the same lessons as in the pre-Covid era.
Peace.

[marinello59]

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Bored in the house with no one to argue with?!!

Accepting mediocrity is simply an expression. You’re an intelligent guy, you don’t need anyone to explain it to you..

I’m married. I’m never stuck for anybody to argue with.

[w pilton hibby]

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As they say, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is a sign of madness.

Does that include changing manager/head coach 13 times in 20 years?

[jacomo]

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I think we can both agree that it was damaging though we are probably miles apart in how we see the extent of the damage done. We ain’t gonna bridge that divide.
What I would ask you to consider is the special nature of the whole season just past. Football is a different game without fans present. You can argue that good pros should overcome that but the passion and adrenaline rush provided by having fans present was a huge miss. We saw some freakish results in one off matches in leagues all over Europe and the manner of our cup final loss certainly fell in to that bracket.
So yes, there are lessons to be learned but perhaps not the same lessons as in the pre-Covid era.
Peace.

Peace, yes, absolutely. We are all Hibs fans here (well, almost all ) and we should be able to have civil discussions.

I’d love to dismiss the SC Final as a freakish result, but unfortunately a lot of Hibs fans saw the team sheet ahead of the game and made the same prediction: we will huff and puff to no discernible effect, St J will nick a goal, we won’t get back into it.

Which is exactly what happened.

I hate to say it, because it’s such a lazy cliche, but watching the Saints players after the game they just looked like they wanted it more?

Jack is obviously a competent manager and decent tactician. But can he inspire our players to dig deeper and find levels of performance that surprise even themselves? This is an unanswered question for now, but it can make all the difference between a ‘nearly’ team and a team that truly achieves its potential.

[Onion]

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Why are some Hibs fans so offended when other Hibs fans say Hibsed it or use it as a term?

The term doesn't bother me at all and is quite apt at times.

Self-flagellation is not a good look. Whether it's apt at times or not, last thing we need is for that term to be commonly adopted to describe pathetic capitulation in football and other sports and no Hibs fan should be using it.

[jacomo]

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Does that include changing manager/head coach 13 times in 20 years?

Nope.

[MWHIBBIES]

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And if Aberdeen hadn’t collapsed? What then?

I’ve not forgotten the details, it’s all quite fresh in the mind thanks.

We'd still be 3rd. We were the 3rd best side.

[Onion]

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Peace, yes, absolutely. We are all Hibs fans here (well, almost all ) and we should be able to have civil discussions.

I’d love to dismiss the SC Final as a freakish result, but unfortunately a lot of Hibs fans saw the team sheet ahead of the game and made the same prediction: we will huff and puff to no discernible effect, St J will nick a goal, we won’t get back into it.

Which is exactly what happened.

I hate to say it, because it’s such a lazy cliche, but watching the Saints players after the game they just looked like they wanted it more?

Jack is obviously a competent manager and decent tactician. But can he inspire our players to dig deeper and find levels of performance that surprise even themselves? This is an unanswered question for now, but it can make all the difference between a ‘nearly’ team and a team that truly achieves its potential.

Fair question, but that level of inspiration wasn't even needed for a national Cup Final against St Johnstone. Just some .. any .. level of professional pride and effort from half the Hibs players could have made a difference. It was the lack of belief/energy/confidence/determination/drive that was so shocking and throws so many question marks over the future of a lot of these Hibs players.

[jacomo]

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Fair question, but that level of inspiration wasn't even needed for a national Cup Final against St Johnstone. Just some .. any .. level of professional pride and effort from half the Hibs players could have made a difference. It was the lack of belief/energy/confidence/determination/drive that was so shocking and throws so many question marks over the future of a lot of these Hibs players.

Legitimately, it’s a question for the manager too, because it’s his responsibility to get the players in the right frame of mind for any particular fixture.

[snedzuk]

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Fair question, but that level of inspiration wasn't even needed for a national Cup Final against St Johnstone. Just some .. any .. level of professional pride and effort from half the Hibs players could have made a difference. It was the lack of belief/energy/confidence/determination/drive that was so shocking and throws so many question marks over the future of a lot of these Hibs players.

