Would Daz have made a difference?

[JohnM1875]

Daz would have made a difference. Of course he would have. He's a better defender than Porteous and should have started.

[Sammy7nil]

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Daz would have made a difference. Of course he would have. He's a better defender than Porteous and should have started.

What did Porteous do wrong ?

[B.H.F.C]

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I'm not sure.

We were edgy and nervy at the back all day. They had a chance, I think it was Kane, that came about because Porteous started to commit, hesitated then dived in and completely sold himself. They also got another chance on the break when he went wandering with the ball and with a 10 yards pass on he tried a world cup ball that was easily intercepted with him 50 yards out of position. I think it was Gogic who made a last gasp tackle to bail him out. I'm not sure Daz makes those mistakes but then I'm not sure that edginess at the back was responsible for our defeat. Did it spread through the team? Does it matter?

For me the game was lost in midfield. We weren't only outfought, we were outplayed as well. Everything St Johnstone done quickly was in complete contrast to our half turn, look up, take a step forward, stop then make 5 passes to move the ball 3 yards backwards. I have no issue with retaining possession or knocking the ball about but it has to have a purpose.

I think we lost the game yesterday because of that lack of purpose in midfield. Our moving the ball was totally ineffective at dragging a disciplined side out of position and creating space. They allowed us to play in front of them because they knew we were ponderous and allowed them to regroup.

I don't think McGregor changes that.

On that lack of purpose in midfield, there was one in the first half when the ball got played in to Newell in the middle of the park. Had loads of room just to turn and carry the ball forward but opted for a first time pass back to the goalie. Newell passing the ball back the way isn’t any real surprise but St Johnstone must have loved seeing that kind of thing.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Does anyone think our 6 foot 7 Keeper....thats 2m and nearly 9 feet without jumping with hands up....could have maybe influenced that more?....just interested caused ive watched the cross a few times now

No. Doig is 6 ft 2, just **** defending from him and the 3 who let the cross in

[MWHIBBIES]

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What did Porteous do wrong ?

Quite a few things. He was generally rubbish. Didn't win a challenge, got bullied by Kane and at fault for penalty

[JohnM1875]

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What did Porteous do wrong ?

Was well out of position, as he often is, when Kane had a glorious chance first 15 minute then smashed the ball off Gogic back with yet another wayward pass, as he often does.

The boy is clearly talented. I'm not saying he's not. And he'll definitely learn and get better. But as it stands Daz is a better defender just now and should have started.

[easty]

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Why was Doig v Rooney such a mismatch? There's a one inch height difference.

Cos he’s got a standing start, and Rooney has a run onto it and about 3 stone on him.

What could he have done?

[Hiber-nation]

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What did Porteous do wrong ?

Seriously? He set the tone by making 4 mistakes on the trot in the first 20 minutes. Like the semi, I felt sorry for him, he should never have been put in that position considering how out of form he is.

[Killiehibbie]

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Cos he’s got a standing start, and Rooney has a run onto it and about 3 stone on him.

What could he have done?

Jumping for start. Some sort of challenge. How often do defenders do enough to put strikers off and make them miss

[danhibees1875]

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Jumping for start. Some sort of challenge. How often do defenders do enough to put strikers off and make them miss

He does jump, Rooney just gets the better of him coming from behind and it's a good ball in - I'm not sure there's much more Doig can do there.

Gogic was the problem IMO - no idea what he's thinking and allows wotherspoon all the time in the world to put the perfect cross in for Rooney.

[Hiber-nation]

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He does jump, Rooney just gets the better of him coming from behind and it's a good ball in - I'm not sure there's much more Doig can do there.

Gogic was the problem IMO - no idea what he's thinking and allows wotherspoon all the time in the world to put the perfect cross in for Rooney.

Yep, said this yesterday, Gogic's part in the goal was schoolboy stuff. At a push you could say McGinn was a bit unlucky, Boyle's job isn't to tackle and Doig was up against a real threat in the air. But what Gogic did would have been a joke at Sunday league level.

[danhibees1875]

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Yep, said this yesterday, Gogic's part in the goal was schoolboy stuff. At a push you could say McGinn was a bit unlucky, Boyle's job isn't to tackle and Doig was up against a real threat in the air. But what Gogic did would have been a joke at Sunday league level.

It's a cliché and it's the sort of thing I'd roll my eyes at but I genuinely couldn't imagine another team doing that against Hibs. Leaping out of the way like that was comical seeing it back.

Booth's desire to win those 50/50s was spot on. I actually think McGinn done all he could there but was just bettered by Booth/the break of the ball after.

[easty]

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Jumping for start. Some sort of challenge. How often do defenders do enough to put strikers off and make them miss

He did jump.

We’d never have asked Doig to mark Rooney at a corner of free kick, cos it’s a mismatch. An obvious one.

I’d have loved to have seen Doig win that header, but I just can’t blame him, at all, for it.

[BoomtownHibees]

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He did jump.

We’d never have asked Doig to mark Rooney at a corner of free kick, cos it’s a mismatch. An obvious one.

