What's the chances of fans going back in September?

[hibbysam]

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And where are we just now exactly? We’re still officially in lockdown. This extended lockdown has brought the numbers down. It all went tits up after things were lifted far too quickly last summer and into the autumn. You keep mentioning it should be all systems go once everybody has been vaccinated. We don’t know the full positive impact from the vaccines yet until the restrictions are eased. I’ll wait for the results from that before I’m banging any doors down just because a year’s too long.

Officially we might be, but it’s clearer by the day that less and less people are obeying the rules. So it’s working during a lockdown, so let’s just remain locked down, that way everything will be rosey. Just because it’s fine for you doesn’t mean it’s fine for everyone else.

Suicide was already on the rise pre Covid. It’s a near certainty that’s accelerated everything. Mental health is low enough without the complete cluster**** that is the economy now it’s been absolutely obliterated. If your happy to sit around waiting on the day that might never come fair enough.

If the vaccine doesn’t have a positive impact then I’m afraid they’re having an absolute shocker forcing everyone to get it. And what if the vaccine isn’t all it’s made out to be? What if it doesn’t work? That was the way out, do we just not come out?

[tamig]

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Officially we might be, but it’s clearer by the day that less and less people are obeying the rules. So it’s working during a lockdown, so let’s just remain locked down, that way everything will be rosey. Just because it’s fine for you doesn’t mean it’s fine for everyone else.

Suicide was already on the rise pre Covid. It’s a near certainty that’s accelerated everything. Mental health is low enough without the complete cluster**** that is the economy now it’s been absolutely obliterated. If your happy to sit around waiting on the day that might never come fair enough.

If the vaccine doesn’t have a positive impact then I’m afraid they’re having an absolute shocker forcing everyone to get it. And what if the vaccine isn’t all it’s made out to be? What if it doesn’t work? That was the way out, do we just not come out?

You’re twisting things spectacularly. And maybe missing the point. I don’t see anybody saying lets keep everyone locked down permanently. What a ridiculous thought. People are just taking a bit more of a sensible view than your gung ho big bang approach. That ain’t ever happening. And it would be lunacy to even contemplate it.

[bingo70]

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You’re twisting things spectacularly. And maybe missing the point. I don’t see anybody saying lets keep everyone locked down permanently. What a ridiculous thought. People are just taking a bit more of a sensible view than your gung ho big bang approach. That ain’t ever happening. And it would be lunacy to even contemplate it.

If the vaccine isn’t a success how long do you think it is feasible to keep people in lock down for before people start breaking?

I think we’re at that point now so the vaccine needs to work or we need to open up anyway. We can’t continue living this way.

[hibbysam]

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You’re twisting things spectacularly. And maybe missing the point. I don’t see anybody saying lets keep everyone locked down permanently. What a ridiculous thought. People are just taking a bit more of a sensible view than your gung ho big bang approach. That ain’t ever happening. And it would be lunacy to even contemplate it.

I’m talking once the vaccine has rolled out to everyone, by the summer we’re told. There should be no need for restrictions. Your saying we need to wait to see the success of it, how long do we wait? If it isn’t a success then what? If it isn’t a success then surely we can’t come out of lockdowns? So it may be permanent. Not as ridiculous as you say.

[tamig]

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If the vaccine isn’t a success how long do you think it is feasible to keep people in lock down for before people start breaking?

I think we’re at that point now so the vaccine needs to work or we need to open up anyway. We can’t continue living this way.

Who’s saying keep people locked down? I’m saying restrictions should be eased in a sensible manner. Not in the way sam was proposing.

[hibbysam]

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Who’s saying keep people locked down? I’m saying restrictions should be eased in a sensible manner. Not in the way sam was proposing.

Why would you ease restrictions if the vaccine doesn’t work? If Covid isn’t eradicated and the vaccine isn’t a success then what? If the vaccine is a success then there is no need for lockdowns and restrictions. You want people to continue to have to wear masks and socially distance come the summer, I don’t, it’s hardly a huge leap if the vaccine works.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Why would you ease restrictions if the vaccine doesn’t work? If Covid isn’t eradicated and the vaccine isn’t a success then what? If the vaccine is a success then there is no need for lockdowns and restrictions. You want people to continue to have to wear masks and socially distance come the summer, I don’t, it’s hardly a huge leap if the vaccine works.

There will be no lockdown by July, but there will still be restrictions, or guidance if you prefer, to wear face coverings and keep yourself safe by avoiding others in the way we have got used to. Easier here in the country rather than the cities.

