Brexit - What Now.

[Lendo]

I will never be able to fathom how the fishing industry, worth only 0.02% to the UK’s economy ended up becoming one of the biggest Brexit issues.

[Bristolhibby]

Fishermen learning the hard way that it takes two to tango.

A buyer and a seller.

They improved their lot as a seller (catch more apparently) but at the expense of having limited access to their buyers (the EU market).

The EU who eat lots of the fish that live in U.K. waters.

Ironically the fish we eat (haddock and cod) live in Norwegian waters, which we now can’t fish in as we have no fishing deal with Norway.

You couldn’t write this.

Fishermen need to admit they have been shafted and get onboard the Indy bus, first stop EU membership.

J

[Hibrandenburg]

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I will never be able to fathom how the fishing industry, worth only 0.02% to the UK’s economy ended up becoming one of the biggest Brexit issues.

It became a main battlefield because the pro Brexit side knew they could create an emotional response by painting a picture of EU pirates pillaging our sovereign waters. Of course, as we are now seeing it was all bull**** but it got the job done by creating outrage amongst the hard of thinking. Same applies for immigration and the NHS being the other 2 areas they abused to create outrage and convince people they were being robbed. Outrage is what populists thrive on.

[Jones28]

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Fishermen learning the hard way that it takes two to tango.

A buyer and a seller.

They improved their lot as a seller (catch more apparently) but at the expense of having limited access to their buyers (the EU market).

The EU who eat lots of the fish that live in U.K. waters.

Ironically the fish we eat (haddock and cod) live in Norwegian waters, which we now can’t fish in as we have no fishing deal with Norway.

You couldn’t write this.

Fishermen need to admit they have been shafted and get onboard the Indy bus, first stop EU membership.

J

I won't hold my breath.

I don't want an industry to fail, but I won't lose much sleep over the boat captains who supported brexit suffering as a result. The crews? Thats where my sympathy is. Even so, the captains were lied to the same as everyone else who voted for Brexit; they weren't (AFAIK) privy to any additional information.

Once Brexit bites other industries I hope to see support for independence soar, the problem we have now (as Independence supporters) is that as soon as the Scottish government points any of this out they will be blasted for putting independence before COVID - which is of course utter nonsense when we take in to account how much energy has been put into the crises by NS and the SG.

[lapsedhibee]

Who'd ever have thought that disaster capitalism would have been a thing after Brexit? And particularly that that nice man Tim Wetherspoon might be involved in it?

[cabbageandribs1875]

[Just Alf]

Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat'

She says she was surprised, people have been saying this would happen from day 1!

[Kato]

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Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat'

She says she was surprised, people have been saying this would happen from day 1!

Remember all that silly red tape when we were members though.

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[ronaldo7]

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Fishermen learning the hard way that it takes two to tango.

A buyer and a seller.

They improved their lot as a seller (catch more apparently) but at the expense of having limited access to their buyers (the EU market).

The EU who eat lots of the fish that live in U.K. waters.

Ironically the fish we eat (haddock and cod) live in Norwegian waters, which we now can’t fish in as we have no fishing deal with Norway.

You couldn’t write this.

Fishermen need to admit they have been shafted and get onboard the Indy bus, first stop EU membership.

J

They might after this.

https://twitter.com/DeidreBrock/stat...25750011752449

Further down the thread, a meat exporter is gutted(no pun intended) about his load of pork rotting in Rotterdam

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55735980

The Government in England don't seem to want to bother about anyone exporting to the EU at the moment.

[Jones28]

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They might after this.

https://twitter.com/DeidreBrock/stat...25750011752449

Further down the thread, a meat exporter is gutted(no pun intended) about his load of pork rotting in Rotterdam

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55735980

The Government in England don't seem to want to bother about anyone exporting to the EU at the moment.

What a ****ing disgrace.

[Radium]

Wow,

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/...014199810?s=21


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[CloudSquall]

There is a perverse part of me that would love nothing better than to see true blue, loyal to the cause, no surrender Jimmy Buchan sweating it out as he tries to desperately continue to defend the Brexit deal as more and more **** hits the fan.


(For those that don't know he's the Tory brexiteer trawlerman from Peterhead that was on a TV show more than a few years ago who was hailing Brexit as the return to the glory days of trawling).

[Bristolhibby]

Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...32tyDAWs9zmGSw

[lapsedhibee]

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Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...32tyDAWs9zmGSw

It's the only thing it's ever done successfully - campaign to leave the EU. So, if you can't get anything else right, why not just carry on doing that.