I’d have loved to have seen Doig win that header, but I just can’t blame him, at all, for it.

Not sure it’s an “obvious mismatch” with only 5cm of a height difference however I agree that there wasn’t much else he could have done at the goal

[easty]

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Not sure it’s an “obvious mismatch” with only 5cm of a height difference however I agree that there wasn’t much else he could have done at the goal

Its not just about height. 2 players at the same height aren’t necessarily equally as good in the air.

Rooney is an aerial threat, it’s probably his best attribute. Doig is a young athletic full back, who’s fairly lightweight. It’s a complete mismatch for a header.

[my left peg]

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Does anyone think our 6 foot 7 Keeper....thats 2m and nearly 9 feet without jumping with hands up....could have maybe influenced that more?....just interested caused ive watched the cross a few times now

No I don’t think so.
The quality of the cross from Wotherspoon took the goalie out of the equation.
Boyle ,McGinn,Gogic ,Doig and the two centre half’s that we’re ball watching were all culpable.


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[SMAXXA]

No he wouldn’t

[calumhibee1]

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Its not just about height. 2 players at the same height aren’t necessarily equally as good in the air.

Rooney is an aerial threat, it’s probably his best attribute. Doig is a young athletic full back, who’s fairly lightweight. It’s a complete mismatch for a header.

[easty]

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No I don’t think so.
The quality of the cross from Wotherspoon took the goalie out of the equation.
Boyle ,McGinn,Gogic ,Doig and the two centre half’s that we’re ball watching were all culpable.


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Was a good cross, but it’s a cross you’d expect him to be able to make 99 times out of a hundred with the amount of time we have him.

He always cuts back onto his right. Gogic looked like an idiot.

[JimBHibees]

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What did Porteous do wrong ?

Gifted the ball for the penalty for one. Huge mistake in the context of a tight game.

[147lothian]

No

[CMurdoch]

McGregor would only have made a difference by being played in the centre of a 3 with Porteous and Hanlon either side of him.
It's what I had hoped for but it didn't happen.
It was daft repeating our shape from the previous unsuccessful games against St Johnstone.
The match up 3-5-2 might not have looked good but I don't think they would have scored against it.

[jamesjamieson]

McGregor with either Hanlon or Porteous would have made a difference. Like when Sauzee stepped on the park in a Hibs shirt, you just felt more confident. McGregor is not Sauzee, of course, but he is an experienced player - and a winner - in form and would have been our only natural leader on the park (as many others have said).

[Stuarty1875]

Don’t think so. We lost the game in midfield as we were unable to create anything.

[easty]

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McGregor with either Hanlon or Porteous would have made a difference. Like when Sauzee stepped on the park in a Hibs shirt, you just felt more confident. McGregor is not Sauzee, of course, but he is an experienced player - and a winner - in form and would have been our only natural leader on the park (as many others have said).

I love Darren McGregor. I love the kind of defender he is, and at his peak he was great for us.

This “natural leader” stuff that gets bandied around every time we have a bad result does my head in though. I’ve seen us lose plenty games with “natural leaders” McGregor and Gray on the pitch. Plenty.

I love the determination they bring, but it’s never consistently meant the team were always up for it. We lost as many games with them as we do without.

The league cup final we lost to Ross County. We had McGregor and Gray and McGinn and Bartley. We lost that game. To a team worse than the St Johnstone one that beat us yesterday.

[Since90+2]

There are certain games that you need a natural leader on the park and yesterday was one of them. We just seemed so flat despite it being a Scottish cup final.

Would Darren have made a difference? It's a question we'll never know the answer to but you know what he is going to offer.

[Dr What If?]

For me yes, we really needed his experience. Ryan is a cracking player, is probably the better footballer and definitely has more potential but this was a cup final. For me Doig's nerves showed (he's still just a kid), he needed a Daz on the pitch.
That said it was in midfield we lost that match, strikers never got a sniff and Boyle (our go to guy) was actually really poor....I just cant understand what I saw from him yesterday. He will be off, so will Nisbet and Irvine though.....I hope Ryan stays and gets that experience with us.

[snedzuk]

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I love Darren McGregor. I love the kind of defender he is, and at his peak he was great for us.

This “natural leader” stuff that gets bandied around every time we have a bad result does my head in though. I’ve seen us lose plenty games with “natural leaders” McGregor and Gray on the pitch. Plenty.

I love the determination they bring, but it’s never consistently meant the team were always up for it. We lost as many games with them as we do without.

The league cup final we lost to Ross County. We had McGregor and Gray and McGinn and Bartley. We lost that game. To a team worse than the St Johnstone one that beat us yesterday.

But we were relegated on merit and lost the Ross County final to a team in the division above us - not one 15 or so points below us.

[147lothian]

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Don’t think so. We lost the game in midfield as we were unable to create anything.

Porteous can be blamed for many things, but its not really his fault that the game was lost in midfield.

[easty]

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But we were relegated on merit and lost the Ross County final to a team in the division above us - not one 15 or so points below us.

The Hibs team that day was better than the Hibs team yesterday. The St Johnstone team yesterday was better than the Ross Co team then.