[bingo70]

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There will be no lockdown by July, but there will still be restrictions, or guidance if you prefer, to wear face coverings and keep yourself safe by avoiding others in the way we have got used to. Easier here in the country rather than the cities.

That’s fine but what about people’s livelihoods that relies on people getting close together like we used to?

Pubs, nightclubs, restaurants, full football stadiums, concerts etc.....

It’s not feasible to return to normal but keep the restrictions or guidelines we have in place at present. Keeping socially distant in the above situations is not possible.

Granted wearing masks is and if that’s just a thing going forward now then fine, ive no issues with that. The idea we can return to normal but maintain social distancing guidelines simply isn’t practical IMO.

Once people are vaccinated we need to be treating it the same way we do about the flu. Unfortunately people die because of that but the world can’t stop because of it.

[Moulin Yarns]

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That’s fine but what about people’s livelihoods that relies on people getting close together like we used to?

Pubs, nightclubs, restaurants, full football stadiums, concerts etc.....

It’s not feasible to return to normal but keep the restrictions or guidelines we have in place at present. Keeping socially distant in the above situations is not possible.

Granted wearing masks is and if that’s just a thing going forward now then fine, ive no issues with that. The idea we can return to normal but maintain social distancing guidelines simply isn’t practical IMO.

Once people are vaccinated we need to be treating it the same way we do about the flu. Unfortunately people die because of that but the world can’t stop because of it.

What I said is how I see it in July. I know of events being planned for August and September that will still allow for more space / less people. Outside music festivals in glen Cannich over 8 weekends 200 each weekend with glamping set apart, indoor yarn festival with limited numbers but longer opening hours.

[AugustaHibs]

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What I said is how I see it in July. I know of events being planned for August and September that will still allow for more space / less people. Outside music festivals in glen Cannich over 8 weekends 200 each weekend with glamping set apart, indoor yarn festival with limited numbers but longer opening hours.

That isn’t feasible in the long run though

[Moulin Yarns]

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That isn’t feasible in the long run though

Who is talking about the long run? You guys that are saying that lockdown has to stop now are not being realistic. The events I mention are both planning for the immediate future, not next week or even next year. In a years time we all hope things are closer to what we had in 2019. What we don't have is any say in what restrictions will still be required. I think that those wanting full football stadia in July and August are deluded.

[hibbysam]

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Who is talking about the long run? You guys that are saying that lockdown has to stop now are not being realistic. The events I mention are both planning for the immediate future, not next week or even next year. In a years time we all hope things are closer to what we had in 2019. What we don't have is any say in what restrictions will still be required. I think that those wanting full football stadia in July and August are deluded.

Why is it delusional? Again, if the vaccine is the saviour then everything should be fine. If it’s not and it doesn’t work, then what? It very well would be the long run if the reason for restrictions is the unknown outcome of the vaccine. No one is talking about today, we’re all talking about once the rollout is complete.

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Okay so social distancing etc might not affect you but it definitely affects a large number of people..

I can only speak for myself, and although it may mean less crowded restaurants/pubs and reduced profit or higher prices, I'm not convinced wearing a mask and keeping a bit away from other folk would have a hugely adverse effect on large numbers.

But presumably it has an affect on you.

[ancient hibee]

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I can only speak for myself, and although it may mean less crowded restaurants/pubs and reduced profit or higher prices, I'm not convinced wearing a mask and keeping a bit away from other folk would have a hugely adverse effect on large numbers.

But presumably it has an affect on you.

Well clearly it will have an effect on large numbers as it’s designed to turn them into small numbers.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Why is it delusional? Again, if the vaccine is the saviour then everything should be fine. If it’s not and it doesn’t work, then what? It very well would be the long run if the reason for restrictions is the unknown outcome of the vaccine. No one is talking about today, we’re all talking about once the rollout is complete.

I doubt that any expert has ever said, or even suggested that the vaccine is the saviour, as you put it. The vaccine, along with the FACTS advice are just tools in the battle to control a global pandemic.

[oldbutdim]

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Well clearly it will have an effect on large numbers as it’s designed to turn them into small numbers.

That's quite clever!

[hibbysam]

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I doubt that any expert has ever said, or even suggested that the vaccine is the saviour, as you put it. The vaccine, along with the FACTS advice are just tools in the battle to control a global pandemic.

Its been widely reported by multiple politicians that the vaccine is our ‘route out of the pandemic’.

