Scott Allan goes on loan

[WeeRussell]

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We've not had a game this weekend. Folk need to moan about something.

True.. what’s wrong with the usual moaning about it being the international break and folk trying to outdo each other about how much they don’t care about their own country?

[Allez Hibs]

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True.. what’s wrong with the usual moaning about it being the international break and folk trying to outdo each other about how much they don’t care about their own country?

Whatever way you dress it up, Hibs have let their best player go out on loan at a critical period of the season - and now there's talk that he won't be back. The fans are quite right to moan.

Scott Allan is a player that you fit in the team, the type of player you let train when he wants, like Latapy.

Some are even saying he's now not our best player - madness.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Whatever way you dress it up, Hibs have let their best player go out on loan at a critical period of the season - and now there's talk that he won't be back. The fans are quite right to moan.

Scott Allan is a player that you fit in the team, the type of player you let train when he wants.

Some are even saying he's now not our best player - madness.

There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.

[B.H.F.C]

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There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.

Allan will definitely be back at Hibs. Whether he can get back to a level that means he then remains at Hibs is a different story. I don’t believe anybody is thinking about not having Allan at Hibs next season. Not at the moment, anyway.

[jacomo]

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There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.

I don’t believe you are naive, so I can only think that you are at it.

We all know how football operates. Scott is entitled to put a positive spin on things and the club is right not to do anything to undermine that, but we have sent our most creative player out on loan while there is still much to fight for this season.

It doesn’t look promising.

[jacomo]

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We have a very tricky Scottish Cup tie away at Queen of the South next weekend. Thinking if we get through that and got a favourable draw v a lower league team that might have been an ideal game for Scott Allan to play in. I will refrain from criticising the manager and club but I'd liked to have seen Scott Allan stay at the club for the run in just in case we get a bad injury or a suspension. Really hope this isn't the end of the road for Scott Allan at Hibs.

We are in a very good position just now but if you'd been told at the start of the season Scott Allan would be playing for Inverness you'd have thought no chance.

Also, were Hibs ever in for Scott Brown? Have the club missed a trick here? The more I think of it the more I think we should have signed him.

I agree with your first point.

As for Scott Brown, I am not sure. He’d bring many qualities to the team but maybe the coaching aspect is too important to him, and we don’t have an opening there.

[Allez Hibs]

You could look at it and think Jack Ross has potentially put himself under pressure here if we don't see 3rd place out.

Positives
Away Record
Beat Aberdeen once
Ok record against teams we should beat
Found a left back and stuck with him
Newell is a player

Negatives
Let Scott Allan go on loan at the most critical time of the season
Scottish Cup Semi Final loss v Hearts - biggest game of the season
League Cup Semi Final loss to St Johnstone
Home Record / consistency / poor results at home
Record v other big clubs
Balance of the squad

[Allez Hibs]

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I agree with your first point.

As for Scott Brown, I am not sure. He’d bring many qualities to the team but maybe the coaching aspect is too important to him, and we don’t have an opening there.

Create one?

[Danderhall Hibs]

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I don’t believe you are naive, so I can only think that you are at it.

We all know how football operates. Scott is entitled to put a positive spin on things and the club is right not to do anything to undermine that, but we have sent our most creative player out on loan while there is still much to fight for this season.

It doesn’t look promising.

I don’t believe I’m naive nor am I at it. I’m just taking what the club say at face value instead of getting angry about us trying to help a player recover from a serious illness and making up stories about him not coming back.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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You could look at it and think Jack Ross has potentially put himself under pressure here if we don't see 3rd place out.

Positives
Away Record
Beat Aberdeen once
Ok record against teams we should beat
Found a left back and stuck with him
Newell is a player

Negatives
Let Scott Allan go on loan at the most critical time of the season
Scottish Cup Semi Final loss v Hearts - biggest game of the season
League Cup Semi Final loss to St Johnstone
Home Record / consistency / poor results at home
Record v other big clubs
Balance of the squad

If he gets us 3rd place will he get any credit it will we just create a new narrative?

[jacomo]

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I don’t believe I’m naive nor am I at it. I’m just taking what the club say at face value instead of getting angry about us trying to help a player recover from a serious illness and making up stories about him not coming back.

Do you think it’s likely he will be back at Hibs next season?

[jacomo]

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Create one?

Jack Ross already has his trusted assistant and David Gray and Daz are earmarked for coaching duties.

What would Scott do? Put out the cones?

He’s been appointed as assistant at Aberdeen. That’s a much more significant role than anything we could offer him.

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dunno if mentioned already, but whats also strange that Neil McCann also had him at Dundee but Allan wasnt always in his first eleven?

[WhileTheChief..]

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There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.

I believe all those mention but still don’t think he’ll play for us again

[Allez Hibs]

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If he gets us 3rd place will he get any credit it will we just create a new narrative?

Narrative will be that we aren't that convincing, I mean we could finish 3rd with only having beaten Aberdeen once with no Hearts in the league. And no Hearts in the league is important with our record in Derbies and points dropped.

It's a funny one, statistical fans will say we have finished 3rd on merit while more pragmatic fans will look at how we play and factor in Aberdeen have been poor along with the Semi Finals.

Doesn't Kyle Magennis need game time and time to prove himself more than Scott Allan?

[Allez Hibs]

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Jack Ross already has his trusted assistant and David Gray and Daz are earmarked for coaching duties.

What would Scott do? Put out the cones?

He’s been appointed as assistant at Aberdeen. That’s a much more significant role than anything we could offer him.

Fair point 👍

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Do you think it’s likely he will be back at Hibs next season?

Yes.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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I believe all those mention but still don’t think he’ll play for us again

He might not - that’s likely due to not recovering from his condition though.