JR said this about his half time talk "I posed the question at half time that if you are going to lose the game are you going to be prepared to do it dead on your feet." That reads to me like putting it into players minds they could lose and it isnt a comment id be going to the press with - but I agree with you about individual player pride / effort.

[WhileTheChief..]

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I’m married. I’m never stuck for anybody to argue with.

Just to add to the point from earlier, JR has said on many occasions that the feeling around the club when he arrived was that they were happy to tick along winning one, drawing one and losing one.

That to me smacks of ‘accepting mediocrity’.

JR wants to change that, so it seems like he is in agreement with a lot of fans on here.

[hibby6270]

Finals come. And finals go.
Some we win. A lot we lose.
That’s football.

This latest disappointment is just part and parcel of being a Hibs fan.
I’ve only really been bothered by one final loss in my 60+ years.
2012.
Not because we lost, or how we lost. It was who we lost against that still sticks in the craw. Even then though, it was only a few days of personal raging that ensued.

We move on. There will be other finals in future. Then recycle to the top of this comment!
GGTTH

[Barman Stanton]

That performance is still pissing me off. Can take getting beat but it’s like they just didn’t try or care. I honestly think that result is bugging me more than any other Cup final defeat. Iv hardly read about or watched any football since. Should be used to it by now I know.

[Crazyhorse]

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Peace, yes, absolutely. We are all Hibs fans here (well, almost all ) and we should be able to have civil discussions.

I’d love to dismiss the SC Final as a freakish result, but unfortunately a lot of Hibs fans saw the team sheet ahead of the game and made the same prediction: we will huff and puff to no discernible effect, St J will nick a goal, we won’t get back into it.

Which is exactly what happened.

I hate to say it, because it’s such a lazy cliche, but watching the Saints players after the game they just looked like they wanted it more?

Jack is obviously a competent manager and decent tactician. But can he inspire our players to dig deeper and find levels of performance that surprise even themselves? This is an unanswered question for now, but it can make all the difference between a ‘nearly’ team and a team that truly achieves its potential.

True. Was exchanging texts with mates and my son before kick off with a lot of concerns about that starting line up. Funnily enough did exactly the same before the EC final when the best coach in the world totally screwed up and you could see it coming.

Hibs manager and players let us down big time but of course we will get over it. This season was a huge opportunity to actually do what St Johnstone did and we would be talking about it for the next two decades. They blew it, bottled it, whatever...
And none of us will be talking about finishing 3rd two years from now. The only thing that you remember is winning trophies.

[Since452]

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And if Aberdeen hadn’t collapsed? What then?

I’ve not forgotten the details, it’s all quite fresh in the mind thanks.

Who cares? Thats for them to try and work out. They probably collapsed partially because we were putting pressure on them. It's down to them to get their own house in order. Us battering them at Easter Road was basically the end for them. If we were scraping around mid table Aberdeen would have finished 3rd and McInnes would have still been in a job. Why not give Hibs some credit? You seem desperate not to.

[jacomo]

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Who cares? Thats for them to try and work out. They probably collapsed partially because we were putting pressure on them. It's down to them to get their own house in order. Us battering them at Easter Road was basically the end for them. If we were scraping around mid table Aberdeen would have finished 3rd and McInnes would have still been in a job. Why not give Hibs some credit? You seem desperate not to.

Total rubbish.

Why don’t you read what I write and respond to that?

[seanshow]

Is it safe to come out yet Since FT I've avoided all football reactions,interactions for 14 days, blind ignorance is bliss

[Since452]

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Total rubbish.

Why don’t you read what I write and respond to that?

Yawn

[JohnMcM]

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Is it safe to come out yet Since FT I've avoided all football reactions,interactions for 14 days, blind ignorance is bliss

It is safe to come out only if you mention the performance on multiple threads over multiple days as some posters are.

