Excellent interview in the EEN.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...d-jude-3181178
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28-03-2021 12:08 PM #1
Joe Newell
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28-03-2021 12:17 PM #2
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Hes played very well for us this season. Outside chance of making the England squad this summer?
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28-03-2021 12:18 PM #3
Great interview and seems like a nice guy.
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Do you think your security can keep you in purity, you will not shake us off above or below. Scottish friction, Scottish fiction
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28-03-2021 12:21 PM #6
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England now have one of the best squads in the world.
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28-03-2021 12:58 PM #7
Most chances created per game in the hibs squad this season, and more tackles and interceptions per game than any other midfielder.
Until a week or so ago, was one of the only non old firm players in the who scored team of the season so far. (Recently got replaced by odoffin which is a bit of a surprise).
Form has dropped away a wee bit in recent weeks but extending his contract was a great bit of business imo.
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28-03-2021 02:28 PM #9
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That’s not to lay the blame solely at Newell, and you have to mitigate when he’s been part of a two up against 3 etc. However I think he’s the odd one out in midfield. A good player in his own right but not good enough in any one category to make that his role in the midfield. He plays in the same area as Gogic so those two don’t work and his introduction after injury seems to have impacted Irvine. As I say a good player, but I think he makes the midfield less than the sum of his parts. Gogic, Irvine and Murphy is our best and most balanced midfield IMO.
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28-03-2021 02:47 PM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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28-03-2021 02:53 PM #12This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Last edited by Lancs Harp; 28-03-2021 at 02:57 PM.
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28-03-2021 03:05 PM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Motherwell at home x2
Aberdeen x2
St Johnstone at home
Ross County at home
Livingston at home
St Johnstone in the cup
The midfield has looked a lot better since the additions of Irvine & Cadden. Anyway, my post was more about Newell than debating the games I felt we lost the midfield battle.
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28-03-2021 03:29 PM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It feels a bit like the same posters (me included) have debated this all season and nobody is changing their mind. Never mind let’s keep doing it anyway....
Firstly. You’ve listed virtually every game Hibs have lost or played poorly here. That somehow is directed at Newell but no other individuals? Why is that?
Second point re stats and analysis. IMO they are often dismissed on here far too casually. Assists for example is actually a stat that can be misleading but is actually valued by many on this board.
However what Fergus52 detailed is the WhoScored scoring of each player. For Newell that includes interceptions, tackles, pass completion, chances created. It’s entirely objective. I’m interested as to why exactly this only tells “part of the story”? It measures all the things a midfielder needs to do. Newell excels at all of them against his peers in the league. It’s an unbiased view which shows how good he is. It can’t really be argued with IMO.
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28-03-2021 03:49 PM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Hasn't quite worked the last few weeks but I still think a midfield with Newall, Irvine and Gogic in it could do well in the right system/formation.
Don't think the bit in bold is fair, you listed a few games where the whole team performance was bad, we never lost the midfield battle in those games just due to Newell. To counter that you can look at games like Motherwell and Hamilton away, when Hallberg was bombing forward in a 442 and Newell was the only deep player in midfield pretty much single handedly winning us the midfield battle. Campbell was completely in his back pocket that match, lost count of the amount of times Newell dispossed him.
You're right stats don't tell the full story, but plenty nonsense gets posted about Newell that those stats help to address. Posters say he does nothing defensively and lets games pass him by, but he wins more tackles and interceptions than Gogic. Posters say that he never plays the ball forward and always needlessly passes back to defenders, but he has created more chances per game than any other player in our squad this season.
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28-03-2021 04:02 PM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
These stats are a tool to help analyse the game, not the full picture.
It’s like people quoting xG as if that’s all that needs to be said. It isn’t.
Newell has done well this season and I am happy he’s signed a new deal but there is still a valid discussion to be had about how he fits into our best 11.
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28-03-2021 04:05 PM #18
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I would say there are too many posters looking at in game statistics and not focusing on results.
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28-03-2021 04:10 PM #21
Newell or Irvine seems to be a popular debate on here.
Personally I would start Newell and choose between either Irvine or Gogic depending on opposition & other factors.
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Take the chances created one as an example. What constitutes a chance? He’s only got three assists which suggests, to me, that he’s not overly creative. Either that or he’s been extremely unlucky that nobody has put away all those chances he’s created.
And I think it works both ways. Take Doidge, his stats for a striker must be rubbish but people will tell you how good a job he does for the team.
I think there is a place for stats but would always trust my eyes over stats when judging a player.
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28-03-2021 04:23 PM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
On the games I listed. Those were games I felt the midfield, including Newell, struggled in. There were others like Killie opening day or the 3-2 win v Hamilton etc where I felt the midfield (and the team, but this thread is about Newell/the midfield) struggled for large parts within the game. I didn’t include them as wasn’t trying to go over and above with negative examples.
On the stats, they are of course important. However they show that Newell makes more tackles and interceptions than anyone else, while also creating the most chances. Those stats would appear to show that Newell is our best defensive midfielder as well as out most creative one. However I’d not make a case for Newell in either category or have him in defensive midfield before Gogic or attacking midfield before Murphy. I think Gogic & Irvine can play together, but it doesn’t really work Newell playing with either or both. As I say, a good but inconsistent player, but I think he makes the midfield less than the sum of its parts despite his ability.
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28-03-2021 04:28 PM #30This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I agree that there is a discussion to be had about how he fits into the best 11.
I don’t agree with posts that say he’s inconsistent. At this level he is very consistent this season.
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