Scott Allan goes on loan

**Greenio** · 28-03-2021 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Lovethehibs

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Nope some things dont need scrutinised, the guy has been out for months with a serious illness, he needs games, we aren't in a position to give gim that just now, he asked to go out on loan as he doesn't think he is at the level required get, not sure what the big deal is?

I'm not scrutinising it, just discussing it and I've never said there was a big deal.

This is turning into one of those threads so I'm ducking out

If Scott Allan plays again for Hibs, everyone has permission to come back on here and wag your finger if you like. Until then, know that all those clambering to shoot down a personal opinion have exactly the same amount of insight as I do as to how all this will unfold, which is two fifths of hee haw!

**B.H.F.C** · 28-03-2021 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

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Worth a read on what Allan has to say regrading the move here.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/spor...mpression=true

Pretty much what I’d expect. Interestingly, no mention from him that he didn’t feel he could contribute at our level.

***Hibbyradge*** · 28-03-2021 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

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Pretty much what I’d expect. Interestingly, no mention from him that he didn’t feel he could contribute at our level.

"I’m not able to get bounce games with Hibs at the moment and only got some appearances here and there so I need to get considerable minutes under my belt."

I wonder ehy he needs minutes under his belt?

**B.H.F.C** · 28-03-2021 10:41 AM

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"I’m not able to get bounce games with Hibs at the moment and only got some appearances here and there so I need to get considerable minutes under my belt."

I wonder ehy he needs minutes under his belt?

He needs minutes regardless of the level he’s playing at.

He’s not getting them Hibs, the only option for him is the championship. I merely disagree with what has been suggested about him not feeling he could compete at our level. It’s about opportunity to do so.

***Hibbyradge*** · 28-03-2021 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

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He needs minutes regardless of the level he’s playing at.

He’s not getting them Hibs, the only option for him is the championship. I merely disagree with what has been suggested about him not feeling he could compete at our level. It’s about opportunity to do so.

It's what he said to Jack Ross. I can't think of a single reason not to believe that.

If JR had decided he wasn't fit enough, he'd say that he'd been loaned out because he's not fit enough. That would be explanation enough. He wouldn't make up words and put them in the player's mouth.

He's going to be criticised by disappointed/paranoid/anti-JR fans anyway so why lie?

**B.H.F.C** · 28-03-2021 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

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It's what he said to Jack Ross. I can't think of a single reason not to believe that.

If JR had decided he wasn't fit enough, he'd say that he'd been loaned out because he's not fit enough. That would be explanation enough. He wouldn't make up words and put them in the player's mouth.

He's going to be criticised by disappointed/paranoid/anti-JR fans anyway so why lie?

You can tell Ross doesn’t think he’s capable of contributing by the way he’s used, or not used, him since he came back.

That’s his call, he watches him every day and may well think he’s miles off it. The only other explanation for not giving him more minutes is that he doesn’t rate him (which I don’t think is the case).

I don’t think many, if any, managers tell the whole truth all the time.

***Hibbyradge*** · 28-03-2021 11:04 AM

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You can tell Ross doesn’t think he’s capable of contributing by the way he’s used, or not used, him since he came back.

That’s his call, he watches him every day and may well think he’s miles off it. The only other explanation for not giving him more minutes is that he doesn’t rate him (which I don’t think is the case).

I don’t think many, if any, managers tell the whole truth all the time.

That may all be true, but why don't you believe that Scott feels the same way, as we've been told?

***jacomo*** · 28-03-2021 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

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That may all be true, but why don't you believe that Scott feels the same way, as we've been told?

Is this the hill you’re going to die on? Really?

Clubs rarely loan out 29 year old players because they are planning an integral role for them next season.

Scott’s future at Hibs looks a lot less certain now, but I’d be delighted to be wrong about this.

**B.H.F.C** · 28-03-2021 11:13 AM

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That may all be true, but why don't you believe that Scott feels the same way, as we've been told?

If I hear it from him, I’ll believe it.

I think it’s a simple case of a player being frustrated at not getting on the pitch and wanting to go and play elsewhere.

I think the comments from Ross are to look after Allan, and his relationship with Allan, rather than just come out and and publicly say he doesn’t feel he’s up to it just now.

***Allant1981*** · 28-03-2021 11:14 AM

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Is this the hill you’re going to die on? Really?

Clubs rarely loan out 29 year old players because they are planning an integral role for them next season.

Scott’s future at Hibs looks a lot less certain now, but I’d be delighted to be wrong about this.

How many clubs have 29 year old come back after a serious heart complication and can't afford to give game time due to no reserve games

**~~MWHIBBIES~~** · 28-03-2021 11:19 AM

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Is this the hill you’re going to die on? Really?

Clubs rarely loan out 29 year old players because they are planning an integral role for them next season.

Scott’s future at Hibs looks a lot less certain now, but I’d be delighted to be wrong about this.

Bit of a unique situation with his heart condition and diabetes.

***hibee-boys*** · 28-03-2021 11:20 AM

Some people are over-thinking this. Scott was not going to play an active part in the run in, he’s far more likely to get match minutes at Inverness than at Hibs. I’d imagine for Scott’s peace of mind more than anything he’ll be wanting to test himself in game conditions. Hopefully we’ll see a more sharp, match fit Scott Allan back at Hibs ready to contribute at the beginning of next season after a pre-season and, probably more importantly, a run of match minutes in friendly and league cup games.