[AugustaHibs]

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Its been widely reported by multiple politicians that the vaccine is our ‘route out of the pandemic’.

‘Silver bullet’ is another term that’s been used my major politicians and scientists.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Its been widely reported by multiple politicians that the vaccine is our ‘route out of the pandemic’.

It's almost like I didn't say experts 🤔

The vaccine only protects against the current variants, only to the extent of people unlikely to be severely ill

[hibbysam]

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‘Silver bullet’ is another term that’s been used my major politicians and scientists.

I’m severely worried if they’re still not sure that the vaccine will work months down the line and still pushing everyone to get it. Surely if they weren’t sure then they would take stock, test properly and ensure they weren’t wasting millions upon millions of pounds on a vaccine that doesn’t work.

If it does work then once everyone is vaccinated there is no reason for restrictions.

Call me daft, or deluded, I can’t see anything wrong with that.

[hibbysam]

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It's almost like I didn't say experts 🤔

The vaccine only protects against the current variants, only to the extent of people unlikely to be severely ill

Are you saying that the politicians (and certain experts btw) are just giving false promises? Interesting.

Surely that’s what we want? People not to be severely ill? Or are we waiting until there is zero Covid? Could be a while 😂

[danhibees1875]

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If it does work then once everyone is vaccinated there is no reason for restrictions.

Call me daft, or deluded, I can’t see anything wrong with that.

I think that's more or less what will happen, and is what we're collectively aiming for.

They just can't guarantee the extent to which the vaccine will work at the moment. There's nothing wrong with discussion of alternative scenarios to the best case one.

[hibbysam]

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I think that's more or less what will happen, and is what we're collectively aiming for.

They just can't guarantee the extent to which the vaccine will work at the moment. There's nothing wrong with discussion of alternative scenarios to the best case one.

Exactly why I asked, what if it doesn’t work? What if new variants come along and its rendered useless? Going by the replies that’s a possibility, then what? You’d need some amount of patience to be right back at square 1.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I’m severely worried if they’re still not sure that the vaccine will work months down the line and still pushing everyone to get it. Surely if they weren’t sure then they would take stock, test properly and ensure they weren’t wasting millions upon millions of pounds on a vaccine that doesn’t work.

If it does work then once everyone is vaccinated there is no reason for restrictions.

Call me daft, or deluded, I can’t see anything wrong with that.

What happens when the virus mutates to the stage where vaccination is ineffective? 6 months of lockdown until the labs create a new vaccine?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Exactly why I asked, what if it doesn’t work? What if new variants come along and its rendered useless? Going by the replies that’s a possibility, then what? You’d need some amount of patience to be right back at square 1.

Unless we all agree that full opening up is not possible, and face coverings and some level of social distance is adhered to then the virus will continue to be a problem to a greater or lesser extent.

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Unless we all agree that full opening up is not possible, and face coverings and some level of social distance is adhered to then the virus will continue to be a problem to a greater or lesser extent.

So how long would you be happy to do this for?

[hibbysam]

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What happens when the virus mutates to the stage where vaccination is ineffective? 6 months of lockdown until the labs create a new vaccine?

Unless the virus is eradicated (UK isn’t planning on that) then that’s a risk regardless. Doesn’t matter what we do, we’re going to be living with it, that was always the plan from the beginning (see Jason Leitch’s comments on it becoming a ‘common flu type virus’).

[Moulin Yarns]

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So how long would you be happy to do this for?

I'll be happy to have the level system to control the spread for as long as necessary. If the incentive is there to behave and not go spreading the virus then people should be happy to do the right thing. The plan as I understand it is to eventually have the whole country in levels 1 and 0 which is as close as possible to 2019.

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Exactly why I asked, what if it doesn’t work? What if new variants come along and its rendered useless? Going by the replies that’s a possibility, then what? You’d need some amount of patience to be right back at square 1.

It wouldn't be square 1 thankfully.

We have the processes in place and the building blocks of the vaccine that would all mean we could get a new vaccine out to tackle variants or any issues with waning immunity quite quickly. We also have the infrastructure set up and we know who needs prioritised etc.
We also have testing infrastructure and basic understanding of the virus to a much higher level than we did at square 1.

It would obviously be frustrating to go back the way or stand still, but if the alternative was to just act as normal then I don't think there's any other choice.

[CockneyRebel]

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So how long would you be happy to do this for?

Speaking for myself....as long as it takes. I don't enjoy any of the restrictions or requirements but I quite enjoy being alive.