Coronavirus

[Sir David Gray]

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They revised the way they counted the deaths by introducing the 28 day criteria so difficult to compare now and then

I know but England changed that almost 5 months ago, I was just meaning that they've not been recording 1000 deaths per day for the last couple of weeks.

[degenerated]

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I know but England changed that almost 5 months ago, I was just meaning that they've not been recording 1000 deaths per day for the last couple of weeks.

Didn't it change up here too? I was just curious to know how comparable the situation was with April/May as given the increased testing we can't compare that.

The only thing I can think of is the UCL covid app has about 730k cases predicted whereas at the first peak I'm sure they reckoned 2 million plus (i might be wrong as I've drunk a fairly impressive amount of beer since then)

[Sir David Gray]

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Didn't it change up here too? I was just curious to know how comparable the situation was with April/May as given the increased testing we can't compare that.

The only thing I can think of is the UCL covid app has about 730k cases predicted whereas at the first peak I'm sure they reckoned 2 million plus (i might be wrong as I've drunk a fairly impressive amount of beer since then)

I'm pretty sure it was just England that used to record the death of everyone who had ever tested positive as a Covid death regardless of how long it had been between test and death.

I believe the rest of the UK was always using the 28 days measurement but I might be wrong.

[Santa Cruz]

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I'm pretty sure it was just England that used to record the death of everyone who had ever tested positive as a Covid death regardless of how long it had been between test and death.

I believe the rest of the UK was always using the 28 days measurement but I might be wrong.

Think you're right. Scotland changed the way they counted hospital patients as I think 100's were being counted as suspected when they were initially treated for suspected covid but still in hospital for another health reason (I think).

[degenerated]

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Think you're right. Scotland changed the way they counted hospital patients as I think 100's were being counted as suspected when they were initially treated for suspected covid but still in hospital for another health reason (I think).

Thats right, just checked and we always had the 28 day bit, which others have since adopted. It was the community deaths being added that was the change up here.

[oconnors_strip]

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When were you due to get yours? I'm supposed to be getting my 2nd one next Thursday and not had mine cancelled yet

28th January at Lauriston. Most of my colleagues with 2nd Apts have had the same text. There is an internal email address if you have any questions, message me if you need it.

[The Rebel]

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That is pretty much what I am doing. If anyone is coming the other way I stand to the side and leave plenty space. Got snookered today as the dog is in heat and the lady walking her dog didn't have a collar or a lead on her randy boy dog. There went social distancing as she manhandled her dog away from my dog who was sitting quietly to avoid any unwanted insertion.

Amongst all the anxiety of what we’ve come through and what we’ve still to face for however many months ahead, the closing part of your last sentence made me laugh out loud. Maybe we should start a quote of the week thread where the top lines or posts across hibs.net forums can be shared. You win this week. Hands down. Or in keeping with your post content, bum down. Thanks for cheering me up..

[Callum_62]

Wee interview from an ex colleague based in NZ

https://www.webworm.co/p/vaccine

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[Santa Cruz]

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Wee interview from an ex colleague based in NZ

https://www.webworm.co/p/vaccine

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Good read.

[Ozyhibby]

Public Health England not working Sundays on vaccination programme? That better not be the case in Scotland?


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[Allant1981]

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28th January at Lauriston. Most of my colleagues with 2nd Apts have had the same text. There is an internal email address if you have any questions, message me if you need it.

Strange, I've just asked some of the guys I work with if they have had anything and they are the same as me, we are due to get ours at the Astley ainslie, it will maybe come through today

[goosano]

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Strange, I've just asked some of the guys I work with if they have had anything and they are the same as me, we are due to get ours at the Astley ainslie, it will maybe come through today

Heard yesterday all appts for second vaccine in the Royal cancelled this week. Reason is a supply problem. It is ruuning out and no more Pfizer vaccine for a month. So trying to give as many as possible one vaccine. Oxford vaccine also arriving soon.

[Sir David Gray]

WHO team of investigators denied entry to China.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55555466

[Ozyhibby]

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Heard yesterday all appts for second vaccine in the Royal cancelled this week. Reason is a supply problem. It is ruuning out and no more Pfizer vaccine for a month. So trying to give as many as possible one vaccine. Oxford vaccine also arriving soon.

Oxford Vaccine should have started on Monday?


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[goosano]

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Oxford Vaccine should have started on Monday?


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I can only speak for one site, don't know if being given elsewhere. Also public holiday in Scotland unlike England. This with all the stories in the press hardly inspires confidence that we will hit the 2 million a week.

[Coco Bryce]

Just been speaking to a supplier from down South that I use at work.

Told me his wife has just started work on a contract with English Track and Trace System.

A 3 year contract

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Today marks my last day of isolation. I haven’t cuddled my daughter since last Thursday. I’m bursting with excitement.

One thing this period has taught me is to never take anything for granted ever again that’s for sure.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Today marks my last day of isolation. I haven’t cuddled my daughter since last Thursday. I’m bursting with excitement.

One thing this period has taught me is to never take anything for granted ever again that’s for sure.

Hope you're feeling better PH, I'm sure your cuddle will be therapeutic.

[Jonnyboy]

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28th January at Lauriston. Most of my colleagues with 2nd Apts have had the same text. There is an internal email address if you have any questions, message me if you need it.