For example: see the first post after this

[ben johnson]

It’s very unfortunate for us to have the Classic Scottish Cup Finals being repeated at the moment
I have watched Falkirk v ICT and DU v St J
The ferocious pace of the STJ and DU match with both teams fully committed and Falkirks never say die attitude was a complete contrast to the lack lustre effort Hibs put in

[MWHIBBIES]

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It’s very unfortunate for us to have the Classic Scottish Cup Finals being repeated at the moment
I have watched Falkirk v ICT and DU v St J
The ferocious pace of the STJ and DU match with both teams fully committed and Falkirks never say die attitude was a complete contrast to the lack lustre effort Hibs put in

The 2016 game is pretty good. Hard to question our effort that day. Or does that not fit the narrative?

Falkirk did say die, because they lost to 10 man Inverness.

[Calmbegbie]

Long long time. Still sick two weeks after. It was the manner of how we lost it. Toothless, didn’t show up

[Allez Hibs]

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The 2016 game is pretty good. Hard to question our effort that day. Or does that not fit the narrative?

Falkirk did say die, because they lost to 10 man Inverness.

Think he's meaning the 2021 Scottish Cup Final and has a point.

[northstandhibby]

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Think he's meaning the 2021 Scottish Cup Final and has a point.

Its been a very very weird year with covid. I'm over it. The better team (overall) lost. Merely adds to what has been a torrid time for all of us. 2016 was the real deal, no doubt about it. And we didn't have a crooked russian submariner bankrolling us with Lithuanian pension funds.

[Wilson]

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True. Was exchanging texts with mates and my son before kick off with a lot of concerns about that starting line up. Funnily enough did exactly the same before the EC final when the best coach in the world totally screwed up and you could see it coming.

Hibs manager and players let us down big time but of course we will get over it. This season was a huge opportunity to actually do what St Johnstone did and we would be talking about it for the next two decades. They blew it, bottled it, whatever...
And none of us will be talking about finishing 3rd two years from now. The only thing that you remember is winning trophies.

Hopefully two years from now we'll be talking about having finished third three years on the trot. If we get better at competing in Europe every year all the better.

Of course we want to win trophies but if the club isn't progressing then what would be the point? St Johnstone won them this year but will likely be nowhere next year on the back of it.

I want this club to be bigger than domestic trophies. Aiming higher and competing with better clubs.

[B.H.F.C]

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Hopefully two years from now we'll be talking about having finished third three years on the trot. If we get better at competing in Europe every year all the better.

Of course we want to win trophies but if the club isn't progressing then what would be the point? St Johnstone won them this year but will likely be nowhere next year on the back of it.

That’s not to say o don’t want to get finish third and compete in Europe.
I want this club to be bigger than domestic trophies. Aiming higher and competing with better clubs.

You compete to win. Two trophies would mean a lot more than finishing third three time on the trot. Aberdeen were best of the rest for about five years, where’s that got them and what do they have to show for it?

[superfurryhibby]

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You compete to win. Two trophies would mean a lot more than finishing third three time on the trot. Aberdeen were best of the rest for about five years, where’s that got them and what do they have to show for it?

Got to agree with this. Cup wins have given me my greatest Hibees moments, nothing else has come close ( although 6-2 wasn’t too shoddy).

[Lancs Harp]

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Got to agree with this. Cup wins have given me my greatest Hibees moments, nothing else has come close ( although 6-2 wasn’t too shoddy).

Me too trophies any day. Back in 2016 we had endless debates about promotion v winning the cup. Winning the cup changed the complexion of the Club. We need to be competing in Europe and winning the odd cup, no mean feat I know. Cup wins live in the hearts and memories of fans forever.

[SMAXXA]

Why is this thread even still here? Move on, we lost a final it’s sport it’s football it’s par for the course you win some you lose some we didn’t turn up and got what we deserved. Can we try start a bit of a fresh for the new season and get rid of the negative ***** it’s not good for your health 😉