***Hibbyradge*** · 28-03-2021 11:29 AM

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Is this the hill you’re going to die on? Really?

Clubs rarely loan out 29 year old players because they are planning an integral role for them next season.

Scott’s future at Hibs looks a lot less certain now, but I’d be delighted to be wrong about this.

Ha ha. It's only a question, not a hill.

But you have a point. I don't know why I'm putting so much effort into this. Abject lockdown boredom maybe.

Having said that (can't resist), clubs don't usually have players recovering from heart conditions.

***basehibby*** · 28-03-2021 11:45 AM

I really have no idea what level of contribution Scott would have made at Hibs over the rest of the season, but I admire his determination and resolution to get some games under his belt as the next stage of his recovery. From his point of view that's the most important thing and you really can't blame him - he must be desperate to get back on the pitch having had no choice but to watch from the sidelines for the last year or so while spending much of it wondering if he would ever play again!

These days though, loan moves are increasingly common and they happen for all kinds of reasons. Whereas not long ago a senior player going out on loan would be a surefire sign they were on their way out, these days, with no reserve league, it's increasingly common for players to be loaned out to get match fitness levels up and that's what Scott is doing here. I therefore wish him a happy stay in the Highlands in the hope he will get right into his stride and be back in a Hibs shirt next season.

***flash*** · 28-03-2021 12:10 PM

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If I hear it from him, I’ll believe it.

I think it’s a simple case of a player being frustrated at not getting on the pitch and wanting to go and play elsewhere.

I think the comments from Ross are to look after Allan, and his relationship with Allan, rather than just come out and and publicly say he doesn’t feel he’s up to it just now.

Listen to his post match interview on ICT TV. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

**~~Allez Hibs~~** · 28-03-2021 12:12 PM

We have a very tricky Scottish Cup tie away at Queen of the South next weekend. Thinking if we get through that and got a favourable draw v a lower league team that might have been an ideal game for Scott Allan to play in. I will refrain from criticising the manager and club but I'd liked to have seen Scott Allan stay at the club for the run in just in case we get a bad injury or a suspension. Really hope this isn't the end of the road for Scott Allan at Hibs.

We are in a very good position just now but if you'd been told at the start of the season Scott Allan would be playing for Inverness you'd have thought no chance.

Also, were Hibs ever in for Scott Brown? Have the club missed a trick here? The more I think of it the more I think we should have signed him.

***Hibbyradge*** · 28-03-2021 12:15 PM

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Listen to his post match interview on ICT TV. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Where can I find that?

**B.H.F.C** · 28-03-2021 12:16 PM

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Listen to his post match interview on ICT TV. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Does he say that he didn’t think he could contribute at Premiership level in it?

***Hibbyradge*** · 28-03-2021 12:19 PM

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Does he say that he didn’t think he could contribute at Premiership level in it?

If Flash answers "yes" to that question, why would you prefer to believe him rather than the manager?

**B.H.F.C** · 28-03-2021 12:25 PM

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If Flash answers "yes" to that question, why would you prefer to believe him rather than the manager?

He won’t answer yes because Allan doesn’t say it.

***Hibbyradge*** · 28-03-2021 12:31 PM

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He won’t answer yes because Allan doesn’t say it.

Maybe so, but I don't understand why you think the manager is lying when there is absolutely no reason to.

I know you won't answer, but I really have to duck out, now anyway. What's left of my mental health is suffering!

**B.H.F.C** · 28-03-2021 12:34 PM

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Maybe so, but I don't understand why you think the manager is lying when there is absolutely no reason to.

I know you won't answer, but I really have to duck out, now anyway. What's left of my mental health is suffering!

I posted earlier in the thread, in response to you, why I think he’s said what he has.

***Hibbyradge*** · 28-03-2021 12:38 PM

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I posted earlier in the thread, in response to you, why I think he’s said what he has.

"I tried to get out, but you dragged me back in!"

Apologies, I missed your reply.

***Jim44*** · 28-03-2021 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

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.......Also, were Hibs ever in for Scott Brown? Have the club missed a trick here? The more I think of it the more I think we should have signed him......

For what it’s worth, I heard that Brown’s agent was touting him around a few clubs, including us. My purely personal guess, is that JR is using available budget to secure ongoing deals, which might have been weakened by the financing of a very expensive deal with Brown.

***Billy Whizz*** · 28-03-2021 01:03 PM

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For what it’s worth, I heard that Brown’s agent was touting him around a few clubs, including us. My purely personal guess, is that JR is using available budget to secure ongoing deals, which might have been weakened by the financing of a very expensive deal with Brown.

No idea Jim, but it looks like he was wanting a role that included coaching duties, and there was nothing available at Hibs

**FitbaFolkKen** · 28-03-2021 01:06 PM

Hibs have handled Scott’s situation really well, kept it private and supported him throughout the last year.

Why anyone thinks this part of the recovery process would be any different is beyond me.

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**~~Weegreenman~~** · 28-03-2021 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Greenio

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I'm not scrutinising it, just discussing it and I've never said there was a big deal.

This is turning into one of those threads so I'm ducking out

If Scott Allan plays again for Hibs, everyone has permission to come back on here and wag your finger if you like. Until then, know that all those clambering to shoot down a personal opinion have exactly the same amount of insight as I do as to how all this will unfold, which is two fifths of hee haw!

I don’t think he’ll be back unfortunately.