Was due my second jag on 20th Jan but have just received the following text

Following a change in government policy 2nd doses of covid 19 vaccine will now be given 12 weeks after the first instead of 4 weeks. Please do not attend for your 2nd dose appointment. You do not need to take any further action. NHS Lothian will contact you with arrangements for your new appointment.

[Keith_M]

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Today marks my last day of isolation. I haven’t cuddled my daughter since last Thursday. I’m bursting with excitement.

One thing this period has taught me is to never take anything for granted ever again that’s for sure.

Great news.


Enjoy your 'freedom'

[Stairway 2 7]

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Today marks my last day of isolation. I haven’t cuddled my daughter since last Thursday. I’m bursting with excitement.

One thing this period has taught me is to never take anything for granted ever again that’s for sure.

Brilliant enjoy your day

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...fizer-23269201

Also looks like Germany Holland Italy Belgium and more are going to delay the pfizer jag beyond 4 weeks

[Sir David Gray]

New variant will be "less easy to control through lockdown" and stopping the situation from getting any worse rather than seeing a drop in cases would be a good outcome according to Professor Mark Woolhouse.

Some scope for relaxing restrictions over the next few months but no-one should anticipate a full return to normality "for really quite some time."

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/new-cov...rough-lockdown

[Santa Cruz]

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Was due my second jag on 20th Jan but have just received the following text

Following a change in government policy 2nd doses of covid 19 vaccine will now be given 12 weeks after the first instead of 4 weeks. Please do not attend for your 2nd dose appointment. You do not need to take any further action. NHS Lothian will contact you with arrangements for your new appointment.

Two elderly members of the public on TV this morning in England received their 2nd jab. I read the BMA said 2nd doses should be administered. Is this at a health board's discretion?

There's nothing we can do if this is Gov policy going forward, I don't think it's ethical, denying someone a 2nd jab who has had there first and was advised at the time of the first vaccine they would receive their booster in 12 weeks.

[Pretty Boy]

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New variant will be "less easy to control through lockdown" and stopping the situation from getting any worse rather than seeing a drop in cases would be a good outcome according to Professor Mark Woolhouse.

Some scope for relaxing restrictions over the next few months but no-one should anticipate a full return to normality "for really quite some time."

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/new-cov...rough-lockdown

Reading that makes me think this summer should be about little more than getting as many people vaccinated as possible and sorting out the testing, tracing and isolating. The latter is what this summer should have been about though so I'm pessimistic.

I would argue the key thing is to make sure no one goes through any unnecessary hardship by having to isolate. As we hopefully move beyond the stage where millions of people are on furlough I would suggest a government scheme that sees anyone isolating guaranteed their full (or a figure of at least 75%) pay for the duration. I know there are various grants or whatever currently but a simplified system whereby if you log a positive test then you get paid. We are asking people to avoid working and other human contact for a sustained period for an illness that for many may be mild enough that they feel capable of working. There is of course a societal responsibility to do the right thing but equally society has a responsibility to ensure people are adequately looked after for doing so. Do that and people have no excuse fr failing to do what is asked of them.

If numbers get back to a manageable level in Europe again and the tracking and containment systems fail again then it becomes negligence. The first time was almost understandable as we were faced with something new and largely unexpected, the 2nd time was harder to explain, a 3rd is bordering on unforgivable.

[Santa Cruz]

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New variant will be "less easy to control through lockdown" and stopping the situation from getting any worse rather than seeing a drop in cases would be a good outcome according to Professor Mark Woolhouse.

Some scope for relaxing restrictions over the next few months but no-one should anticipate a full return to normality "for really quite some time."

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/new-cov...rough-lockdown

Nobody is explaining exactly how it is being transmitted much easier. Has anyone read anything that suggests it's more infectious outdoors now or 2m isn't sufficient distancing?

[Peevemor]

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Nobody is explaining exactly how it is being transmitted much easier. Has anyone read anything that suggests it's more infectious outdoors now or 2m isn't sufficient distancing?

If I understand correctly, the protein spikes (the pointy things we see sticking out on images of the virus) have mutated and are better at attacking and thus infecting our cells.

[danhibees1875]

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If I understand correctly, the protein spikes (the pointy things we see sticking out on images of the virus) have mutated and are better at attacking and thus infecting our cells.

I wasn't sure if that was only the reason they were worried about the vaccine not working on this strand, rather than the cause of greater transmission with this strand? It could be both though and explain the transmission part too.

[Santa Cruz]

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If I understand correctly, the protein spikes (the pointy things we see sticking out on images of the virus) have mutated and are better at attacking and thus infecting our cells.

Yeah I get that, but it was highly infectious as it was. I'm just not understanding how it's being transmitted more easily if people are using all the mitigations that were stopping people getting infected with the original strain. If that makes sense?

[Andy Bee]

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Nobody is explaining exactly how it is being transmitted much easier. Has anyone read anything that suggests it's more infectious outdoors now or 2m isn't sufficient distancing?

That's what gets me, if people are practicing social distancing, wearing masks and all the other measures then how can it be more infectious? It's been suggested that this strain has a bigger viral load so less is needed to cause the same harm as the old one but that would then suggest that everyone's still coming into contact with it but previously it wasn't enough to cause illness.