[Billy Whizz]

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dunno if mentioned already, but whats also strange that Neil McCann also had him at Dundee but Allan wasnt always in his first eleven?

He was injured for a bit at Dundee

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Narrative will be that we aren't that convincing, I mean we could finish 3rd with only having beaten Aberdeen once with no Hearts in the league. And no Hearts in the league is important with our record in Derbies and points dropped.

It's a funny one, statistical fans will say we have finished 3rd on merit while more pragmatic fans will look at how we play and factor in Aberdeen have been poor along with the Semi Finals.

Doesn't Kyle Magennis need game time and time to prove himself more than Scott Allan?

Is pragmatic what we’re calling them now?

They both need game time - would you have sent them both out on loan? I think it’s sensible to keep one and probably the younger one that’s not recovering from a major heart condition is the pragmatic call.

[Andy74]

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Do you think it’s likely he will be back at Hibs next season?

Yes he will. The only way it will end is if he comes back and then still doesn’t get back in.

[WeeRussell]

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There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.

Saved me responding 👍

There’s no need to “dress” anything up, unless you don’t trust what has come from the above parties.

Part of his recovery (hopefully) back to the top level is spending some time on loan to get playing again.

I also think he’s our best player, when fit. I have absolutely no problem with him spending a few weeks on loan if that’s what the manager and Scott think is the best way to aid his return.

If it turns out he struggles to get back to the top of his game because of everything him and his body has been through then I guess folk can come back and tell us they were right and he was never wanted by Jack Ross 👍

In the meantime, we can look forward to him getting stronger and being ready to go for a big next season.

[jacomo]

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Yes.

Well I certainly hope so. Fingers crossed.

[Since452]

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Whatever way you dress it up, Hibs have let their best player go out on loan at a critical period of the season - and now there's talk that he won't be back. The fans are quite right to moan.

Scott Allan is a player that you fit in the team, the type of player you let train when he wants, like Latapy.

Some are even saying he's now not our best player - madness.

He isn't our best player though. We haven't let Martin Boyle or Kevin Nisbet go out on loan. We're helping a player who almost had to retire and is still getting up to speed after months out get some game time at a less testing level.

[jeffers]

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Saved me responding 👍

There’s no need to “dress” anything up, unless you don’t trust what has come from the above parties.

Part of his recovery (hopefully) back to the top level is spending some time on loan to get playing again.

I also think he’s our best player, when fit. I have absolutely no problem with him spending a few weeks on loan if that’s what the manager and Scott think is the best way to aid his return.

If it turns out he struggles to get back to the top of his game because of everything him and his body has been through then I guess folk can come back and tell us they were right and he was never wanted by Jack Ross 👍

In the meantime, we can look forward to him getting stronger and being ready to go for a big next season.

My (intended) last post on this subject.

If folk choose to believe Jack Ross is always 100% honest in what he says then fair enough. I don’t. He’s not that unusual in that respect, every manager I can think of is economical with the truth if it suits them.

He didn’t want to let Scott go on loan according to him. He didn’t want to let Mallan go on loan according to him. He didn’t want to lose Oli Shaw permanently according to him. Yet where are these players now ? The final decision is Ross’, but as I’ve said before he likes to keep players on side.

For posters like me who have concerns that Ross doesn’t see Scott Allan as a big part of his future plans that could have been easily addressed. All he needed to say was he didn’t feel Scott was ready to contribute this season, but he was still a big part of his plans and would welcome him back in the summer.

[Allez Hibs]

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He isn't our best player though. We haven't let Martin Boyle or Kevin Nisbet go out on loan. We're helping a player who almost had to retire and is still getting up to speed after months out get some game time at a less testing level.

Who is our best player?

It is Scott Allan for me all day long.

[Allez Hibs]

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My (intended) last post on this subject.

If folk choose to believe Jack Ross is always 100% honest in what he says then fair enough. I don’t. He’s not that unusual in that respect, every manager I can think of is economical with the truth if it suits them.

He didn’t want to let Scott go on loan according to him. He didn’t want to let Mallan go on loan according to him. He didn’t want to lose Oli Shaw permanently according to him. Yet where are these players now ? The final decision is Ross’, but as I’ve said before he likes to keep players on side.

For posters like me who have concerns that Ross doesn’t see Scott Allan as a big part of his future plans that could have been easily addressed. All he needed to say was he didn’t feel Scott was ready to contribute this season, but he was still a big part of his plans and would welcome him back in the summer.

Well said.

[Tyler Durden]

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Narrative will be that we aren't that convincing, I mean we could finish 3rd with only having beaten Aberdeen once with no Hearts in the league. And no Hearts in the league is important with our record in Derbies and points dropped.

It's a funny one, statistical fans will say we have finished 3rd on merit while more pragmatic fans will look at how we play and factor in Aberdeen have been poor along with the Semi Finals.

Doesn't Kyle Magennis need game time and time to prove himself more than Scott Allan?

Nah I think the narrative will be that no team outside the OF has won more points than Hibs since Ross took over. Built a team with a solid defensive record this year and getting the best out of a squad that is improving every window.

How many times did Aberdeen or Motherwell beat Hibs last season? It’s irrelevant. The league table doesn’t lie.

[Since452]

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Is pragmatic what we’re calling them now?

They both need game time - would you have sent them both out on loan? I think it’s sensible to keep one and probably the younger one that’s not recovering from a major heart condition is the pragmatic call.

I think Ross would have kept both of them but one pushed for a loan. I've no reason to believe he was telling lies.

[B.H.F.C]

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I think Ross would have kept both of them but one pushed for a loan. I've no reason to believe he was telling lies.

I don’t think anybody has denied Scott Allan pushed for a loan. There are some other things that were mentioned that people are sceptical about though.