[Glory Lurker]

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Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...32tyDAWs9zmGSw

It is evidence that the UK government are a bunch of children. Pathetic. It's not set in stone yet so here's hoping they take a tumble to themselves and behave like a responsible administration on this (they clearly won't manage that generally).

[Hibrandenburg]

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Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...32tyDAWs9zmGSw

I'd imagine the thinking behind it is to force individual EU nations to deal with the UK government as single sovereign countries rather than a unified block of nations. They're probably hoping to open up cracks in the EU's unity and therefore weaken their position at the negotiating table.

[neil7908]

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I'd imagine the thinking behind it is to force individual EU nations to deal with the UK government as single sovereign countries rather than a unified block of nations. They're probably hoping to open up cracks in the EU's unity and therefore weaken their position at the negotiating table.

I honestly think it's more simple than that - it's just petty vindictiveness. They want to bring down the EU and now we are out, there are no restraints. I'm expecting plenty more of this to come.

[Future17]

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Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...32tyDAWs9zmGSw

I'm very much anti-Brexit but I think, now we are where we are, this is the right thing to do. I don't think it's in our interest to do things differently.

[Jones28]

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I'd imagine the thinking behind it is to force individual EU nations to deal with the UK government as single sovereign countries rather than a unified block of nations. They're probably hoping to open up cracks in the EU's unity and therefore weaken their position at the negotiating table.

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I honestly think it's more simple than that - it's just petty vindictiveness. They want to bring down the EU and now we are out, there are no restraints. I'm expecting plenty more of this to come.

I think there a middle ground between these two points. I honestly don't think anyone in this government is clever enough to come to Hibrandenburgs' conclusion themselves and that it started off as what neil7908 suggests, but now they're seeing what it's doing they'll double down.

[McSwanky]

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Wow,

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/...014199810?s=21


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Wow indeed. Lucky them, eh? **** Scotland though, they can suck it up. Bloody Jocks.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Wow indeed. Lucky them, eh? **** Scotland though, they can suck it up. Bloody Jocks.

He's basically now telling NI that the situation they find themselves in is the best position to be in. Isn’t that what we all had before Brexit?

[Mon Dieu4]

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He's basically now telling NI that the situation they find themselves in is the best position to be in. Isn’t that what we all had before Brexit?

I like the Irish, nothing against them but getting special treatment because of the overriding threat of violence sticks in my craw

[Jones28]

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Wow,

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/...014199810?s=21


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Telling NI they are in the optimum position because they have unfettered access to the UK and the EU, yet when Scotland asked for the same we were dismissed like a naughty child.

[Jones28]

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I like the Irish, nothing against them but getting special treatment because of the overriding threat of violence sticks in my craw

I do agree to an extent, but the recent historical context does make me think it's fair on balance.

[Hibrandenburg]

HGV restrictions have now been "temporarily" lifted due to Brexit and Covid. EU regulations put in place to ensure drivers aren't being forced to drive whilst fatigued have now been changed so that drivers can now drive up to 11 hours per day and work 60 hours a week. I for one doubt these safety measures will ever be reintroduced.

[Ozyhibby]

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I do agree to an extent, but the recent historical context does make me think it's fair on balance.

It’s not fair at all. Either we are all the same or we are not? How can one part of the union have more rights than other parts? Why should we be second class citizens?


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[Ozyhibby]

SNP the only party sticking up for Scotland again.


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[Jones28]

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It’s not fair at all. Either we are all the same or we are not? How can one part of the union have more rights than other parts? Why should we be second class citizens?


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Because people were killed in NI within my lifetime because of the troubles. I'm trying to look at it on balance and I don't know when the last person was killed over an England/Scotland border dispute.

On the fairness of it to the other parts of the UK though I do think it should be extended to those parts of the UK that want it too.

But we can't do that because we voted to leave the club.

****ing Brexit.

[Ozyhibby]

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Because people were killed in NI within my lifetime because of the troubles. I'm trying to look at it on balance and I don't know when the last person was killed over an England/Scotland border dispute.

On the fairness of it to the other parts of the UK though I do think it should be extended to those parts of the UK that want it too.

But we can't do that because we voted to leave the club.

****ing Brexit.

Give it time. If the UK take away democracy in Scotland then that will be a green light to the nutcases.


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[neil7908]

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I think there a middle ground between these two points. I honestly don't think anyone in this government is clever enough to come to Hibrandenburgs' conclusion themselves and that it started off as what neil7908 suggests, but now they're seeing what it's doing they'll double down.

You might be onto something.